Campervans not wanted in North Kerry

sunchaser

A very hot debate took place over the last few days on local & national radio about camper vans taking up spaces overnight in car parks at beaches in north Kerry, Ballybunion, Banna and Ballyheigue. North Kerry county council have passed a by law banning camper vans from all blue flag beaches. It is time all camper van owners wrote to Kerry County Council expressing their concerns on this matter. These people in Kerry County Council have not thought of the revenue that we camper van owners bring to an area.

Send an email expressing your thoughts on this very important issue.

aerosol

Hi sunchaser,never heard any of that ,what stations? do you have a link to send your email to?ta

*Kol*

sunchaser wrote: »

A very hot debate took place over the last few days on local & national radio about camper vans taking up spaces overnight in car parks at beaches in north Kerry, Ballybunion, Banna and Ballyheigue. North Kerry county council have passed a by law banning camper vans from all blue flag beaches. It is time all camper van owners wrote to Kerry County Council expressing their concerns on this matter. These people in Kerry County Council have not thought of the revenue that we camper van owners bring to an area.

Send an email expressing your thoughts on this very important issue.

Is there not bylaws prohibiting overnight parking in most of those areas anyway? You don't bring anymore revenue than anyone else going to those areas. Less probably as you bring your own accomodation.

sunchaser

I beg to differ with you. It was only recently that a by law was passed at a Kerry County Council meeting proposed by councillor Robert Beasley of Ballybunion, prohibiting camper vans from parking overnight at their Blue Flag Beaches. It was stated that some users of camper vans were observed urinating outside their camper and others were observed emptying their chemical toilet in a hole dug in the beach. Perhaps we should be lobbying Kerry County Council to provide an Aires or two in Kerry for camping cars, similar to the one provided by Limerick County Council at Askeaton.
On the question of bringing any more revenue to an area, we visit, perhaps you are one of these motorcaravanners who stock up in your home town before leaving for a weekend or extended travel with provisions to last the trip. I for one tend to shop in the are I visit, Caravan Park obtains revenue as I generally stay in one, the local butcher and supermarket as well as a filling station benefit from my visit.
Kerry County Council state that we take up too much room in a car park, deterring cars from entering, I have observed some 10 campers at Kilmore Quay parked lengthways so that they had a nice view of the sea, and they were taking up perhaps 15 parking bays. Wexford County Council solved the problem after some complaints by erecting a height barrier to the car park. Perhaps other counties will follow Kerry’s example.

peasant

sunchaser wrote: »

It was stated that some users of camper vans were observed urinating outside their camper and others were observed emptying their chemical toilet in a hole dug in the beach.

I'd like to see public floggings re-introduced for those kind of "campers"

*Kol*

sunchaser wrote: »

I beg to differ with you. It was only recently that a by law was passed at a Kerry County Council meeting proposed by councillor Robert Beasley of Ballybunion, prohibiting camper vans from parking overnight at their Blue Flag Beaches. It was stated that some users of camper vans were observed urinating outside their camper and others were observed emptying their chemical toilet in a hole dug in the beach. Perhaps we should be lobbying Kerry County Council to provide an Aires or two in Kerry for camping cars, similar to the one provided by Limerick County Council at Askeaton.
On the question of bringing any more revenue to an area, we visit, perhaps you are one of these motorcaravanners who stock up in your home town before leaving for a weekend or extended travel with provisions to last the trip. I for one tend to shop in the are I visit, Caravan Park obtains revenue as I generally stay in one, the local butcher and supermarket as well as a filling station benefit from my visit.
Kerry County Council state that we take up too much room in a car park, deterring cars from entering, I have observed some 10 campers at Kilmore Quay parked lengthways so that they had a nice view of the sea, and they were taking up perhaps 15 parking bays. Wexford County Council solved the problem after some complaints by erecting a height barrier to the car park. Perhaps other counties will follow Kerry’s example.

You didn't mention that you use caravan parks. I wrongly thought you were parking at the beach. My mistake.
How I stockmt MH for the weekends is my business. How my previous post would give you any indication that I "stock it up" is beyond me?
If you stay in caravan parks why are you so worried about people parking at the beaches?
I was commenting not on you personaly but the people in campervans like me and you. Some of us go to sites some go wild camping. They are not bringing any more revenue than anybody else (petrol, food shopping, going out for meals drinks etc. aside). People who bring their cars and stay the weekend spend the same.
As for aires, I would rather stay by the beach if I had to, or spend the huge sum (sarcasm) of around €30 to stay at a site rather than a glorified car park.

aerosol

The way I read the first was post was that the council were banning vans from parking full stop in these carparks or just banning overnight?

