P2P (Bittorrent etc) configuration & use discussion...ongoing (Only place to post!)

whitestag13

guys i aint a noob at this p2p stuff..but i have the crappy netopia2247nwg but the software versions says 2247-02..i have being trying to forward a port .now aint stupid i have gone to portforward and setup the static ip and the port but my client is still yellow..even when the routers firewall is off..has eircom got something to do with it..i have also tried simple static ip and simple portforward..its a joke now..

Spear

The Pirate Bay got sold for some $7.7m.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/30/pirate_bay_gaming_factory_x_ab/

whitestag13

whitestag13 wrote: »

guys i aint a noob at this p2p stuff..but i have the crappy netopia2247nwg but the software versions says 2247-02..i have being trying to forward a port .now aint stupid i have gone to portforward and setup the static ip and the port but my client is still yellow..even when the routers firewall is off..has eircom got something to do with it..i have also tried simple static ip and simple portforward..its a joke now..

needn bother helping as i figured out away to do it..
my solution..in utorrent i disabled ,enable dht and the rest of the crap like peer discovery ,enable dht for new torrents and only allowed incoming legacy connections..i disabled my routers firewall for a few mins..added port 52335 ,and used portforward to forward port..it still didn open so i also done the udp option also for the same port..now my port open

bazh23

I'm definitely getting traffic shaping on my Upload only. <30kb/s

I just signed up for the 10mb UPC package, switching over from Smart. So I can definitely say there is traffic shaping on torrent clients - With Smart just two days before, I was getting the full 1mb upload (approx 110KB/s in Utorrent). Then two days later, no change to settings, no difference in downloads/uploads. Still the same number of seeds - now my upload is maxing at 31KB/s and while that is happening, surfing is really really slow.... in fact times out on me several incidents.

I'm really really angry about this. It is not part of the "Fair Usage Policy" to throttle or shape your internet traffic. I'm doing nothing illegal. I'm simply sharing files which are publicly available licence free - episodes of reality tv shows.

I cant believe I didnt check Boards before I signed the contract.

I knew it was TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.
Going to ring them tomorrow and see if I can close the account. I would even be willing to pay the 100 yoyo's as I really need a fast upload connection to get good rating with my private trackers....

If your thinking of signing up with UPC, everything is great if you don't Torrent. If you like torrenting.... go elsewhere.:mad::mad::mad:

bazh23

bazh23 wrote: »

I knew it was TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.
Going to ring them tomorrow and see if I can close the account. I would even be willing to pay the 100 yoyo's as I really need a fast upload connection to get good rating with my private trackers....

Save your 100euro and get a seedbox for 20 then you never have to upload to your private trackers again....ever

bazh23

david7536 wrote: »

Save your 100euro and get a seedbox for 20 then you never have to upload to your private trackers again....ever

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is a seedbox? and how do you go about getting one?

...and which one would you recommend?

bazh23

I just got off the phone to technical support in UPC.

This is there official line:
"there is traffic shaping... every company does it ok. its not something that... that they're going to be advertising...."

I said - "i have done testing and can say categorically that UPC are doing traffic shaping on bit-torrent"

She then said - "i haven't denied that we do do traffic shaping.... I haven't denied that"....

She then went on to recommend I use rapidshare! and if I want to test my upload I should go on to heatnet.

So ITS OFFICIAL - UPC are engaging in the underhanded and sneaky practice of traffic-shaping on the upload side of bit-torrent file sharing.

I also have been monitoring usage of Utorrent overnight and the maximum upload speed has been 28% of my upload bandwidth!

Johnboy1951

bazh23 wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is a seedbox? and how do you go about getting one?

...and which one would you recommend?

http://filesharefreak.com/tutorials/beginners-guide-to-seedboxes-in-linux-nix/

So, what exactly is a seedbox? To put it in its most basic form, a seedbox is a computer used to seed torrents. This could be a spare computer you use at home, or in the case of this guide, a rented server. The benefits of renting a server (whether it be a dedicated one, or a virtual private server) is that they are usually on very fast connections that will allow you to download and seed at a much higher rate than you could at home. Another benefit is because you’re not using your own connection to use bittorrent, you can get around any throttling your ISP places on that traffic.

Dboy85

david7536 wrote: »

Save your 100euro and get a seedbox for 20 then you never have to upload to your private trackers again....ever

+1. Great speeds regardless of your bandwidth

bazh23

Thanks for that. Am doing some research and looking at that link.

