kbannon as learning to drive mod

justsomebloke

6th wrote: »

I haz survaylenz of fitnez nodz eatin' cheezeburgrz! banz themz!

orly!!! I didn't think g'em or dragan had cheeze on their burgers just extra burger. hmmmmmmm interesting

seamus

geuro wrote: »

+1

I am disappointed that the feedback forum on Boards is such a members club. What's the point in having a feedback forum if feedback is not taken seriously? It is clear that the moderator in question has the support of other mods regardless of what he said.

Please come back when you actually wish to engage in debate.

Claiming oppression or "members club" just demonstrates how you lack any sort of cogent argument.

Duckjob

KBannon is an excellent mod and his posts are refreshingly honest in the sea of dronely high-horse, self-righteous, I've-no-friends-in-real-life-and-this-is-why keyboard warrior twaddle that plagues the motoring forum on a daily basis.

Faith

I think Kbannon would have been wise to keep that information to himself (I wouldn't post about how I used to regularly fail to cook chicken properly and am just lucky no-one died from salmonella*), but I don't think it impacts on his moderating abilities. I'd hope that he's not posting the same kind of thing on the learning to drive forum though!

*This isn't true, I always cook chicken properly.

Mountjoy Mugger

I fuppin love the self righteous indignation of some here.

Great laugh on a slow Thursday.

g'em

jsb wrote: »

orly!!! I didn't think g'em or dragan had cheeze on their burgers just extra burger. hmmmmmmm interesting

(2 x burger patties + cheese + guacamole) - buns = nyom.

As for you and your superior survaylance skillz 6th, damn you to hell. It had been a long day and I needed comfort.


*cries*


*orders more burgers*

justsomebloke

g'em wrote: »

(2 x burger patties + cheese + guacamole) - buns = nyom.

sorry I forgot the sexy burgers have the cheese on the inside

Dudess

Little boy-racer dickheads who barely touch the road even in busy residential neighbourhoods are the scum of the earth, kbannon is not on a par with them but is being treated as such.

javaboy

Burn him at the stake! If he dies in the fire we'll know he was a good and honourable man but if he resurrects himself then he's definitely a witch.

/fetches kindling

The Hill Billy

FuzzyLogic wrote: »

If he had any class, he'd just hang up his moderating boots.
You simply do not post about the forums about how you regularly speed and how you used to get polluted and drink drive all the time if you moderate the motors forum!

For everybody that posts in a thread, 10 people read it.
He set a poor example, and there are a lot of people know know people who have died due to drunk drivers. I'm sure that if any of the site admins or super mod team had lost a loved one to a drunk driver, that he would be immediately banned. I understand the mod soladarity thing, but there is a time and place for that and its not here.

Out of respect/shame/whatever I do think that kbannon should resign as moderator of motoring, or at least learning to drive. Speed and drinking are the two biggest killers on the roads. He has admitted to frequently doing both in past and present tenses. Regardless of anything else, it sets a bad example.

Perhaps I'm being overly harsh here, I'm sure people will let me know if I am anyways. But this is something I feel strongly about.

Using your logic - I demand that Smashey give up his role as a Fitness Mod. I'm sure that he's posted in BG&RH about lolling around on his arse eating bacon sambos & drinking pints.

Mods are not necessarily experts in the subjects of the forums they moderate. And they should not be expected to be either. (Eg, Thaedydal modding Beer Guts & Receding Hairlines.) They "moderate" what goes on in the forums, keeping the peace & all that. If they have an opinion on a topic within that forum it should have the same value as any other poster to that forum.

JSB - Really should have hit the Report Post button instead of dragging it through here.

javaboy

I heard that if you say kbannon three times in front of a mirror he'll appear behind you! :eek:

And if you walk backwards around Christchurch he'll come up out of the ground and take you down to hell!

justsomebloke

Hill Billy wrote: »

JSB - Really should have hit the Report Post button instead of dragging it through here.

but my query wasn't to do with the post so the report button wouldn't of been the correct action to take

Seth Brundle

javaboy wrote: »

I heard that if you say kbannon three times in front of a mirror he'll appear behind you! :eek:

And if you walk backwards around Christchurch he'll come up out of the ground and take you down to hell!

Its true!

Seth Brundle

jsb wrote: »

but my query wasn't to do with the post so the report button wouldn't of been the correct action to take

Thats fine and I respect your right to do so. Out of curiosity, did you report DesF's posts, given that you are a good boardsie?

Terry

6th wrote: »

Man you talk some sh1t! How many examples of mods bashing other mods in feedback would you like? I can bring you a cup of tea and a STFU sandwich too if you like?

STFU.

Hey, kids. I'm the mod of the Giving Up Smoking forum.
I smoke 40 a day and have smoked for 21 years. That's almost two thirds of my life.

