Travellers On Carrickpherish Road.

kensutz

Yeah just got stopped by them when I came home from the match. Also saw a van and squad car heading out towards the ORR.

CantGetNoSleep

mike65 wrote: »

Rathkeale is the place, which is traveller central.

Mike.

Never going there so

Fajitas!

Sully wrote: »

Armed checkpoint at the Bridge tonight. Other then that, no activity by cops

Saw that myself.

Was a patrol walking down the Quay, and on our way back, was another patrol after pulling in two cars.

Sully

Fajitas! wrote: »

Saw that myself.

Was a patrol walking down the Quay, and on our way back, was another patrol after pulling in two cars.

Saw a car pulled in outside the internet cafe alright, and one guard outside Rubys.. neither of which were armed guards.

dlofnep

So what's the craic at the moment? Any updates?

Fajitas!

Sully wrote: »

Saw a car pulled in outside the internet cafe alright, and one guard outside Rubys.. neither of which were armed guards.

That was one of the cars, there was another one at the other internet cafe too.

No updates, but I saw a van in the Garda impound today, which I can only assume was involved in one of the arson attacks. I wouldn't fancy being in the driver seat of it. But I don't know for sure if it was involved in anything.

CantGetNoSleep

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhqlaugbcwgb/rss2/

Clamping down on the yokes it seems

Cabaal

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhqlaugbcwgb/rss2/

Clamping down on the yokes it seems

its nice to see some action, lets hope it keeps up against anyone who breaks the law in this manner

mike65

There is no subtlety with these guys is there?

All the arrested refused bail this morning.

Mike.

CantGetNoSleep

mike65 wrote: »

There is no subtlety with these guys is there?

All the arrested refused bail this morning.

Mike.

Good

JP Liz

The Examiner

TENSIONS are high after a weekend shooting linked to a violent feud between Traveller families in Cork and Waterford.
Gardaí stepped up patrols in the Hollyhill area of Cork city last night after the incident on Nash’s Boreen in the early hours of yesterday morning.

It was the second time this week that a gun has been fired in the lane on the city’s north side where two Traveller families live.

Both incidents are linked to a violent feud between several Traveller families living in Cork and Waterford that flared last weekend.

In the latest incident, two men in an Opel car drove in to Nash’s Boreen, a cul-de-sac close to the Apple Computers plant, just after midnight.

A number of shots were fired from a rifle at the gate of one of two houses in the lane.

Several adults were in the house at the time but there were no injuries.

Gardaí had been monitoring the area since last Thursday, when two shots were fired from a shotgun at an empty car parked in the lane.

The men, who were wearing hoodies, abandoned the car in the lane and fled on foot.

Gardaí who were on patrol nearby were on the scene quickly and sealed off the area for a technical examination.

They recovered several spent shells, which will be examined by ballistics experts. They also seized the car for forensic examination. A team of gardaí also searched a number of fields around the lane.

The feud boiled over last Saturday after a man was viciously attacked in Waterford city.

Christopher Stokes, who it is understood has relations living in Nash’s Boreen, is in a critical but stable condition in intensive care at Waterford Regional Hospital following the incident at the Six Cross Roads.

Last Tuesday, Anthony McDonagh, 24, from Aisling Court, Waterford was brought before Waterford District Court charged with carrying out an assault on Mr Stokes. He was remanded in custody.

Willie Burke, 22, from St Herblain Park and John Burke, 27, of Kilcohan Park, were before the court on Wednesday in connection with the assault.

A fourth man, Thomas Quilligan, 36, and from Carrickpherish, Waterford, was charged with the possession of ammunition.

There was a large Garda presence at the courthouse for all hearings and patrols have been stepped up in several parts of the city.

There have been six arson attacks on homes in Waterford city since last Saturday — including one incident in which it is believed the wrong house was targeted.

In total, 11 people have been arrested. Gardaí have conducted extensive searches of waste ground, private houses and public areas in the city and have recovered a number of items, including 37 homemade incendiary devices, a sawn-off shotgun and five rounds of ammunition.

Reports differ on the cause of the feud, ranging from a dispute about the outcome of a bare-knuckle fight in Waterford last weekend, to an arranged marriage that didn’t work out.

Up to 60 individuals from several Traveller families in both counties are believed to be involved.

Happening in Cork now

Sully

Gardai were out in force last night. Checkpoint outside Harveys (which I overtook, assuming the truck had broken down ) and I saw a guard removing a lad from a car outside Rubys.

