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New VRT system shambles...
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Great thread,
Good to see the lads bicker as well as the girls.
Anyway
My tupence;
The concept of vehicle tax being administered solely on the price of petrol is sound. He who uses more, pays more.
The unfortunate reality is that this would break people.
Complete unfounded generalisation based on Dublin next;
The people who have been forced to live out in God-help-us locations around the pale who have to commute to various industrial estates around the city and offices in the city can barely afford to as it is.
They are not serviced by the public transport that they should be serviced by, and poor planning and sprawl has led to this.
The way I see it,
- the new VRT system, once established will incentivise people to buy less polluting and generally more efficient vehicles.
- a tax by-useage system 'only'; will hurt the least well off
- everyone else who's cribbing is doing so out of self-interest
of course the system is somewhat inequitable, but that's life
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Well maybe a full stop or two wouldn't have gone astray. Thanks for that though...real class...
I guess that old joke about Porsches and porcupines can be appended to include drivers of M3s (that's me giving back the high moral ground. You can keep it:P)
well when replying to a gentleman like you one has to tailor ones retorts to suit the situation
rather be a ,<SNIP> in an m3 (you should have just came out with it) than stuck in a rattley diesel legacy just to avail of low road tax
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Well Im amazed at the constant use of the word pollution in this thread.Im sure it has been debated to death elsewhere but Id just like to chip in (as a Chemistry graduate ...)CO2 is NOT pollution.The whole concept of human CO2 causing Global Warming (note capitals as this is the new religion for the 21st century) is utterly spurious ....If they were that serious about it theyd ban sports if not any physical activity that caused you to breathe faster thus producing more CO2!And what about water vapour !!!???Every first year secondary school student knows it is colder on a clear night because the clouds keep in the heat ....so why not kick up such a stink about H2O -because everybody knows what that is but CO2 ....?...mmmm...and then they talk about Carbon (Footprints/Taxes etc)to confuse Joe Public even more .
All this stuff would be funny if it didnt impact on people in the real world's lives...Im terrified that they will introduce 100% of all motor tax on fuel or God forbid pay per mile (km) systems as are being mooted in the UK .I drive about 120km a day and it would be unthinkable to have to pay anything like some of the figures being thrown around .....In Britain they have suggested a pound a mile as not being out of the question ....Even a Euro a mile would be horrendous ...
Its sad to see all of this unfolding before our very eyes ...Is there anything can be done about it -before driving becomes the preserve of the wealthy only ...Hardly 10 years ago many young, average people would have been lucky to have their first car by the time they reached 30 -thats certainly changed but with the downturn in the economy and anti car policies (toll bridge fee gone up 50% overnight unless you 'invest' in an electronic tag -petrol going through the roof etc etc )its likely that the number of under 20s driving around will plummet .Certainly the number of young guys (n girls) in the likes of Starlet Turbos etc will drop dramatically and we will see a return to the pathetic modded Micras scene ...Having sucked the pleasure out of motoring with Penalty Points,Traffic Corps,NCT etc etc they now want to deny us cars completely...
totally agree with you on the whole co2, pollution global warming etc
but most people swallow it, so the govt will tax it 0 -
As a weekend user of a high-emissions car, you're not the target, just an innocent bystander, but they're not going to change the rules to suit the small minority of weekend drivers when they're trying to change the buying habits of an entire country.
Classic car owners seem to have the rules changed to suit them, so there is a precident.
And for the holier than though posters on here, who bought a new car based on the emissions, how long do you really think that these bands and prices are going to last?
The tax take is gone into the toilet - taxing a small % of the cars on the road 2k is going to bring in no money - It's the bread and butter drivers who are going to get it up the wazoo, so enjoy the low road tax while you can!
I'm sure the people paying 2k a year who are getting no sympathy now, will be very understanding of the plight of these owners then
The bands - they will be a-changing - in the interests of the environment of course...0 -
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Classic car owners seem to have the rules changed to suit them, so there is a precident.
The rules weren't changed for classics or commercials afaik. Importing of classic cars into the state is a pretty niche concern, and the government went for the easy win.
The fact that they concentrated on CO2 rather than Nox, that they haven't bothered to make DPFs compulsory, that there's no momentum to make ESP compulsory on new cars and that there's no complexity in the legislation to cater for the low mileage, high-polluter instances demonstrates this.
If they want to get rid of the classics that aren't really classics (i.e. older cars), they can do another scrappage scheme. That was very effective.
Again, they're trying to affect the buying habits of the entire country. Classic cars and weekend performance drivers are small fish compared to the goal of getting the mass populace out of SUVs.And for the holier than though posters on here, who bought a new car based on the emissions, how long do you really think that these bands and prices are going to last?
The tax take is gone into the toilet - taxing a small % of the cars on the road 2k is going to bring in no money - It's the bread and butter drivers who are going to get it up the wazoo, so enjoy the low road tax while you can!
I'm sure the people paying 2k a year who are getting no sympathy now, will be very understanding of the plight of these owners then
The bands - they will be a-changing - in the interests of the environment of course...
I'll absolutely guarantee that either the bands will be squeezed down or the VRT percentages squeezed up over the next few years - as manufacturers decrease the CO2 emissions (the new A6 has 15% lower emissions over the current model).
I'd also expect the tax on fuel to go up.
I don't see them closing the gap between the A and G bands, the strategy has proven too effective to scrap. You'll see €100 turn into €125 and then €150, but I'd also expect €2,000 to creep up too...0 -
well when replying to a gentleman like you one has to tailor ones retorts to suit the situation
rather be a <SNIP> in an m3 (you should have just came out with it) than stuck in a rattley diesel legacy just to avail of low road tax
I think you're a <SNIP>
You think I'm a <SNIP>.
Whatever...things have gotten a bit juvenile here today. Time to move on...0 -
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