*Kol*

aerosol wrote: »

The way I read the first was post was that the council were banning vans from parking full stop in these carparks or just banning overnight?

If that's the case then that is a bit much. If they introduce height barriers then they effectively will stop MH owners from any type of parking which is unfair.
Sunchaser mentioned seeing campers parked lengthways in spaces to get a view of the sea. I would understand how county councils and the general public would object to that. The same thing happens at the parking spaces at Mullaghmore harbour in Sligo.

It was stated that some users of camper vans were observed urinating outside their camper and others were observed emptying their chemical toilet in a hole dug in the beach.

However that kind of carry on does no good for anybody who has a MH and like anything it's a minority who will ruin things for everybody. As Peasent said, public floggings are the order of the day!;)

wohnmobile

It would appear that Kerry County Council don’t want motorhomes parking at their Blue Flag Beaches by day and definitely not by night. As stated they have passed a by law to that effect. It is common practice of some motorhome users to arrive at a car park on a Friday evening and park up for the weekend. There are plenty of threads advising members where they can wild camp. A few years ago I went to Kilmore Quay and observed motorhomes parked across a number of parking bays by the sea and obscuring the view of the sea to other users of the car park. This is very inconsiderate. What Wexford County Council did was erect a height barrier at the car park. We have been complaining for a long time now about height barriers, we are as much culprits as others. You asked the question and I quote “If you stay in caravan parks why are you so worried about people parking at the beaches? “ they are giving motor caravanning a bad name, and over the last few days it has been stated publicly by public representatives on the National airways and on Kerry Radio. We are not wanted in North Kerry, where next. We should be lobbying County Councils to provide a number of parking bays at public car parks specially for motorhomes. If there were say 5 bays it would help and should a greater number of motorhomes park in the car park in car spaces they should be clamped. It is a common practice for some motorhomes users visiting France & Germany to use Aires de Services for a nightly stopover. Personally I have only use aires to dispose of waste water and toilet holding tank when travelling. As you are aware some motorhome users stock up at home when going wild camping and are no asset to the area they are visiting. I assume we all want the best for our fraternity ,I would like to think that all motorhome users would support shops when in an area they are visiting. It creates goodwill.

dudara

There's a small article in today's Irish Times

ONE OF the country’s leading motor-home organisations has urged county and town councils to provide parking spaces in their public car parks for daytime visits.

Councillors and officials in Kerry last week claimed there was a growing problem with campers parking where they liked and in some cases, leaving waste behind.

There has been a strong reaction to the claims from camper- van or motor-home users, who say their vehicles are fully fitted with toilet facilities.

In a statement, the Munster Motor-home Club said while its members had all toilet facilities on board, not all public beaches in Kerry had toilet facilities.

The council’s environmental awareness officer Micheál Ó Coileáin has hit out at “the notion that you can come with a camper- van to Kerry and park up wherever you like”. He said this was no longer acceptable.

He said local communities were lobbying the council to tackle the problem of camper-vans parking in car parks.

fastrac

They dont have much time for you in the Kingdom if your not paying full whack.When our kids were small we went on holiday there and had problems getting tables in restaurants and B&B because they would be half price.It never happened any other place.We go abroad since.

zagmund

So, if I understand correctly, Kerry CoCo people don't want visitors, is that right ? Or is it just campervan people who mostly have onboard waste facilities, bins, etc . . . and so are *far less likely* to leave anything behind ?

I'm afraid their logic eludes me.

z

derry

It the pay full whack routine and its rife in kerry

My forefathers came from Kerry so we were obliged to go there every summer
the i lived aboroad for some years to escape the lack of work in irealnd
i returned and several times went to kerry for the summer holidays

Then I started going back to countries I know and lived in like Spain

i fior one am thinking of buying a camper hiome in spain and keeping it there

I can do three holidays in Spain for the price of one in Kerry and they want to charge Top dollar for crap

All tourists should boycott getting their faces ripped and bring the camper vans to other counties which are more hospitable to camper vans

I hate these carpet bans

I bet you the public that are complaining are camp site owners wanting more money and B&B joints wanting more money


Derry

Run_to_da_hills

This is another classic case of an Irish County Council using a sledge hmmer to crack an egg. The Kerry CC see all campers as "thrifty" second rate holiday makers because they are not supporting the local hotel, restaurant and B&B industry.