ROCKMAN

CORK in a weird way makes sense,

All sides have a good % of family living there.

mike65

More mayhem, firebomb in St Herblain Park and an arrest. I think something else may have happened - its hard to keep up.

Mike

Aquos76

3 Petrol bombs were also thrown into the Halting site at Bilberry last night.

Green Hornet

Aquos76 wrote: »

3 Petrol bombs were also thrown into the Halting site at Bilberry last night.

I thought that Bilberry crowd were not supposed to be too bad? Must be getting involved as well.

Green Hornet

Passed by Bilberry site at about 7.30 and there was a paddy wagon and 3 cops there. Must be something going on there.

Tellox

Apparently one of Stokes was murdered yesterday - hung in the back of a van and beat to death. Whether this is the true cause of death or not (lets all remain speculative until the papers get sensational), and apparently, they're going to be in the funeral home on barrack street tonight.

I heard this from a "friend of a gaurd", so take it whatever way you will. But if there's any essence of truth to it, I'd strongly recommend keeping out of town for the night. Or travelling with a very large group/anti tank gun.

dlofnep

I was out in St. Herblain last night and I saw a few Gardai there. Not sure if it was related.

Any confirmation on that Tellox?

Aquos76

Well I passed by barracks street twice today and there were guards outside Ryan's Bar and the unmarked car was parked accross from the funeral home. Must be something going on up there so.

AdMMM

I heard the same story from someone who is acquainted with the family.

Fajitas!

Never seen so many 'private parties' in Waterford before

JP Liz

Have they relatives in Mulligar???????

Green Hornet

The whole thing seems to be reaching epidemic proportions now. Also heard that its going to kick off in New Ross.

The council gave them a house in new estate and the place is full of caravans now. Cops warned the residents that they expecting a civil war. Bloody ridiculous giving them houses in estates. Shouldn't happen.

garp

This is not something that is needed at this time of year.(not that its wanted anytime) But with Spraoi over the weekend, any more bad press about this and people will start thinking twice about comming into town for the festival.

south

the cops had a van stopped at the clock tower around 4.30 searching it

Cabaal

Spraoi over the weekend is going to causde headache's for the gardai I'd imagine, they have to police the event as well as continuing their clampdown on the troubles, its gona be fun for them

mike65

Gunshot in Farren Park overnight, no one hurt. One arrest I think

Mike.

Cabaal

mike65 wrote: »

Gunshot in Farren Park overnight, no one hurt. One arrest I think

Mike.

and its made the news - http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0731/waterford.html

Shot fired at Waterford house
Thursday, 31 July 2008 11:06

A shot was fired at a house in Farran Park in Waterford city at around 12.20am this morning.

Gardaí in Waterford are investigating the incident.

Nobody was injured in the shooting and the scene has been preserved for technical examination.
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Gardaí are appealing for witnesses who may have seen anything suspicious in the Farran Park estate between 12am and 1am to contact them.

choclatecream

well im a traveller an stuck in the middle of the whole thing
an let me tell u , were not doin this out of tradition or just to keep ourselves busy ,
and yes it must be horrible for u all to have worries,
questions and no answers!
but at least u dont have watch ur every move !
wake up every morning and have your first thought be
was any of my family shot dead last night !

the troubles u have are better than the troubles u dont have !

Kotek Besar

choclatecream wrote: »

well im a traveller an stuck in the middle of the whole thing
an let me tell u , were not doin this out of tradition or just to keep ourselves busy ,
and yes it must be horrible for u all to have worries,
questions and no answers!
but at least u dont have watch ur every move !
wake up every morning and have your first thought be
was any of my family shot dead last night !

the troubles u have are better than the troubles u dont have !

lol.. as if.

elgransenor

choclatecream wrote: »

well im a traveller an stuck in the middle of the whole thing
an let me tell u , were not doin this out of tradition or just to keep ourselves busy ,
and yes it must be horrible for u all to have worries,
questions and no answers!
but at least u dont have watch ur every move !
wake up every morning and have your first thought be
was any of my family shot dead last night !

the troubles u have are better than the troubles u dont have !

Too busy trying to earn a living and rear a family

choclatecream

best of luck with that darlin

dlofnep

choclatecream wrote: »

well im a traveller an stuck in the middle of the whole thing
an let me tell u , were not doin this out of tradition or just to keep ourselves busy ,
and yes it must be horrible for u all to have worries,
questions and no answers!
but at least u dont have watch ur every move !
wake up every morning and have your first thought be
was any of my family shot dead last night !