Is it 20Eur per month? do you know which one is the cheapest, and best for Ireland?

Dboy85

bazh23 wrote: »

Thanks for that. Am doing some research and looking at that link.

Is it 20Eur per month? do you know which one is the cheapest, and best for Ireland?

http://seedhost.net/seed.html Yeah its for the month

Tea_Bag

I thought i should show some uploading speeds on my 10mb UPC broadband.



bare in mind the torrent was well seeded on a public tracker and my average upload was 79.2kb/s


now im not dissagreeing that UPC shape there traffic. EVERYONE knows they do, but you can still get reasonable speeds. i print/screened that pic at 9:20am this morning. and i was lucky it was that high at this hour, because you see, UPC are a company here to make profit, and the best way to do that is give people a FUP. but speeds increase during low usage hours, when there isnt a load of people online. thats why i usually DL from 00:00 - 09:00am. you can do this through uTorrents scheduler option. UPC relaxes their traffic shaping because there is no need to hammer us. UPC isnt out to ruin everyones torrenting, just to make it fair on the rest of their customers. I feel like this should be in the conspiracy theory forum. when i was on BT i complained endlessly when my speeds slowed down during peak hours, but without traffic shaping, BT stood no chance againsed megausers. I dont like it, because they should tell you before you sign a contract, and they should tell you the actual limit on the "unlimited downloads", thats what a respectable company should do anyway, but I dont blame UPC for shaping. if you dont like them, fine, but stop complaining and get a new ISP.

bazh23

I understand where your coming from Tea-bag. But we still have a right to complain. These ISP's never learn. Transparency and honesty and full and frank communications with customers creates a much better environment for customers. It makes good business sense.

I signed up for 1mb upload. I was told that with UPC there is "no" contention - therefor I should get 1mb upload any time. If they provide me with that package, then they should have the infrastructure to cope. FULL STOP. How I use my internet is my business. I don't do anything illegal. So they should not start this nanny business telling customers what they can and cannot do. Its a slippery slope.... next they'll be telling me I shouldn't curse in my emaiils... or I shouldn't look at porn... or I shouldn't communicate with websites in certain "political hot-bed" countries.... .. are they going to tell me how to take a piss???? i'm F*** fed up with this crap. They either give you what they say they will, or they don't. None of this small print, grey area crap...

MORE TRANSPARENCY AND HONESTY WITH IRISH ISP's :mad::mad::mad:

moonboy52

I do not know where all this upc hating is coming from!

I am with them for 3 years and i have relatively few issues. Nothing to write home about.

The problem lies with people who will not pay for a decent way of downloading. The internet works great when people are just downloading i.e client/server. When a lot of people are uploading i.e peer to peer it can be detrimental to the health of "the last mile".

I use usenet and rapidshare and always get my full speed.

Puts on my flame resistant gear

acs 1

I was on UPC for a while but found they were blocking P2P used for multi player games such as COD4 and GRID so i moved back to Magnet. Is this still the case with them or have they finally sorted it out? anyone on UPC still crippled by this nonsense ?

jor el

Thread merged. Popular opinion is that UPC still shape P2P traffic.

moonboy52

acs 1 wrote: »

I was on UPC for a while but found they were blocking P2P used for multi player games such as COD4 and GRID so i moved back to Magnet. Is this still the case with them or have they finally sorted it out? anyone on UPC still crippled by this nonsense ?

Now you mention it, i tried to play trackmania with some friends a few months ago(America & Scotland) and i was blocked, but there was a post on the trackmania forums about how to get around it:)

vibe666

i was previously having problems with UPC using my PS3 online, either when using their own DNS or level3 DNS, but it works fine since I manually changed the DNS settings on the PS3 to use the openDNS servers.

it could have been coincidence, but it might be worth a try if you're still having issues.

Sudsy86

There is 1024Kb/s in 1Mb if you where getting 110Kb/s you where getting a 10th of your upload speed...

Different services use different ports on there server and so on so forth...Im on UPC 20Mb and i can donwload a 700Mb file in 8minutes using Bit Torrent its all about what ya know and how ya set it up...

Open Ports on Firewall and router
Set up trackers on you P2P
Checking peers and so on when choosing a file to download...

Every1 of these steps will improve the download your getting no matter how small, it all adds up...

All ISP's in someway restrict traffic but they dont block it...Its just a matter of knowing what your doing and you can avoid this...If that involved only doing certain things are certain times of the day then just do it...No point in complaining cause you cant prove there doing it...