No doubt "Big Brother" will be hovering over North Kerry on its regular "illegal car scrap yard surveillance mission" will spot that VW Type 2 or Hymer unlawfully parked at Ballybunion, Banna beach or some other obscure coastal area and subsequently report them to the authorities.

We had the same pathetic bi laws enforced in Co Clare when they banned dogs from Lahinch beach, I don't like standing on dog sh*t but at the same time it wouldn't take much for Clare CC to cordon off a strip along the beach specifically for dog walkers.

boyoh

Hi,
I don't believe Kerry CC would pass such laws unless campers were causing a problem to someone.Having said that I think the approach by CC to many things is bizarre,I have not travelled in Ireland for many years due to the high cost,secondly I use my camper as a base and spend very little time in it while on holidays,there is so much to see and do that sitting in a van and looking out at the sea or such like does not appeal to me, nor does joining a gang lined up along some beach, I sometimes wild camp on my own or with one or two others making sure i'm not a bother to anyone or in some cases asking permission,but mostly leaving my van safely in a site and exploring my surroundings.The people who park in the manner decribed (mob handed in a public place) are not going to listen to any advice given in this forum.However if I was thinking of going to kerry and I'm not, This would deter me.
Happy Camping.............boyoh :D;)

fenris

Just vote with your feet/wheels!

Kerry has been believing its own marketing for far too long, there is some lovely scenery but it is ruined by the gombeen behaviour of the local "hospitality" industry treating every visitor as a cash cow to be milked and sold for burgers.

Give it a while and the local lepracauns will be out begging for grants to replace the revenue from the visitors they have driven away. or maybe that is the "cute hoors" backup plan - drive away the tourists, beg with flat cap in hand for grant aid and then you get the cash without having to get up and cook the gristley fry and stale toast.

chrisblack

I missed a couple of weeks editions of the Southern Star, so I'm not quite sure on the discussion/council being referred to, but there's a long letter in this week, from MH'er getting the message across that we are clean and look after our vans/surroundings, following some comments made a town council meeting(?)

Just wondering whether they are trying to follow suit with Kerry down here??? and can anyone enlighten me on the discussion being referred to in the letter?

Chris

atb

i am sick and tired of traveling anywhere in ireland at this stage everywhere u go there are barriers up facilitys much better such as france but hase any one noticed the cost of taking your dogs by irish ferries now i have 2 and it costs me 230 euros returne just for them before i start 70euro each way big dog 45euro each way small dog it is a rip off
what do u think?? atb:mad:

peasant

atb wrote: »

hase any one noticed the cost of taking your dogs by irish ferries

what do u think?? atb:mad:

seenashow you posted that question in two other threads as well, I'd mutch rather this one stay on topic

Thanks

loobylou

Forgot about this thread.
Coming back from France in the summer I picked up the Irish Ferries freebie magazine. Lo and behold it contained an article about motorhoming in Kerry. The local tourist board had supplied the journalist with a rented campervan and he toured the county and wrote a nice piece about it, designed to encourage other motorhomers to visit Kerry.
So, either the recession has changed the Kerry authorities attitude towards motorhomes or nobody told the officials involved that they don't want campervans in the county.:D

atb

loobylou wrote: »

Forgot about this thread.
Coming back from France in the summer I picked up the Irish Ferries freebie magazine. Lo and behold it contained an article about motorhoming in Kerry. The local tourist board had supplied the journalist with a rented campervan and he toured the county and wrote a nice piece about it, designed to encourage other motorhomers to visit Kerry.
So, either the recession has changed the Kerry authorities attitude towards motorhomes or nobody told the officials involved that they don't want campervans in the county.:D

hi loobyloo thats intresting will do the rounds early next year and let u know i do hope so as kerry is so beautiful:D

connel42

I am travelling to Kenmare for saturday and hopin got stay in the area.
Anybody have any suggestions?
Good site or safe wild camp would be great.

Macspower

Unfortunately Kerry is one of the most camper unfriendly places I have found... They try everything to push you to a camper site that is charging B&B rates IMO.. Especially the main tourist spots.

