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WoW vs. EvE
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03-07-2008 3:32pm#1
Wow, way to constructively add to the thread/forums guys.Broken get back on Eve and stay away from this WoW pish, you know in your heart Eve is a million times better!
Perhaps now I can come over to the EvE forums and take turns commenting on how much of a wankstain on MMO's, EvE really is. I mean, since there isnt really any skill involved, its mainly just about using pre-set builds and having the necessary in-game skills to click shoot. Then let the computer fly around the enemies ship until one of you explodes. Yes, infinitely better than WoW.
Or perhaps, each MMO is made for a different niche market. And in order to call a player truly yours, you need to let them go and explore other MMOs. If they dont return, then it was never meant to be but if they do... then who cares, Warcraft is probably better off without those quitters anyways!0
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Wow, way to constructively add to the thread/forums guys.
Perhaps now I can come over to the EvE forums and take turns commenting on how much of a wankstain on MMO's, EvE really is. I mean, since there isnt really any skill involved, its mainly just about using pre-set builds and having the necessary in-game skills to click shoot. Then let the computer fly around the enemies ship until one of you explodes. Yes, infinitely better than WoW.
Or perhaps, each MMO is made for a different niche market. And in order to call a player truly yours, you need to let them go and explore other MMOs. If they dont return, then it was never meant to be but if they do... then who cares, Warcraft is probably better off without those quitters anyways!
We were only having a laugh with him. He knows we don't really mean it. The Irish eve community is quite closely knit as there isn't too many of us. As i said myself i have played a huge amount of WoW and its a good game, i just got bored of it. We didn't come here to flame WoW, just to take the piss out of a fellow eve player (or ex-eve player)
But yeh, EVE takes more skill than WoW overall. But thats for another thread.
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We were only having a laugh with him. He knows we don't really mean it. The Irish eve community is quite closely knit as there isn't too many of us. As i said myself i have played a huge amount of WoW and its a good game, i just got bored of it. We didn't come here to flame WoW, just to take the piss out of a fellow eve player (or ex-eve player)
But yeh, EVE takes more skill than WoW overall. But thats for another thread.
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Hah, my forum, I like that... has a nice ring to it, I may use that in the futureSorry for invading your forum but broken was ours first, and your welcome to come over to the Eve Online section and post your comments on Eve. Your opinion on Eve sounds like you played it for maybe a week and then left it alone, the fact that your only emphasising(sp?) on one aspect of the game shows this.
I would encourage you to take a break from your 'raids' and try out Eve again, here is a 14-Day Free Trial If you require any assistance in the game, if you choose to try it again, drop into the irish channel ingame or drop me a PM.
Again apologies for invading your forum.
But just some background history... I was the one to suggest EVE have its own boards forum, Hobbes made the forum request thread, but I was the one that got the ball rolling. Asked in the MMO forums what people thought and made it alot easier to get people to support the forum when Hobbes made the forum request thread.
I also currently have 2 EvE accounts (although neither are currently active) a caldari pvp character with approximately 14 million skill points and a gallente industrial character with around 8 million skill points, that just finished training up the skills to fly Hulks when I last stopped playing.
My post, although meant somewhat in jest, was more aimed at the particularly snide comments from you guys regarding WoW. To me, these comments are systemic of the arrogant EvE attitude I have come to know and hate An attitude that is further characterised by your belief that I couldnt possibly dislike your game, if I had played it for more than a week
But the fact of the matter is, I dont dislike EvE. I dislike that I was promised Frontier Online and all I got was a fancy new screensaver. I dislike that I was promised a more mature player base, where we could do anything and everything together... but all I got were the same twits from other MMOs with a few holier-than-thou gits thrown into the mix. Most of all though, I hate clicking on "Orbit at" and then clicking fire or mine and waiting for the inevitable...
P.s. 'Raids > 'Rats > 'Roids any day of the week and twice on sundays 0 -
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Hah, my forum, I like that... has a nice ring to it, I may use that in the future
It's nice isn't itBut just some background history... I was the one to suggest EVE have its own boards forum, Hobbes made the forum request thread, but I was the one that got the ball rolling. Asked in the MMO forums what people thought and made it alot easier to get people to support the forum when Hobbes made the forum request thread.
Sorry but it was regi and the irish room and hobbes that first discussed and rampantly screamed for the separate forum, your talking to
hobbes may have been close to the time he made the request thread though.I also currently have 2 EvE accounts (although neither are currently active) a caldari pvp character with approximately 14 million skill points and a gallente industrial character with around 8 million skill points, that just finished training up the skills to fly Hulks when I last stopped playing.
Well right there you have a problem, caldari pvp character (sorry in game joke). Can I inquire when you stopped playing the game?My post, although meant somewhat in jest, was more aimed at the particularly snide comments from you guys regarding WoW. To me, these comments are systemic of the arrogant EvE attitude I have come to know and hate An attitude that is further characterised by your belief that I couldnt possibly dislike your game, if I had played it for more than a week
Well my comment is my general comment at things, an as statso said we are a tightly knit group in game. Tbh I realise not everyone will enjoy eve, as when I started I dragged a few mates with me also and not all took to it, some more recently have ventured back to it in the attempt to give it a second chance. To each their own I guess.But the fact of the matter is, I dont dislike EvE. I dislike that I was promised Frontier Online and all I got was a fancy new screensaver. I dislike that I was promised a more mature player base, where we could do anything and everything together... but all I got were the same twits from other MMOs with a few holier-than-thou gits thrown into the mix. Most of all though, I hate clicking on "Orbit at" and then clicking fire or mine and waiting for the inevitable...