2 many variables...

bazh23

Sorry, but it has been proved that traffic shaping is going on at UPC:
A recorded conversation in which a UPC tech support lady actually openly admitted that UPC do traffic shaping on Torrenting. Thats an actual hard fact.

Also, when you have a 1mb upload speed... it translates to approx 110kB/s. Big difference between big K and small k - one is kilobits and the other is Kilobytes.

devereaux17

hi, i'm using e-mule at the moment but im not sure if its working right or not. im using eircom broadband so does anyone know what my download and upload speed settings should be?

vibe666

devereaux17 wrote: »

hi, i'm using e-mule at the moment but im not sure if its working right or not. im using eircom broadband so does anyone know what my download and upload speed settings should be?

not if you don't tell us what package you're on.

even then it doesn't mean you're getting the full speed that's technically possible on that package, due to line quality, distance from exchange etc.

go to www.speedtest.net and run a test and it will tell you how fast your connection really is (roughly). best to repeat it a few times at various times of the day and night so you can build up a more accurate picture of your speeds too.

eoinf

I finally got pissed off with being totally unable to use P2P on UPC and decided to contact them about it. I decided i could live with the 30-40k d/l with no upload if my internet browsing didnt hang while using it. My complaint was that i couldn't use both at the same time.

After a few emails back and forth with them suggesting to try this and that without actually come out and saying they dont allow P2P connections they eventually sent me the below.

I had to laugh

Dear UPC disgruntled customer,

The Internet slow down is being caused by your use of an unsupported web application. When you are not using this the connection is fine.

It could be due to any number of issues on the torrent set up such as ports, upload rates, download rates, sizes of the files in both directions etc.

We don't support peer to peer software or its effect on any Internet connection.

I would advise you to check out http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055334444 its a p2p torrent forum on boards.ie and may be helpful but that's as far as we can go.

typical

The-Game

haha so they actually are directing people here?? strange!!

eoinf

The-Game wrote: »

haha so they actually are directing people here?? strange!!

yep, and basically acknowledging that you cant use torrents on UPC.

IcarusIRL

hey guys I'm just after getting on the UPC 10mb broadband and I was wondering does anyone know how to set up port forwarding on their Cisco epc2425 router it's driving me nuts as I can't find help anywhere my ports are blocked and it's annoying.

according to Vuze and utorrent my ports are closed

any suggestions?

hightower1

bazh23 wrote: »

Sorry, but it has been proved that traffic shaping is going on at UPC:
A recorded conversation in which a UPC tech support lady actually openly admitted that UPC do traffic shaping on Torrenting. Thats an actual hard fact.

Also, when you have a 1mb upload speed... it translates to approx 110kB/s. Big difference between big K and small k - one is kilobits and the other is Kilobytes.

I call BS on that one.... post a link to your "recording" ? No ISP would ever confirn nor deny this.

Note that in recording someone without prior express permission your breaking the law.

Tea_Bag

eoinf wrote: »

yep, and basically acknowledging that you cant use torrents on UPC.

Im sorry, but thats JUST NOT TRUE. as ive shown with my screenprint, you can quite easily torrent with UPC. i was 95% maxed out on my upload there. and i can download at 1-1.4mb/s on my 10mb BB.

i know i dont heavily torrent, just get what i want, but try telling my roomate that he cant torrent on UPC. he downloaded/uploaded nearly 320Gb last month, and we havent even gotten a letter or any limitations on the BB, except for a few wild pings/messed up speeds, which only lasted 3 hours at the most, and for only 3 days in the last 2 months.

eoinf

Tea_Bag wrote: »

Im sorry, but thats JUST NOT TRUE. as ive shown with my screenprint, you can quite easily torrent with UPC. i was 95% maxed out on my upload there. and i can download at 1-1.4mb/s on my 10mb BB.

i know i dont heavily torrent, just get what i want, but try telling my roomate that he cant torrent on UPC. he downloaded/uploaded nearly 320Gb last month, and we havent even gotten a letter or any limitations on the BB, except for a few wild pings/messed up speeds, which only lasted 3 hours at the most, and for only 3 days in the last 2 months.

fine, tell us what the set-up is to achieve this ?

hightower1

A real pleasure to deal with I'm sure.
Your posting here to try get some advice and when you heard you may be wrong thats your attitude?????? :eek:

I wouldnt expect much help with a snotty response like that. :rolleyes: