Garda receives 100 stitches after pitbull attack..

Dave Joyce

Just a quick update, there was 4grands worth of heroin seized in the raid and a file's been sent to the DPP in relation to 3 of the people who were in the house. Apparently, the house has been well known for this kind of activity for a long time with people coming and going all hours of the day and night. The dogs in question have also been reported for endless problems from a number of people in the area but nothing was ever done.

Of course, needless to remark one of the local free RAGS in its "INDOinion" asked 3 random people "Should pit bulls be banned?", just to keep upping the ante. 2 reasonable replies and obviously one dip sheet remark.

LegacyUser

whitser wrote: »

the dog done nothing wrong imo,he was protecting his master from intruders who were agressivly invading his house. pit bull or not doesnt make any difference the dog was doing its pack duty and protecting his master.

No dog should attack anyone regardless - and I have dogs myself. That guard was doing his job.

If my dogs attacked someone I would be blaming myself for not training them correctly. My aunt had a dog once and she let it run amuk - no training - nothing and it got very nippy with the neighbours. Very aggressive dog and she was not able to handle it. Have to say it was her fault for expecting the dog to know what acceptable behaviour was!

Pit Bulls are big strong dogs! The dog in that house could easily have been a cocker spaniel, but that kind of a dog would be easier to pull off a person and ultimately becuase of that it woud cause less damage. Doesn't matter what dog you have, if you don't train it and teach it how to react in different situations then it may very well attack. I see it with our own - one of ours was barking at someone the other day becuase they were exercising (doing handstands) in a public area! All because the dog didn't know what the person was doing. We brought the dog over and asked the guy if he would mind giving her a pet. He did. So maybe next time she won't make strange at men doing cart wheels!


It is up to us all as good dog owners to ensure that our pets are clear on that - especially those who own larger/stronger breeds.
Someone raiding your house, a child taking your bone away or a baby pulling your ear is not a reason to bite or maul causing those kind of injuries.

I hope the garda recovers from his injuries.

BlackCat2008

bubby wrote: »

No dog should attack anyone regardless - and I have dogs myself. That guard was doing his job.

If my dogs attacked someone I would be blaming myself for not training them correctly. My aunt had a dog once and she let it run amuk - no training - nothing and it got very nippy with the neighbours. Very aggressive dog and she was not able to handle it. Have to say it was her fault for expecting the dog to know what acceptable behaviour was!

Pit Bulls are big strong dogs! The dog in that house could easily have been a cocker spaniel, but that kind of a dog would be easier to pull off a person and ultimately becuase of that it woud cause less damage. Doesn't matter what dog you have, if you don't train it and teach it how to react in different situations then it may very well attack. I see it with our own - one of ours was barking at someone the other day becuase they were exercising (doing handstands) in a public area! All because the dog didn't know what the person was doing. We brought the dog over and asked the guy if he would mind giving her a pet. He did. So maybe next time she won't make strange at men doing cart wheels!


It is up to us all as good dog owners to ensure that our pets are clear on that - especially those who own larger/stronger breeds.
Someone raiding your house, a child taking your bone away or a baby pulling your ear is not a reason to bite or maul causing those kind of injuries.

I hope the garda recovers from his injuries.

Well put bubby. Hears to hoping people take what you have said and put it into pratice.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Bubby,

The argument being made re. the dog in Galway is that the dog didn't know that was a guard carrying out his duty to the community. As far as the dog was concerned there was an intruder on his territory, and he reacted on instinct. And I honestly don't know a dog which wouldn't do like wise.

If this was a dog who'd protected his owner's (you or me, and not criminals) from personal danger by attacking an intruder I feel you'd join us all in celebrating the dogs bravery.

But your opinion is tainted by the fact that these weren't up standing member's of the community protected by their pet - but were in fact criminals and the injuried party was a cop doing his duty.

You and I can work that one out, but a dogs comprehension levels aren't comparible with ours.

smurf32

I have 2 staffs and 3 kids im always telling my kids not to trust other dogs like they do our own!,when in public i always muzzel my dogs (always).
I take great care with my dogs as in socialising but if somebody breaks into my house tonight they are on their own because i'll not stop my dogs
that was the cops fault - obviously he knew nothing about the dogs that were in that house and what the dogs were like maybe the next time he will do some more research b4 he jumps in head first
I wonder will he transfer to the K-9 unit!!!!!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Just one of the dogs on the restricted breeds list, and which the majority of the ignorant call 'Pitbulls' is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier (the Staffie or Staff).