Now I wouldn't normally stick up for a far-ender, but in this case I will.

KBannon was guilty of drink driving in the past. He has admitted that it was a mistake. He no longer does it.
20 years ago, the majority of car owning pub goers drove home. The law generally turned a blind eye to it.

I too have driven under the influence.
I killed a couple of pigeons, but I would have hit them anyway. They flew into me. The deal with the pigeons is off.
I was lucky that it was only pigeons that I hit.
I was an idiot and have not driven in six years as punishment to myself. I don't feel that I deserve to drive until I am sure that I won't make the same mistake again.

As for the speeding thing, I only did it once on the M4 between Leixlip and maynooth. I wanted to see how fast my car could go (99MPH). Only time I ever broke the speed limit, but I still did it.


Anyone here who has never broken the speed limit and is baying for blood should just back out of this thread (at a reasonable speed).

justsomebloke

kbannon wrote: »

Thats fine and I respect your right to do so. Out of curiosity, did you report DesF's posts, given that you are a good boardsie?

I didn't report Desf's posts, but I didn't report yours either

justsomebloke

actually I think it is quite ironic that the people on this thread complaining about a mob mentalitiy are generally the ones showing mob like characteristics.*


*this has nothing to do with the people actually debating the topic just the ones saying there is a mob after kbannon

John Mason

Anti wrote: »

Can you honestly say you have never speeded in yoru life? Not even when late for work or in a rush to get somewhere. The reason i ask is, you would be the first person in the world ever. Get over yourself, and drop that holier then thou attitude.

i dont speed - full stop

i have seen the damage it has done

i am never late, i am one of those people who turn up an hour before they are supposed to be there. sorry

Dudess

The "damage" caused by doing 65mph on a 60mph quiet dual carriageway is it? Because that's speeding too...

Please don't compare someone who does the above with an irresponsible fukwit who does 100mph on a main road.

faceman

Im not a mod and never have been so im not part of the [fight da poweh]mods supporting other mods in feedback posse[/fight da poweh]

its been said already, kbannon in my eyes is a good mod and has his hands full in the motors forum with the volume of traffic.

I think someone regardless of their stature on boards pointing out that the error of the ways is brave and he is afterall, not advocated drinking and driving.

His comment re speeding, well actually he is not alone with his view. Some of our judges in court agree with him. There was a court case about a year ago where a man was charged with dangerous driving as he was going something like 120/140mph on a dual carriageway. He was let away scot free. I dont have the transcript of the case no more but it went something like this.

Judge: Why is mr x charged with dangerous driving?
Garda: He was doing 120mph in a 60mph zone.
Judge: Was driving in traffic?
Garda: No, it was ealry morning
Judge: was there oncoming traffic?
Garda: No
Judge: Was he zigzagging on the road or driving irratically?
Garda: No judge
Judge: Then why is he being charged with dangerous driving?
Garda: Ehhhhh cos he was doing 120 in a 60 zone.
Judge: Why didnt you charge him for speeding so?
Garda: ehhhhhhhhh

It was thrown out of court.

Stark

jsb wrote: »

So should someone who admits that he use to drink and drive and still admits to breaking the law be a Mod of Learning to Drive.

Considering half the posts in there are about taking down your L-plates and driving around unaccompanied, he's in good company in that respect. As for the drinking thing, it was a different Ireland 20 years ago. My parents' generation would regularly drive home from the pub after 4 or 5 pints (effectively the legal limit at the time), yet today they would tell me I should never drive even after half a pint. Society changes and people change.

justsomebloke

Dudess wrote: »

Please don't compare someone who does the above with an irresponsible fukwit who does 100mph on a main road.

kbannon says I can drive at X speed and as I am a good enough driver I can maintain control of the car and as such it is still safe even though I am technically speeding.

Fukwit on learning to drive forum thinks well I'm a good driver aswell sure if kbannon can says it's cool once I know my limits it will be grand, sure he is the mod of the forum and knows what he is talking about.

Duckjob

Dudess wrote: »

The "damage" caused by doing 65mph on a 60mph quiet dual carriageway is it? Because that's speeding too...

Please don't compare someone who does the above with an irresponsible fukwit who does 100mph on a main road.

Ah come on now Dudess. Surely you don't want people to actually use their brains and common sense when it comes to road safety.

Better to just keep chanting the mantras. That'll sort things out. It hasn't worked so far, but sure it will one day.

Stark

"Speed kills" is a great mantra. You can use it for both drugs and road safety scaremongering! :O

Savman

Ok I've no allegiance to either side but from an outsider just stumbling upon this thread, let me see if I can summarize. A motors/learning to drive forum mod has admitted he drove drunk in the past (and regrets it knowing the consequences) and also that he drives over the speed limit but is willing to argue the process of speed limits in general, is that about it?