In Kenmare I had no problem street parking on the small square/park in the centre of the town but only stayed there one night..

Donnchadh1

Macspower wrote: »

Unfortunately Kerry is one of the most camper unfriendly places I have found... They try everything to push you to a camper site that is charging B&B rates IMO.. Especially the main tourist spots.

In Kenmare I had no problem street parking on the small square/park in the centre of the town but only stayed there one night..

Macpower,

I'm not sure but do you think that maybe your first statement and your second statement might be linked?

I read this forum a good bit and I always wonder about people who ask about wild camping spots and then somone suggest a car park in a built up area. Is this what passes as wild camping? I dunno?
TBH waking up in a car park with peoples houses around does not appeal to me at all and I suppose its contary to why I got a campervan. Also I'd have to think if I lived there would I be ok with campervans there.

I'd be interested to know what others views on this?

Rgd,

Donnchadh

spaceHopper

As a surfer I do it all the time I've only just gotten a van but I've borrowed friends van few times and often gone away surfing with him or others. Lots of surfers park up in Strandhill, Lahinch, Enniscrone....

The local buisness get the benefit of our spending. There are camp sites but what do they offer use for the 20 or so euros a night - not much. We arrive late on Friday night when it's locked up. We're better off parked by the beach for the day, nearer boards and somewhere to get changed. If the wind changes or the swell drops we'll go somewhere else. The camp sites are close in winter but there are still surfers around.

We've wild camped in remote parts of Mayo which is something special, where there isn't a camp site but still we'd all end up spending 20 or 30+ euros in the local supper market / coffee shops - not much but it adds up.

Maybe that's where we differ some people see the motor home as the main event but to a lot of surfers it primarily a means of transport and accommodation / shelter which provides freedom to move.

But yes I agree there are places where it's not appropriate and we should always leave nothing but foot steps.

Leona C

HI there

We were recently in Dingle Co kerry and could not find places to stay as the large two car parks in town clearly stated motorhomes were not welcome saying they would be towed! I think it is a shame and sh0rt sighted of councils and local businesses to do this. They should take a leaf out of Askeaton's book and look to our european friends in how they cater for and welcome motorhome owners. I hope this will change in the future. In saying all of that we did find an incredibly friednly pub near Inch where we were made to feel very welcome indeed so much so, we ended up spending a week with them!!

corkbuoy

Leona C wrote: »

HI there

We were recently in Dingle Co kerry and could not find places to stay as the large two car parks in town clearly stated motorhomes were not welcome saying they would be towed! I think it is a shame and sh0rt sighted of councils and local businesses to do this. They should take a leaf out of Askeaton's book and look to our european friends in how they cater for and welcome motorhome owners. I hope this will change in the future. In saying all of that we did find an incredibly friednly pub near Inch where we were made to feel very welcome indeed so much so, we ended up spending a week with them!!

Leona C
Are the towing signs new ? We stayed in the car park during the August weekend and had no problems. 7 or 8 other campers there also. The usual "no overnight parking" signs were there but nothing about towing. We called to the tourist office and they said there was no problem staying there. We were planning on going there for the October weekend so this could mean a change of plan !

TigerTim

I've never had any problem with the car park in Dingle. Usually 8 to 10 campers there.
In Kenmare, head out the Glengariff road but just before the suspension bridge on the edge of town, take a right towards the pier. Usually a few campers wild cmping there. About half a mile from town.

T.

netwhizkid

TigerTim wrote: »

I've never had any problem with the car park in Dingle. Usually 8 to 10 campers there.
In Kenmare, head out the Glengariff road but just before the suspension bridge on the edge of town, take a right towards the pier. Usually a few campers wild cmping there. About half a mile from town.

T.

Another place in Kenmare is there is a fairly large carpark outside both the Boys and Girls National schools, however this would only be handy in the summer when the schools are closed and everywhere is blocked off there around the 15th of August when the mass invasion of travellers comes for the horse fair.

limerickguy2

hey guys those bylaws apply to all overnight campers not just people in campervans ,so dont feel hard done by .the reason for it is debateable so why not ask kerry county council for explanation ,i do believe though that its goin to happen on every beach as one can see a lot of these e.u.directive signs been erected in galway ,clare and kerry beaches recenty which prohibit a lot of things ,people dont even read them .i think if no one else is allowed camp on beach why should a camper be allowed to ?fair is fair .

Danuogma

Screw them. I was approached by a Kerry CoCo jobsworth a couple of summers ago near Castlegregory, I didn't have a camper van, I had a 2 man tent and a car. I was well off the beaten track and when he approached and told me that I had to use an approved camping ground I basically told him to fup off.
Its a sad day when malignant jobsworths on powertrips go out of their way to annoy and harass people who aren't bothering anyone.

peasant

Danuogma wrote: »

Its a sad day when malignant jobsworths on powertrips go out of their way to annoy and harass people who aren't bothering anyone.

There would be the minor matter though of wild camping being illegal

Danuogma

peasant wrote: »

There would be the minor matter though of wild camping being illegal

So what?. If people decided to live their lives to the letter of the law then they might as well stay at home in bed. As long as somebody isn't bothering others or causing damage then the law can go swing.

peasant

Well, it works both ways.

As long as you're not bothering anyone, usually nobody has any objections to a somewhat liberal interpretation of the (camping) law.

Telling objectors (official or otherwise) to go eff themselves however creates ill will. Insult enough "busybodies" and you'll find "no camping" signs everywehere and next time it'll be the gardai telling you to get a move on.

limerickguy2

its happening already peasant ,theres loads of :no camping signs erected , i was told by locals in dingle ,castlegregory area that too many "undesirables" make what you wish of that word :rolleyes:,were arriving in campers ,personally i think its greed on their behalf trying to gt everyone into *beds , b&b,s an hotels etc ,which i totaly disagree with as theres nothin like the feelin when u wake up to the soundof the surf an walk out in the grass in ur bare feet,:)in the morning ,what ever happened to the people that welcomed yuor custom in the summer months ,now its a case of rip you off as much as possible .

spaceHopper

limerickguy2 wrote: »

its happening already peasant ,theres loads of :no camping signs erected , i was told by locals in dingle ,castlegregory area that too many "undesirables" make what you wish of that word :rolleyes:,were arriving in campers ,personally i think its greed on their behalf trying to gt everyone into *beds , b&b,s an hotels etc ,which i totaly disagree with as theres nothin like the feelin when u wake up to the soundof the surf an walk out in the grass in ur bare feet,:)in the morning ,what ever happened to the people that welcomed yuor custom in the summer months ,now its a case of rip you off as much as possible .

There reason is that a gang of "surfers" camped on the common land just after the bridge on the way out to dumps, they left all their mess behind, stuff like that was always happening so they banned everybody - bit silly but TII - this is Ireland.

The recession will sort that, take Easkey, the buzz is gone since they closed off access to the castle field, I'm sure the town has noticed the drop off in trade - they can take it up with the local comunity council - when they need your buisness they'll soon change their minds

niloc1951

Nearly five years since the last post but nothing seems to have changed.

Messrs Beasley and Co, are still stirring the pot.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/crackdown-on-illegal-campervan-parking-277948.html

pastense

Was in Killarney at the Rally weekend, staying on a campsite, being charged B&B type rates despite bringing the room and bed with me, got several taxis during the course of our stay and the common theme was the 'undesireable' elements who were sleeping in their cars and littering the car parks. It seems to be conveniently forgotten in Kerry, for the purposes of promoting hotels and B&Bs it seems, that those people including the people in Campers spend quite a bit of money during their visit on food and drink etc. In fact after paying €17 for 2 coffees and 2 toasted sandwiches at a cafe in Killarney and €30 per night for two of us in the campsite its the Camper van owners who should be announcing Kerry as the place to put at the very bottom of the list.

Cork is showing the way anyway with parking facilities in places like Cobh.

endacl

Arra, just put the hazard lights on when you find a nice spot where you won't be bothering anybody.

"I'm not parked. I've broken down!"

demoreino

A whole lot of our customers here at Ireland West Motorhomes , and Im sure all motorhome rental company customers , ask us for recccommendations on places to visit and stay , both wild camping and on site parking .
I have been telling them for years that the west has as much , if not more to offer than some of the over hyped , over priced areas in other parts of the country .
The best of Mayo and Galway is better than the best of any other 2 counties in Ireland . And more importantly , campers are very welcome in all areas that I know of . ;-)
kevin www.iwmotorhomes.ie

db

A lot of the traveller community appear to be using campervans now and travelling in large groups. I have seen 10+ campervans parked in the one location for a number of days leaving a right mess behind them. I think this is what some of the councils around the country are reacting to and while it impacts on the majority of campervan owners who stop for a night, leave the area as they found it and spend some money in the locality, can you see where the councils are coming from?

