Airsoft Flashbangs...:D

Masada

have a look at these babys.,

Escort: Replica flash- bang Escort presents a very neat addition to CQB/MOUT scenarios- replica of flash-bang grenade:


- New gas powered Flush Bang.
- This Flush bang has loud sound worked by 1.5～2timer.
- Price 98us$
- Size 149mmheight×45mmdiameter
- Weight 260g
- Material aluminum，brass，zink，steel.
- Power source HFC 134a or other law pressure gas.
- P.A.T Pending

http://www.airsoftnews.eu/news.php

IRISH RAIL

Ha ha not bad lets see if there legal first though
but did you see the hey 19 at the bottom of the of the page I want it bad

http://www.air-sharp.com/hey19.htm

Masada

Its powered by regular gun gas, no chemicals involved.,

OzCam

vtec wrote: »

Its powered by regular gun gas, no chemicals involved.,

Regular gas is good. However, that doesn't necessarily mean they're legal.

See http://www.hsa.ie/eng/FAQs/Noise/#7
For "employee" read "staff" _and_ "customers".

Anyone here read Japanese?

Stercus Accidit

In the images they show the spoon flying off, not much fun if you lose that.

Time for a bit of fishing cord methinks.

kdouglas

They probably work in a similar method to the Thumper's, but I've heard they also are completely re-usable without any need to replace parts which would be handy since the thumper's need replacement caps for every use.

Masada

OzCam wrote: »

Regular gas is good. However, that doesn't necessarily mean they're legal.

See http://www.hsa.ie/eng/FAQs/Noise/#7
For "employee" read "staff" _and_ "customers".

Anyone here read Japanese?

Why not exactly? they dont carry any illegal gases and they dont have a muzzle so there is no "muzzle velocity" limit on them,

that link relates to noise in the work place and hos nothing to do with any playing sports (where your there by your own choice), these wouldnt be any louder than having a bus go past you near the pavement or even worse, standing near a police car with the siren on..,;)

kdouglas

trust me, if you're worried about damaging your hearing, you're incredibly over-estimating how loud these things are. If they are a similar noise level to the thumpers (which I would imagine they are), it's more like a loud pop than anything, think of the noise a balloon makes when it bursts, only a little louder.

Witcher

kdouglas wrote: »

trust me, if you're worried about damaging your hearing, you're incredibly over-estimating how loud these things are. If they are a similar noise level to the thumpers (which I would imagine they are), it's more like a loud pop than anything, think of the noise a balloon makes when it bursts, only a little louder.

johnny let a thumper off in kd's ear in hrta by mistake so he knows :pac:

Lemming

Can't beat a 10-gauge (I think it was) flashbang for those JESUSF*CKINCHRISTWTFWASTHATF00KINHELL!!" moments :pac:

NakedDex

Those things are 40 shades of awesome. So simple but truly effective. A resuable flashbang that actually does something to the players around.

Sod'o swords

Wow.
Just wow.



wow.....

OzCam

They do look good, I have to admit. But...

Muzzle velocity isn't the problem, noise-induced hearing damage is.

If these things really do generate 100 dB (Power saw level) to 120dB (jackhammer level), then any site owner who allows them to be used on his premises is absolutely out of his frelling mind. He's taking on a potential 30-year liability.

Accoustic Shock is another can of worms entirely. There are documented cases of ONE exposure to a loud sudden sound over 118dB causing permanent damage. In case of a claim any first-year apprentice lawyer could crucify you after spending 3 hours reading the regs, assuming s/he's a slow reader. :-)

And if these things turn out to be too realistic, I'm sure the Guards and/or DoJ will have something to say about them. The main reason that suppressors are allowed in Airsoft is that they don't really work.

Sorry to rain on the parade guys.

PS: Irish noise regulations are tighter than the UK ones. Just because something's sold in England doesn't mean that it won't get you into a world of trouble here.

NakedDex

Well bearing in mind that a high capacity 40mm grenade when fully gassed will create an instantaneous spike of about 105db and they're widely used and widely available, I don't see how there could be an issue. Those gas "flashbangs" are essentially the same thing as the 40mm grenades in how they create the noise, the only difference being they do it on a timer.

Oh, and there are suppressors in airsoft that do work. Based on exactly the same principles of the real ones, ie, using baffles to change the pressure wave. The VSR G-Spec comes with one as standard, as do a few other subs with integrated silencers.

Masada

I think your being wayyyy too cautous.,


car alarms are on average 120-130 Db, i used to fit them in my old job,

It will take a fair bit more than that to do you any damage, it takes in excess of 180db to cause damage to the ear, I'm partially def from an injury a few years ago and as a result i cant for instance, fire real guns which would be around 140-150db yet regular people can fire them with no problems,

OzCam

105dB is good, well, at least manageable for occasional exposure I suppose.

180dB is now considered way too high. The EU limit is now 140, damage is considered to start at 120, maybe even lower. And those limits are going to come down if anything. Sorry for your hearing damage. The point I should have been stressing is that hearing damage is permanent, and avoidable.

Anyway, Dex, what happened to your sig? It took me a week to figure the damn thing out and now it's missing.

NakedDex

The average person shouting beside you is going to break the 110dB barrier, concerts go well above 120dB. I'm fairly sure there would have been a few thousand people at a certain festival at the weekend who were close enough to the speakers to feel the force of about 150dB too. It's a personal risk, just as the organisers of the festival can't be brought to court over damages to people standing too close to speakers, the same can be said for those who accept the risk of having flashbangs used against them.

As you mentioned, in the UK the noise levels are stricter. They also have pyro flashbangs on site which are louder than the above posted gas one. They're regularly used and come in dozens of varieties from very loud thermobaric grenades to multiple explosion 105dB versions.
By all accounts, these gas ones aren't half as good as their pyro cousins, which means they surely must be safe if the pyro ones are being used in a country with stricter laws on it shouldn't it?


Also, what about my sig? I don't follow?

OzCam

I hope you're right.

105dB is manageable. I think 120dB is problematic in terms of liability. I could be wrong. But until we find out for definite and possibly get a ruling on it, the discussion is moot.

[opinion] The UK noise regs caught up to ours in April 2006. What they do better than us is actually enforce the law as it stands. But that's a discussion for another time & place.[/opinion]

I didn't see your sig on one of the replies, and I missed it.

Thank you.

Witcher

vtec wrote: »

I think your being wayyyy too cautous.,


car alarms are on average 120-130 Db, i used to fit them in my old job,

It will take a fair bit more than that to do you any damage, it takes in excess of 180db to cause damage to the ear, I'm partially def from an injury a few years ago and as a result i cant for instance, fire real guns which would be around 140-150db yet regular people can fire them with no problems,

But people wear earplugs for that, they're mandatory at a clay shoot

It's just sensible too, why take a risk to your hearing for the sake of a pair of good quality

earplugs, this is different to the topic at hand but worth noteing anyway.

A firing a shotgun would expose the ears to about 120dB, and ear protection is required, so if

these grenades go off at 100dB maybe a bit more, its a bit risky, but the 'nade wont be

going off right in your ear like a shotgun, so the distance between the nade and your ear might

reduce the dB somewhat, take for example a nade going off at the foot of a man 5' 9" in height,

the grenade will be about 5' 6" from his ear(roughly) that distance might bring the grenades dB

measure down, making it safer in theory.

what dB thumper grenades go off at? iv had one go off maybe 5 feet from my ear, its a shock,

but I could hear perfectly after it.

kdouglas

I've had a thumper go off about 12 inches from ear and was fine afterwards too