There is nothing we can do about that. If members of your community fail to adhere to the laws of this country, then that's their prerogative. The gardai have tried to solve this, but those responsible don't care about the law or the well being of anyone else, only themselves. What are we supposed to do? I'm sorry that you're in this situation, but until those responsible grow up and stop acting like a bunch of animals, then it's going to continue. And we are rightfully going to voice our opinion on it when guys are throwing petrol bombs at houses, putting the lifes of innocent people at risk, and driving through town in cars like madmen. So YES - it is horrible for us to have worries. And this isn't the first time either - I couldn't count the amount of times members of your community have either attacked friends of mine, or approached myself when I was growing up for money or fags - followed by a swift punch in the face. You think your community is the only ones affected by all of this? We've been affected by the Travelling community for decades. And nobody is willing to stand up and address any of these issues because the response will be violent, as ever.

While I have you here - Why do members of your community illegally park up on roads, destroy the place with rubbish and fires, and then drive off not cleaning up behind them. Do you think this is acceptable behaviour? I'd like to know what an average traveller thinks of incidents like this.

choclatecream wrote: »

the troubles u have are better than the troubles u dont have !

I disagree. I'm quite content with the troubles I "don't have".

choclatecream

im a traveller, yes! but i wud never in a million years try and take
up for my race , for how can i ?
the only people ill take up for is my own !
my family are quiet people that keep to themselves , work for a living
and have never been in any trouble with the law!
and were all very clean lol

but when people are trying to murder you for know better
reason then to have the town to themselves
then yes things will get ugly ,, but theres nothing we can do
either we protect ourselves or move an id die before i let a
hillbilly with a machete put me outa my home ,,

dlofnep

I'm not trying to label travellers as anything. Try not to go into a defensive mode. I never said you or every member of the travelling community broke the law. I know alot of the members of the travelling community don't break the law. I went to school with some and grew up with some, who were over the years - very loyal friends to me. I was just curious as to your opinion about the illegal parking of travellers, giving you have more of an inside scoop than we do.

Do travellers not really care about parking up and destroying the area because there is no consequences for their actions? Would that be an accurate statement?

choclatecream

sorry , and yes it would its sickening to see half the things they do !
and yes i do think there should be more done about it !
but i doubt things will change !

dlofnep

Are you a settled traveller or do you live on a site? Just curious.

choclatecream

Im settled , have been for most of my life .

Sully

Good to see someone not flaming the situation dlofnep and of course good to see it from "their" side

choclatecream

ive just been readin everything! so many questions!
if anyones curious about anything just ask !

Sully

Do you think if the law actually came down hard on them and took no **** from them - would they still act the way they do or would they give in?

choclatecream

of course , there isnt a traveller in ireland that isnt afraid of the law
if it was a bit more strict down here ud find there wudnt be so many travellers here

Sully

choclatecream wrote: »

of course , there isnt a traveller in ireland that isnt afraid of the law
if it was a bit more strict down here ud find there wudnt be so many travellers here

Assuming that is, that all of Ireland isn't strict? Its not just a Waterford problem is it?

Ri na hEireann

choclatecream wrote: »

of course , there isnt a traveller in ireland that isnt afraid of the law
if it was a bit more strict down here ud find there wudnt be so many travellers here

It does seem that with this feud none of these travellers are afraid of the law. I'd go as far as saying that they have no concept of law.

Sully

Ri na hEireann wrote: »

It does seem that with this feud none of these travellers are afraid of the law. I'd go as far as saying that they have no concept of law.

IF you think about it - there is no law for them to be afraid of at this time. The Guards can do little about it, so the travelers win anyway. If the law got tougher, then the travelers would be sorted and would loose each time.

choclatecream

no its not just waterford , but i do think that they could be more
vigilant down here , it would stop a lot of things !
and prevent more travellers coming into waterford !

dlofnep

choclatecream wrote: »

ive just been readin everything! so many questions!
if anyones curious about anything just ask !

Cool thanks. Stick around It's nice to hear a voice from the other side. I'm sure you have to sieve through alot of hate-comments on here, but stick around so your community has a voice on here.

Sully

choclatecream wrote: »

no its not just waterford , but i do think that they could be more
vigilant down here , it would stop a lot of things !
and prevent more travellers coming into waterford !

Most people dislike the parking where they want and destroying the place. Going vigilant on that - would it sort it?

alpha2zulu

choclatecream, to echo the comments of other posters it is indeed interesting to hear your thoughts.
I guess its the $64000 question, but in your opinion, short of sending the army on to the streets, is their any course of action that you could see working which might put an end to, or at least put a cap on the violence seen in recent weeks?