Here's THE NANNY DOG

Yet in public owner's of these wonderful dogs must have the dog muzzled, on a short leash and in the care and control of someone over 16yrs of age - and all through sheer and utter ignorance.

mymo

Alan ford the second pic you put up was an english bull terrier not english pitbull. They are fantastic pets, no more aggressive than any breed, useless as a guard dog, but due to looks have been lumped in with so called dangerous breeds. I believe they were a cross breed origonally and always white but later staff added to breed resulted in colours. They were used to kill rats and other vermin. Had a good friend bred them for years in UK but stopped when found too many young guys looking for scarey dog. I'm sorry if it's a little off topic.

arybvtcw0eolkf

kerrysgold wrote: »

Mairt, you're staffie is a beaut, I've never seen one with pricked ears before, he's very unusual. Can't believe the poor little guy was going to be pts! a little pup!.

Thanks, yes his ear's are usual for a staff which leads alot of people to think he may be crossed with an English Bull Terrier.

kerrysgold wrote: »

Discostuy, I know what you mean, pretty much all the (loose) dogs on my road are vicious, the most aggressive one is a Labrador, imagine if a hate campaign to ban Labs was started because of that aggressive one, it'd be laughed at! People are just so ignorant and can't look after their dogs properly. It all depends on the owner.

Funny that, we've a Lab on our road which is extremly aggressive. Its both jealous of other dogs, plus food and toy aggressive. Its also let to roam loose on the road - crazy.

kerrysgold

yeah this guy has gone for both me and my fella, there is a lovely lab up the road though luckily since he is allowed to roam around as well :rolleyes: followed me all the way home one day and I had to walk him all the way back, Velcro dog! lol.

The owners of the first lab are idiot farmers, he was out on his ride on lawnmower when all 5 of the dog were running around the middle of the road and didn't even make an attempt to call them in O.O

The Artist

Mairt wrote: »

No, he's not a Pitbull, he's a Staff.

Hi mairt sorry fo going off topic here.
your dog as im puzzled to say this.
youre saying your dog is a staffy as i dont want to make a debate about your dog imo is not a staffy.
It seems to me as i checked the web pics and its seems to be a pitbull?

this is a pit bull


As your dogs ears are pricked up its very simmilar to this pic.
A staffordshire or staffy should look like this.
NicknamesStaffy, Staff, SBT, Stafford, Staffy Bull,
As their heads are much broader and height is 14-16 at shoulder.

As i breed staffordshires,but in my opinion that your dog may not be a staffy.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Alan I've often thought the same.

kerrysgold

he does look more athletic than a staffie, the staffie my friend had was quite short and pudgy lol. but then there's debate as to whether a pit bull is actually a breed or just a type..... confusing!

shinners007

i personally wouldnt know the difference between a staffie & a pitbull but Mairt your guy is absolutely gorgeous!!!

It is a pity these breeds are stigmatised as being dangerous espically for all those responsible owners out their that own such breeds.

MooseJam

fighting dogs are just dangerous, there's no need for them at all, the only people who keep them are those who want to look well hard with their tough dog, all of them should be made illegal and put down - pit bull terrior, rottweiler, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Akita etc etc

arybvtcw0eolkf

MooseJam wrote: »

fighting dogs are just dangerous, there's no need for them at all, the only people who keep them are those who want to look well hard with their tough dog, all of them should be made illegal and put down - pit bull terrior, rottweiler, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Akita etc etc

I don't normally lower myself, but for you I'll make an exception and answer you....

I question your worth to this forum.

And I'll leave it at that.

kerrysgold

MooseJam wrote: »

fighting dogs are just dangerous, there's no need for them at all, the only people who keep them are those who want to look well hard with their tough dog, all of them should be made illegal and put down - pit bull terrior, rottweiler, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Akita etc etc

Do you really think that or are you just being a troll?
If it's the first one, then you obviously know nothing about dogs and/or have never met one of those breeds. for starters, staffie and dangerous don't go together, unless you are allergic to being licked or happen to be a shoe or something.

The Artist

MooseJam wrote: »

fighting dogs are just dangerous, there's no need for them at all, the only people who keep them are those who want to look well hard with their tough dog, all of them should be made illegal and put down - pit bull terrior, rottweiler, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Akita etc etc

Are ye having a laugh?
look up on what breeds are fighting dogs!
I rest my case:)

alfaspud

Question for the Artist, is my dog a staffy??



I've owned her for 10 years now, rescued as a pup from a local animal shelter.

(She lost half her eye-lid last year when she developed a tumour over her eye, she wasn't fighting!!)

The Artist

its not a pure staffy but its still a terrier class.
the body is a staffy but not the head build.

kerrysgold

Aw, she is a cutie, love her little white toes. I think maybe staffie x JRT? I think her face looks JRT-ish.

the_syco

Mairt wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhgbqlqlqlid/rss2/

As only the Gardai were attacked, and not the dog warden, is it possible that the pitbulls were trained to attack Gardai?

arybvtcw0eolkf

the_syco wrote: »

As only the Gardai were attacked, and not the dog warden, is it possible that the pitbulls were trained to attack Gardai?