This is where I feel your opinion fell short of justifying eve fairly, it is a lot more than point, click and orbit, especially in the bigger scheme of things when it comes to 0.0 and politics and now even in High Sec with the introduction of Factional Warfare. When you've taken part in even a 60 vs 60 ship fight come back with your modified opinion then. I'm not a fan of 1v1's as they usually don't present the necessary challenge in the game, larger engagements with some of the biggest ships in the game are the most invigorating and adrenaline rushing moments i've had while playing any game, but again eve isn't for everyone and if you don't like it there is not much I can do to change that.P.s. 'Raids > 'Rats > 'Roids any day of the week and twice on sundays
Ratting/Mining is boring i'll give you that, that's why ill stick to suicide ganking and make my isk through the stupidity of others. :pac:0 -
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http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055030342&highlight=time+forumIt's nice isn't it
Sorry but it was regi and the irish room and hobbes that first discussed and rampantly screamed for the separate forum, your talking to
hobbes may have been close to the time he made the request thread though.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055030896&highlight=online
Rest my caseWell right there you have a problem, caldari pvp character (sorry in game joke). Can I inquire when you stopped playing the game?
Yes, this of course was before the missile nerf, and originally started out as a mission running, missile spitting machine. Then slowly I learned to pilot a manticore and develop reasonable bag of tricks so as to be useful in PvP. One of the reasons I dont play EvE anymore is because when I went back I found my Uber Caldari character was essentially useless.Well my comment is my general comment at things, an as statso said we are a tightly knit group in game. Tbh I realise not everyone will enjoy eve, as when I started I dragged a few mates with me also and not all took to it, some more recently have ventured back to it in the attempt to give it a second chance. To each their own I guess.
Sure, tightly knit, doesnt really explain coming to the WoW forum and badgering new players to the game and/or giving people a generally poor perception of EvE players... In-jokes are generally best reserved for PMs, private forums, and forums with a tight knit bunch of players... not on other forums with a large usuage and one of the highest amount of boards members, who have just signed up...This is where I feel your opinion fell short of justifying eve fairly, it is a lot more than point, click and orbit, especially in the bigger scheme of things when it comes to 0.0 and politics and now even in High Sec with the introduction of Factional Warfare. When you've taken part in even a 60 vs 60 ship fight come back with your modified opinion then. I'm not a fan of 1v1's as they usually don't present the necessary challenge in the game, larger engagements with some of the biggest ships in the game are the most invigorating and adrenaline rushing moments i've had while playing any game, but again eve isn't for everyone and if you don't like it there is not much I can do to change that.
The grand scheme of things is one of the reasons I started playing EvE. All those articles I would read about the great corporation robberys/espionage/battles and I wanted that. But you can only mine so many 'roids, kill so many 'rats before you need to decide whether the game is for you or not. And I'm sorry, but in my widely experienced opinion, the EvE "meta-game" sucks donkey balls... and that is pretty much all the average new player to EvE will ever see. This being one of the main reasons EvE has
~200,000 members to WoW's ~10million+Ratting/Mining is boring i'll give you that, that's why ill stick to suicide ganking and make my isk through the stupidity of others. :pac:
You need to reach a certain point of played time before that is financially viable, therefore I can only assume that you must have mined/rat'd for a minimum amount of time like everybody else. That minimum time is too much for me and most new EvE players...0 -
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Speed, knowledge, timing, co-ordination
Using the right ability quickly enough
Recognising an opponents ability and knowing the counter available to you
Predicting use of abilities and thus countering
Working with team-mates to shut down one or more characters
I realise a large part of what I've listed here, you are going to try to claim are within EvE too. But while I will agree, up to a point, at the end of the day, once the ultimate goal of locking down a ship and getting close to the target is complete, there is nothing to do but have the ship fly around automatically killing the target.
But I realise the pointless nature of this debate and will just have to let it go. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
And this is where you seem to have missed a huge part of the game, politics! The sovereignty system creates vast power blocks which very frequently war with each other taking each other space, some losing everything they have spent years building and sometimes coming back from the brink and retaking everything they have lost.
The risk in eve is what I feel separates it from WoW tbh, and if your wondering what I mean by risk play the game!
The sandbox that is Eve WoW doesn't even come close imo ofc. 0 -
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displeaser wrote: »To the person who mentioned about 2 groups going to war in eve, maybe you have never been online in wow when 3 40 man raids from the horde descend on stormwind, and the aftermath of raids that follow for days afterwards.
I'm curious to the average player numbers on each WoW server, I imagine its about 7-8k correct me if i'm wrong please.
Eve has one server averaging about 30k people logged in with upwards of 42k (so far 42711 is the record). When we talk about two groups going to war this is usually multiple alliances of thousands of players fighting for space, with some space battles taking place without 600 people (or more) involved in one fight, and this can be on a daily basis, most fights would average out to maybe 200 vs 200 or so and then smaller engagements taking place before and after larger engagements between the support elements of fleets.
You also have another huge side to almost every war in Eve, espionage, spies or various forums of propaganda are a huge part of the nature of Eve and although annoying play an important role in every major incident in Eve.
The closest thing to a raid in my view in Eve is a complex or exploration sites which is a relatively new feature in Eve, usually run in groups on the harder ones some can be run solo though, or one player running a few accounts.
Honestly we have nothing in Eve thats really like the raids against NPC's like you have, but NPC's are not why I play Eve. I play for the PVP side and the politics side. I know people that play strictly to undermine corporations and alliances or pull of scams and come away will billions of isk in corp/alliance assets, I know people that play to mine and build ammo/ships/modules for other players and play with the market against other players or even playing the stock market, hell some people play just to troll the forums. 0 -
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