My 2c, I'd rather listen to someone with life experience than those who just believe everything they hear on the sensationalist propaganda machine that is RTE, the tabloids etc etc.

On that note, I have no objection to the guy at all. Always seemed to be of relatively sound mind in any posts I've read.

It's only t'internet people, try not to focus all your road rage on a forum looker-afterererer.

Dudess

"Speed kills". Right so, I'd better not let my car go up to 63mph on a quiet dual carriageway because it would make me a killer.
Seriously, common sense and logic, they're great you know...

nkay1985

Stark wrote: »

As for the drinking thing, it was a different Ireland 20 years ago. My parents' generation would regularly drive home from the pub after 4 or 5 pints (effectively the legal limit at the time), yet today they would tell me I should never drive even after half a pint. Society changes and people change.

Sorry for singling your post out now but it's indicitive of a load of posts in this, and the other, thread.

I cannot stand this "defense". Just because it was the done thing - and btw I think people exaggerate just how many people actually did it - does not make it acceptable. In any way, shape or form. Full stop.

It was against the law then and is now. Someone with 5 pints in them then was likely to kill someone, as is someone with 5 pints in them now. People will say "but there's way more cars now". This does increase the risk, but it was as wrong to do so then as it is now. No difference. So can people please stop dragging up this ridiculous argument.

Ron DMC

Stark wrote: »

"Speed kills" is a great mantra. You can use it for both drugs and road safety scaremongering! :O

Adds to sig.

Savman

nkay1985 wrote: »

It was against the law then and is now. Someone with 5 points in them then was likely to kill someone, as is someone with 5 points in them now.

People actually drink penalty points now? :eek:
In that case, have you any Gay on tap?

Tar.Aldarion

Should he be demodded no, thread over.


Aside:
Should he break the law, no. I know a lot of people break the speed limits here when they think it is fine and it looks to be. Have you ever been overtaken by somebody speeding and then see that they crashed further up the road, or seen somebody going by you speeding and hear that they died on the radio?
I don't care if they kill themselves, it's the other people that die because of it that I am not au fait with. It is not an incredible outrage to be doing a bit over the limit but you have less of a response time and it only takes once for either you or another driver to make a mistake.

Duckjob

nkay1985 wrote:

It was against the law then and is now. Someone with 5 points in them then was likely to kill someone, as is someone with 5 points in them now.

Savman wrote: »

People actually drink penalty points now? :eek:
In that case, have you any Gay on tap?

Or how about being given PINTS at the roadside for speeding.

WindSock

Speeding on windey country roads and through built up areas and housing estates = no.
Speeding on empty motorways and dual carriages = fair game, as far as I'm concerned. Only as a danger to yourself though.
No point in comparing our roads to the autobahn but people manage to get through it in Germany every day without getting killed.

Savman

Duckjob wrote: »

Or how about being given PINTS at the roadside for speeding.

ROFL! :D

nkay1985

Savman wrote: »

People actually drink penalty points now? :eek:
In that case, have you any Gay on tap?

That's mature. In my haste to rebuff a ridiculous argument I guess I got a little worked up and wasn't concentrating on my immaculate typing skills like yourself.

EDIT:

Duckjob wrote: »

Or how about being given PINTS at the roadside for speeding.

Grow up FFS.

~Rebel~

javaboy wrote: »

So the mod of the learning to drive forum admits that he used to drink and drive. He says it was stupid and dangerous and it was only by luck that he wasn't killed. He is now in a very good position to pass on what he has learned from his mistake to others.

As for the speeding thing, a huge amount of drivers in this country break the speed limits on the better roads such as dual carriageways and motorways. In many cases the limits are too low and should be adjusted. I doubt kbannon is advocating driving recklessly or dangerously. Anyone who has seen my posts on the motors forum will know that I am pretty much anti-speeding but there is a difference between a person who speeds recklessly and dangerously and a person who exceeds a speed limit which they reasonable consider to be too low.

If kbannon was still drink driving, there'd be a problem but he's not. If he was encouraging all learner drivers to speed outside schools and what not, there'd be a problem but he's not.

I don't agree with his position on speeding but it's not unreasonable and doesn't detract from his abilities to moderate the forum.


Also... rabble.

Dudess wrote: »

"Speed kills". Right so, I'd better not let my car go up to 63mph on a quiet dual carriageway because it would make me a killer.
Seriously, common sense and logic, they're great you know...

He was talking of regularly doing speeds of 150kph. Doesn't matter how good the conditions are, 'IF' something happens, you're fuked and are very likely to take others with you.

Terry

Tara Le d'Arion wrote: »

Should he be demodded no, thread over.

Should he be demodded? No. Thread over!

Tara, mod of Spell Czechs.

Terry, thrown out of school 17 years ago at the age of 15.