Yup, its probably been taught to count to ten and spell small words too!

Eh, No. Its highly unlightly that either the poor dog or its owner's were in possession of that level of intelligence.

alfaspud

The Artist wrote: »

its not a pure staffy but its still a terrier class.
the body is a staffy but not the head build.

Thx! I met an ozzie bloke out walking with her one day and he reckons she looks like an 'australian staffie', he said "they don't have big fat heads like the english ones."

When she yawns or pants you can see the big cheek muscles in her mouth, I don't think there's any Jack Russell in her! LOL

padi89

MooseJam wrote: »

fighting dogs are just dangerous, there's no need for them at all, the only people who keep them are those who want to look well hard with their tough dog, all of them should be made illegal and put down - pit bull terrior, rottweiler, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Akita etc etc

At least do a bit of research before you come in with a statement like that.:rolleyes:

BlackCat2008

Putting these dogs to sleep won't solve the problem along with the fighting comes the drugs and gambling They'll just pick on some poor other creator to get thier kicks.

kerrysgold

the_syco wrote: »

As only the Gardai were attacked, and not the dog warden, is it possible that the pitbulls were trained to attack Gardai?

Agree with Mairt, doubt the thugs that owned them had enough brain cells between em to train a dog to sit never mind anything else! I'd say they were just encouraged to be vicious/attack "intruders" in general.
and as for the dog warden, when they say pts, that could mean shot, not necessarily an injection. I think when that small girl was killed in the UK before the dogs were just shot because they couldn't get near them, so maybe that would be why the dog warden wasn't harmed, because he didn't actually come in to contact with them, who knows. that just what I thought anyway.

strawberryfield

I know this sounds ridiculously classist and I guess it totally is....but.....anyways.:rolleyes:

A minority of owners of generically vicious dogs such as alsations, pitbulls and bulldogs seem to be from disadvantaged areas. Ya, its not a newsflash but it is important to keep in mind. Its the whole question of nuture versus nature. Dogs which are not treated as pets and kept by owners in areas where is a higher occurence of violence, assault, domestic abuse, drug use, etc. will hardly turn out to be big softies. Unfortunately the same point can be made for some children from these backgrounds.

These dogs are not treated as pets and the whole process of domestication is reversed. These dogs become violent and more territorial when introduced to new situations becuase they never really experience new surroundings, scents, voices, etc. Like say if you lived in a garden for your entire life and didn't have much else than that blanket in the corner and your food bowel, you'd really love that garden and all that was in it.

Then because these particular dogs are larger, have more muscle mass and better survial mechanisms than other dogs they become the scapegoat. NO, thats just messed up. They're just stronger and more athletic. That does not mean more vicious. I'd have to say smaller dogs, like terriers, are way more inclined to be aggressive than these dogs if they were kept in similar environment.

I've worked in SPCA's and vets and what I've learnt is that you cannot blame the dogs. Stricter controls need to be placed on the ownership of these animals, a 'cull policy' is a ridiculously close minded suggestion and will only be a short term fix. Another dog such as the st bernard, lab or just plain old mongrel will take their place and the cycle will continue.

So, there ya go....that's my heated 2 cents.

KhuntChops

I think that dog picture is more an English Bull Terrier cross,same build as a EBT and the ears and the head shape looks a to flat for a SBT

andreac

MooseJam wrote: »

fighting dogs are just dangerous, there's no need for them at all, the only people who keep them are those who want to look well hard with their tough dog, all of them should be made illegal and put down - pit bull terrior, rottweiler, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Akita etc etc

Have you not got a clue about anything? The rottweiler is not a fighting dog, it was actually bred as a herding dog for Cattle!!!
I own a rottie who i show too, and he is the most placid, friendly dog out there, is brilliant with other dogs, people and children, they are actually known to be good with kids, if read up on the breed standard of them it will tell you so.
My fella wags his tail when people come to the house and is yet to bark at anyone near the house. So before you making stupid statements like that, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!
When i walk my fella its other dogs who bark and growl at him and he just wonders why he cant be friends with them.

andreac

MooseJam wrote: »

fighting dogs are just dangerous, there's no need for them at all, the only people who keep them are those who want to look well hard with their tough dog, all of them should be made illegal and put down - pit bull terrior, rottweiler, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Akita etc etc

Just wanted to add, im no drug dealer or scumbag, im a 28 year old girl who has a love for rotties, i work hard and enjoy my dog so much, we do so much together, showing, flyball, training classes, so please, dont tar all bull breed owners with the one brush. If you came to any dog show you would see that none of any of the owners of those breeds are anywhere near scumbags, or want to look hard.