Is the solution to this to create more designated parking spots? What do you do if a large group takes over one of these areas for a longer period?

spaceHopper

db wrote: »

A lot of the traveller community appear to be using campervans now and travelling in large groups. I have seen 10+ campervans parked in the one location for a number of days leaving a right mess behind them. I think this is what some of the councils around the country are reacting to and while it impacts on the majority of campervan owners who stop for a night, leave the area as they found it and spend some money in the locality, can you see where the councils are coming from?

Is the solution to this to create more designated parking spots? What do you do if a large group takes over one of these areas for a longer period?

You have CCTV cameras and a gate you can close. Trouble shows up you close the gate, they can't come and go as the please they'll move on. There are travelers in France too but they seem to manage to control things

mdolly123

Theres always someone looking to make money, add to the rules and generally spoil **** for others, let them camp.:rolleyes:

niloc1951

In Europe the type of activity is controlled by bye-laws which can be implemented if any abuse of the facility takes place.
Parking areas are for parking only and a person can usually park for 48 or 72 hours. If a person wants to put out awnings, furniture, cooking equipment or waste containers that is not allowed and you must go to a camping and caravan park.

See HERE for a French and Spanish example of the signs used to show 'camping' is not allowed and what is considered to be camping.

If a person does camping at a parking area they can be prosecuted for breach of bye-lay irrespective of who they are and no matter who you are once you abide by the rules you wont get 'moved on'.

Irishgoatman

niloc1951 wrote: »

In Europe the type of activity is controlled by bye-laws which can be implemented if any abuse of the facility takes place.
Parking areas are for parking only and a person can usually park for 48 or 72 hours. If a person wants to put out awnings, furniture, cooking equipment or waste containers that is not allowed and you must go to a camping and caravan park.

See HERE for a French and Spanish example of the signs used to show 'camping' is not allowed and what is considered to be camping.

If a person does camping at a parking area they can be prosecuted for breach of bye-lay irrespective of who they are and no matter who you are once you abide by the rules you wont get 'moved on'.

The link that niloc has shown here is definitely the way to go but in all honesty I can't see it happening. I don't think that the local councils consider us enough of a cash cow.

johnk1960

A few years ago my wife and I were driving through Kerry, stopped beside a lake to cook lunch (within the van) and got hustled on by an extremely abusive local woman and her 6 year old boy. I was gobsmacked! Won't return there again. Ever.

niloc1951

johnk1960 wrote: »

A few years ago my wife and I were driving through Kerry, stopped beside a lake to cook lunch (within the van) and got hustled on by an extremely abusive local woman and her 6 year old boy. I was gobsmacked! Won't return there again. Ever.

Ah shur she probably though she was backing up her local councillor y'know the guy who said all motorhomes should go to hell or a caravan and camping park.

A mate of mine has his window smashed in at 3 am one night by similar types obviously fired up by anti motorhome rhetoric from their elected representatives and non-elected officials.

The same carry on got a house burned down in Donegal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_McEniff

pastense

Got a mouthful of abuse from a Kerry 'lady' in the Manor SC car park in Tralee, parked while the missus went to Tesco for stuff, had to take up 2 spaces and even though there were loads of spaces available it seems that one of the ones I was on was the the exact one she wanted.
Its a bit of a fashion down there it seems to resent Camper van owners and I'm beginning to wonder if there are a lot of large chips being carried around on shoulders.

niloc1951

In today's Irish Examiner there's an article giving our side of the argument, nice to see

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/campervan-owners-give-kerry-thumbs-down-over-parking-278508.html

Nekarsulm

Councillors know there are hundreds if not thousands of B&B owners, each one with a vote. Not so many camp site owners. So their rational is: We have not provided facilities for these people, so let us instead draft by-laws to enable us to fine them, especially if they have the cheek to avoid paying our fine B&B owners and stay in their legally purchased and insured self contained machines.

Just avoid Kerry, go to Mayo.

Had a great week there around Westport last month. Great friendly people.

Niall_G

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Just avoid Kerry, go to Mayo.

Had a great week there around Westport last month. Great friendly people.

Not so good if you want to go to the beach though - every beach from Westport towards Croagh Patrick has height barriers - sometimes without any warning half way down a small laneway.