Dudess

Reminds me of Lionel Hutz changing his business card from "First consultation free. No money down." to "First consultation free? No! Money down!"

I'm not defending anyone who does 150kph but what's getting to me is the way there are self appointed moral guardians getting up on their high horses about slight increases in speed on the dual carriageway/motorway.

Terry

Dudess wrote: »

Reminds me of Lionel Hutz changing his business card from "First consultation free. No money down." to "First consultation free? No! Money down!"

I'm not defending anyone who does 150kph but what's getting to me is the way there are self appointed moral guardians getting up on their high horses about slight increases in speed on the dual carriageway/motorway.

Listen, use one system and stick to it.
You're starting to confuse me.

Tar.Aldarion

Terry wrote: »

Should he be demodded? No. Thread over!

Tara, mod of Spell Czechs.

Terry, thrown out of school 17 years ago at the age of 15.

Partial sentences are not allowed in this here thread begarra!

Anti

irishbird wrote: »

i dont speed - full stop

i have seen the damage it has done

i am never late, i am one of those people who turn up an hour before they are supposed to be there. sorry

Congrats 2 u

garthv

FuzzyLogic wrote: »

If he had any class, he'd just hang up his moderating boots.
You simply do not post about the forums about how you regularly speed and how you used to get polluted and drink drive all the time if you moderate the motors forum!

For everybody that posts in a thread, 10 people read it.
He set a poor example, and there are a lot of people know know people who have died due to drunk drivers. I'm sure that if any of the site admins or super mod team had lost a loved one to a drunk driver, that he would be immediately banned. I understand the mod soladarity thing, but there is a time and place for that and its not here.

Out of respect/shame/whatever I do think that kbannon should resign as moderator of motoring, or at least learning to drive. Speed and drinking are the two biggest killers on the roads. He has admitted to frequently doing both in past and present tenses. Regardless of anything else, it sets a bad example.

Perhaps I'm being overly harsh here, I'm sure people will let me know if I am anyways. But this is something I feel strongly about.

Hear Hear.

Steve

~Rebel~ wrote: »

He was talking of regularly doing speeds of 150kph. Doesn't matter how good the conditions are, 'IF' something happens, you're fuked and are very likely to take others with you.

Dudess wrote: »

I'm not defending anyone who does 150kph

150 kph / 93mph *was* the average driving speed on UK motorways when they held the title of being the safest roads in europe.
It's lower since the speed camera blitz and guess what? fatalities went up because now everyone watches their speedometers instead of the road.

justsomebloke

stevec wrote: »

150 kph / 93mph *was* the average driving speed on UK motorways when they held the title of being the safest roads in europe.
It's lower since the speed camera blitz and guess what? fatalities went up because now everyone watches their speedometers instead of the road.

when exactly was that just as a matter of interest

Marcus.Aurelius

stevec wrote: »

150 kph / 93mph *was* the average driving speed on UK motorways when they held the title of being the safest roads in europe.
It's lower since the speed camera blitz and guess what? fatalities went up because now everyone watches their speedometers instead of the road.

Exactly. In Germany, autobahns have very low incidence of accidents purely because people are not speedo watching, and drive only according to the road conditions, something we Irish have lost. Wherever arbitrary speed limits are introduced on such roads, the prevalence of accidents increases, the more nanny-state powers mess with roads, the worse drivers become.

Anywhere they have tested the autobahn style no-limits system, accident rates have dropped like stones, irrespective of road condition.

EDIT: See http://www.safespeed.org.uk/

togster

Dudess wrote: »

there are self appointed moral guardians getting up on their high horses about slight increases in speed on the dual carriageway/motorway.

Kind of hypocritical tbh considering you seem to say that we should use our common sense when choosing to obey limits or not. Self apointed moral guardians?

OT Kbannon is a great mod. I don't think he should be demodded. I think people have jumped on some sort of bandwagon. He's not mod in that forum.

Gandalf23

~Rebel~ wrote: »

He was talking of regularly doing speeds of 150kph. Doesn't matter how good the conditions are, 'IF' something happens, you're fuked and are very likely to take others with you.

I'm confused here.

Does he STILL advocate speeding? Or does he say he regularly sped in the past and now regrets it?

Steve

jsb wrote: »

when exactly was that just as a matter of interest

Not sure of the exact timeframe, I'd guess around 10 years ago.

Gandalf23

kbannon wrote: »

Not all speeding equals dangerous driving! I still believe that exceeding the speed limit in many of my situations (especially dual carriageway & motorway) does not necessarily post a safety risk

Hey OP ... when did kbannon say this?

pvt.joker

KBannon = worse than Hitler

Seth Brundle

pvt.joker wrote: »

KBannon = worse than Hitler

Its great to have a reasonable debate on boards with intelligent adults! :rolleyes: