The Stolen Earth - S4 E12

pixelburp

Yeah, it's a shame people are fearing that RTD is going to press the great big reset button AGAIN, but given everything that has been laid down plot-wise, it's hard not to see why.

Oh and regarding the "regeneration" & peoples wondering whether it's real:

Tennant has already been spotted filming scenes for the Cybermen filled Christmas special; without a companion I might add. So we know he's staying on & we know that neither Rose nor Donna will be tagging along. So there's gonna be something "sci-fi" that explains the cliffhanger.

daithi_student

its being repeated like now on BBC3 if anyone wants to switch it on an listen out for donnas heartbeat/what dalek caan says!

The Master

Upon re-watching

Dalek Caan calls the Doctor "The Dark lord" "The Three-Fold Man"

He also says "Everlasting Death For the Most Faithful Companion"

The Tardis Maybe?

Before Rose Teleports to the Tardis she says on her phone "Control , lock on to the Tardis" Who is/are Control?

Dying for next weeks episode

daithi_student

There was defo at least a quiet echo of donnas heartbeat was it the second heart of a timelady who knows! but im kinda hoping not! i mean the doctor did say he would know if there were any other time lords and he's already missed the master! but she is defo "something new"... ohh cant wait for next sat!

Sleepy

Really looking forward to next week. Will be *very* disappointed if this is another reset episode though!

Doctor DooM

popebenny16 wrote: »

Just to add, think it's Rose who'll be getting killed, SJ is back in her show, so are the Torchwood lads, and it'll add a lot of emotion for it to be for real.

Or Mickey/Rickey.

And the Doctors hand may save the day, or the fact they're in a time bubble, thus regenerating as himself (which isn't a regeneration at all)

Didnt the daughter regenerate as herself?

Caan's reference about the three faced man saving the day. I think this will have something to do with the mangled regeneration.

AngryBadger

amen wrote: »

I don't remember a timelord regenerating in the tardis before so that could be fun. I think he will regenerate as himself as if you watch carefully I think only part of his skeleton shows so maybe not a full death

Didn't David Eccleston regenerate inside the tardis in "The parting of ways"?

The Master

AngryBadger wrote: »

Didn't David Eccleston regenerate inside the tardis in "The parting of ways"?

Is He Christopher's brother:p

Sleepy

Wonder if they'll use something to do with Jenny regenerating as herself to explain why the Doctor will regenerate to the same physical being?

The Master

I can easily see the Hand in the jar regenerating into a brand new David Tennant Doctor with a full set of regenerations thus giving Moffat a clean slate to begin with after the specials.

EDIT: The first season episode "Dalek" is set on earth in 2012 and nobodys heard of Daleks , so I feel a massive reset just around the corner

savemejebus

2 doctors eh. that'd be a bit farscape wouldn't it

Doctor DooM

savemejebus wrote: »

2 doctors eh. that'd be a bit farscape wouldn't it

Would be a bit the Two Doctors, really.

pixelburp

savemejebus wrote: »

2 doctors eh. that'd be a bit farscape wouldn't it

Yeah, precisely. The idea of having two completely identical versions of the same man has been done before & given Who has a proud history of snaffling other people's ideas, I wouldn't rule this theory out just yet.

Doctor DooM

pixelburp wrote: »

Yeah, precisely. The idea of having two completely identical versions of the same man has been done before & given Who has a proud history of snaffling other people's ideas, I wouldn't rule this theory out just yet.

Caan said it was a three faced man. Now the nerd in me wants this to be McGann, Eccleston and Tennant but the realist in me says something silly with the hand, tennant, and a potential "next" doctor.

The Master

SDooM wrote: »

Caan said it was a three faced man

Caan says: "He is coming! The three fold man! He dances in the lonely places, O creator of us all. The Doctor is coming!"


A quick glimpse of 8th regenerating into 9th would be cool beyond words

savemejebus

SDooM wrote: »

Would be a bit the Two Doctors, really.

sorry should have said two identical david tennant doctors

Doctor DooM

Robster The Lobster wrote: »

Caan says: "He is coming! The three fold man! He dances in the lonely places, O creator of us all. The Doctor is coming!"


A quick glimpse of 8th regenerating into 9th would be cool beyond words

It would and from what I hear McGann is very fond of Doctor Who to this day, but I doubt Eccleston would do it, and I doubt RTD would have the money to pay that many Doctors

savemejebus wrote: »

sorry should have said two identical david tennant doctors

Ah, sorry

ixoy

SDooM wrote: »

Caan said it was a three faced man. Now the nerd in me wants this to be McGann, Eccleston and Tennant but the realist in me says something silly with the hand, tennant, and a potential "next" doctor.

Second interpretation - the 3-faced man is probably something like past/present/future and tie in with the Medusca cascade being a second out of time. The past maybe being the previous 9th->10th regeneration and the energy used there. I'd like to think the future is back to the Valeyard but I bet it won't be...

AngryBadger

Robster The Lobster wrote: »

Is He Christopher's brother:p

GAAAHHHH!!! Still recovering from Saturday, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

Nevyn

AngryBadger

Not sure if this is in any way relevant (to anything in the universe!), but did anyone else notice that Dalek Khan was essentially a miniaturised version of the God of Daleks from "The parting of ways"? I mean literally identical in every way except that he was tiny?

Rev Hellfire

AngryBadger wrote: »

Not sure if this is in any way relevant (to anything in the universe!), but did anyone else notice that Dalek Khan was essentially a miniaturised version of the God of Daleks from "The parting of ways"? I mean literally identical in every way except that he was tiny?

Its almost like they where both daleks...

Must say despite my misgivings of yeah another dalek episode it wasn't half as bad as I thought it would be.

monkeyfudge

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Its almost like they where both daleks...

Well Kaleds anyway.

AngryBadger

*sigh*

Just look at the God of Daleks, and look at little Dalek Kahn, they are identical in every respect, and all Daleks are not identical (unless you're telling me they're all clones?).

ixoy

AngryBadger wrote: »

*sigh*

Just look at the God of Daleks, and look at little Dalek Kahn, they are identical in every respect, and all Daleks are not identical (unless you're telling me they're all clones?).

Well they kinda are - the Daleks themselves really started off as motorvised tanks to propel the Kaled race who became little blobs sitting inside the dalek casing. So inside the Dalek they all pretty much look the same (how Kaledist of me!)

tm2204

amen wrote: »

I don't remember a timelord regenerating in the tardis before so that could be fun. I think he will regenerate as himself as if you watch carefully I think only part of his skeleton shows so maybe not a full death

The master regenerated in the Doctors Tardis last year

BlitzKrieg

i am sticking by my theory


Its clear from this episode that Davros has been planning for The Doctor's arrival, and he steals the doctor's regeneration process using the crucible, trapping the doctor in a sort of limbo between life and death, the regeneration energy is then channelled through the crucible to Davros to regenerate him/or used to power some universe resetting weapon/create a dalek army using regeneration.

Urgo the Doctor is out of the game, the companions need to save him and one of them dies (please please let it be Rose)

Though the big gapping hole yet to be explained in this 2 parter is how and why Rose is back and how does it play with the whole end of the universe.

savemejebus

good theory blitzKrieg but how would davros know that the doctor would get shot.

BlitzKrieg

probably didnt, probably planned to capture the doctor and force him to regenerate or something, the opening of the next episode will explain all, if it starts with the daleks running around trying to activate the crucible then it makes sense.


Also it could also be the layout of the planets around the crucible, they could have some bizarre effect on timelord regeneration pulling it inside the crucible. (We do know that Sarah jane and micky etc are taken to the crucible and that is where the doctor is, but in what state we do not know.)

savemejebus

Maybe the crucible will make cause an evil twin doctor to be created

Wibbs

Mad theory alert. Donna is time lordess Romana(who left to stay in another universe IIRC so avoiding the dalek war thingy), with the fancy "you're not a timelord" pocket watch hiding out on earth, or she's the master, or he's hiding in her. Hence the drumbeat, the connection betwixt her and the doc.

BlitzKrieg

well other people seem to know alot more then me, I am only going by what I feel would be right by the way things are playing.

And what feels really right for me, is that Rose f*cks up somehow, that a huge chunk of this is somehow her fault (i dont like how its a good thing that she has torn down the walls of the universe to come back)



on a side note.

anyone think there is a subtle jab at the EU with the whole planets thing or am I seeing things?


27 planets stolen and joined together to form one evil empire?

Bard

Well if one of those 27 planets has a vote and decides not to agree with a new system of "streamlined" and "more efficient" government for the whole lot of them thus causing major political ructions ... possibly...

BlitzKrieg

obviously earth represents ireland

and the Doctor is declan ganley

Stark

And the Shadow Proclamation refers to the common EU defence policy.

Nevyn

Wibbs wrote: »

Mad theory alert. Donna is time lordess Romana(who left to stay in another universe IIRC so avoiding the dalek war thingy), with the fancy "you're not a timelord" pocket watch hiding out on earth,

:eek:

Damn it and damn you too going to hve that rattling around in my head for the rest of the evening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romana

or to use her proper title Time Lord Romanadvoratrelundar

Romana is initially haughty and somewhat arrogant, looking down on the Doctor (whom she considers to be her academic inferior; she obtained a triple first at the Academy, while the Doctor passed with only 51 percent, on his second attempt) and responding to his initial resentment at her presence with icy put-downs. However, she soon gains an appreciation for the Doctor's experience and sense of adventure, and begins to respect him as a teacher.

That certainly would explain Donna giving him abuse about not being very bright...

Wibbs wrote: »

or she's the master, or he's hiding in her.

Don't think she is the master

Wibbs wrote: »

Hence the drumbeat, the connection betwixt her and the doc.

Hard to tell if is the drums of Gallifrey or a heart beat, honestly it sounded more like the heart beat from the previous episode with she had that damn bug on her back.

Damn it going have to go have a listen to be sure.

BlitzKrieg

i like the romana theory...

Stark

Wouldn't Wilfred have noticed though if a strange woman showed up on his doorstep claiming to be his granddaughter?

BlitzKrieg

wibbly wobbly science

iguana

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

(i dont like how its a good thing that she has torn down the walls of the universe to come back)

But it's not considered to be a good thing. The doctor was pleased that he could see her again, but he was worried about the ramifications as she shouldn't be able to get back.

Nevyn

I checked it's not the drums it is the same heartbeat as when Donna had the bug on her.
Still it could be wilf has her watch...

monkeyfudge

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

i like the romana theory...

It's horrible.

I like Romana... I'd hate to think she was Dona.

entropi

Gonna keep this short enough, its the first Dr Who series i've looked at from start to finish (well next week is finish) but have been very very happy to watch it. That episode was real nice and kept my interest as i never knew who Torchwood or Davros were, barely knew anything about the other assistants and even the Dr, then again nobody knows much about him haha .

Also is it true that Robert Carlyle (sp?) is gonna take over from David Tennant, or just another rumour ?

Mahatma coat

I thought it was very good, could have done with being a bit slower paced tho, waaaaay too much stuff to take in first time round, then when you watch it again theres actualy very little happening in the story, I hope that next weeks episode can clarify things a bit.

I really liked the way Martha teleported home and Jack got his wrist device working

BuffyBot

It just came to me that in Confidental

Sylvester McCoy was dressed very much like his "Doctor"...

. Now, maybe I'm being paranoid lol

feylya

I thought that was a little bit weird too...

ixoy

I very much doubt Donna is Romana - it doesn't make that much sense really. Firstly how did she get out of E-Space (assuming we don't accept the books which had her as President of Gallifrey and thus vaporised by now)? Secondly where's K-9 Mark I? We could have multiple K-9s and it's awful to think they wouldn't do this. Also wouldn't anyone notice Romana's double heart beat (can be pretty sure she has two heart beats unlike the Doctor in his first incarnation).

I'm betting it's going to be some form of Reset that will be used and that the Doctor will be sidelined again in his own series.

Doctor DooM

I doubt Donna is a time Lord but I do think we're going to see her ""ascend" after sacrificing herself. The foreshadowing is way to heavy.

Anyone got a link to the Syl mcCoy thing mentioned?

popebenny16

AngryBadger wrote: »

*sigh*

Just look at the God of Daleks, and look at little Dalek Kahn, they are identical in every respect, and all Daleks are not identical (unless you're telling me they're all clones?).

It's a good theory, but the real reason is because they used the same puppet for cann as they used for the Emperor in RTD Season 1.

Thaedydal wrote: »

:eek:

Damn it and damn you too going to hve that rattling around in my head for the rest of the evening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romana

or to use her proper title Time Lord Romanadvoratrelundar



That certainly would explain Donna giving him abuse about not being very bright...




Don't think she is the master



Hard to tell if is the drums of Gallifrey or a heart beat, honestly it sounded more like the heart beat from the previous episode with she had that damn bug on her back.

Damn it going have to go have a listen to be sure.

I think Donna is just Donna myself, but she'll pull something out of the bag to save the day.

As for "the three faced one", well he has Rose, Jack and Donna on the go, maybe Caan disaproves of his Casanova lifestyle.

pixelburp

Romana is Donna, or Donna is Romana? Would ye g'way off with you! Nooo, I think the answer is far more obvious when you think about it. Remember those weird-ass particles that she was apparently ingesting way back in The Runaway Bride? Huon particles was it, some sort of timey-wimey particles that were a source of general argy-bargy? I am going to guess that they have had a bigger effect on her than the Doctor initially thought & this is somehow vital to the resolution.