Limerick Northern Distributor Road Plan

topper75

zulutango wrote: »

The LNDR will make some people's lives much easier (in the short term), but the cost or the long term damage doesn't come near to justifying it.

What is the long term damage you refer to? The few fields and trees that might go are not a special ecosystem.

It will offer congestion relief in the long term. Imagine if such arguments has been made against the southern ring road (ignoring the reality of car dependence and wishing it were otherwise) and the traffic of 2018 all had to make do with the Childers road? Limerick City would be like downtown Mumbai.

Summerrose75

topper75 wrote: »

In fairness I don't think anybody is proposing a road that skims the water in the river and continues at grass level through the fields. There would a raised bridge and there would be an embankment created to bring the road out to the Dublin road.

Hard to judge from aerial shot but it seems flooding wasn't more than a meter high in those fields?

Nobody is suggesting that the road is at ground level,the road will not flood as I've already said ,but the concern is for the community,the homes and farms that are along that route

Glenomra

topper75 wrote: »

What is the long term damage you refer to? The few fields and trees that might go are not a special ecosystem.

It will offer congestion relief in the long term. Imagine if such arguments has been made against the southern ring road (ignoring the reality of car dependence and wishing it were otherwise) and the traffic of 2018 all had to make do with the Childers road? Limerick City would be like downtown Mumbai.

I presume from your post that you have not read about the special alluvial ecosystems of traditional floodplains of the River Shannon. The relevant authorities did not grant the area Special Area of Conservation status based 'on a few fields and trees'. At least you are honest in arguing for the construction of a dual-carriageway on a flood-plain in a Special Area of Conservation. As a matter of interest, genuine question, do you think Bord Pleanala etc will give planning permission on this site when alternative crossings, avoiding the floodplain, were available to them. Quite simply from speaking to people, familiar with but independent of, the project, experts or pseudo-experts I am not sure, they will not and if so its back to the drawing Board. And I realise its only a matter of personal opinion.

Summerrose75

topper75 wrote: »

What is the long term damage you refer to? The few fields and trees that might go are not a special ecosystem.

It will offer congestion relief in the long term. Imagine if such arguments has been made against the southern ring road (ignoring the reality of car dependence and wishing it were otherwise) and the traffic of 2018 all had to make do with the Childers road? Limerick City would be like downtown Mumbai.

Few trees and fields?? What about people's homes?? issues with flooding,dividing an entire village in half on the Clare side, crossing the river Shannon at the widest point, pouring more traffic onto an already congested Mackey round about ???

zulutango

The cost of car dependency and urban sprawl is absolutely massive - economically, socially and environmentally. It puts the brakes on long term economic growth too. Build this road and Limerick's ambitions will be seriously compromised.

phog

zulutango wrote: »

But insofar as possible cars shouldn't be a dominant feature of modern, well organised cities.

The LNDR has more to do with moving vehicles around the city than bringing vehicles into or through the city.

phog

Call for fast action on major new €150m ring road around Limerick

LIMERICK City and County Council will shortly deliver an environmental impact assessment in connection with a major new ring road around the urban area.

The disclosure was made by council official Brian Kennedy on foot of a notice of motion by Fianna Fail councillor Joe Pond at this week’s transport committee meeting.

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Metropolitan mayor Daniel Butler added: “I am constantly hearing reports of people taking an hour and a half to get to UL. That’s the same as from here to Galway, and it’s unacceptable.

“We need to be hammering this home day and night. We must keep this on the agenda until we see meaningful progress.”

Mc Love

The road outside finnegans is going to be a cul de sac and a redesign of mackey roundabout to take place? So no change really to the traffic then? They'll be putting a roundabout in at annacotty junction to connect to the new road and a proposed connection to the roundabout beside Johnson & Johnson.

Think they might regret closing off the road outside finnegans

apc

Mc Love wrote: »

The road outside finnegans is going to be a cul de sac and a redesign of mackey roundabout to take place? So no change really to the traffic then? They'll be putting a roundabout in at annacotty junction to connect to the new road and a proposed connection to the roundabout beside Johnson & Johnson.

Think they might regret closing off the road outside finnegans

Where did you read that they're turning the Dublin road into a cul de sac at Finnegan's? I don't remember that part of the plan

Glenomra

I look forward to the environmental report on the consequences of building on a floodplain. Should be interesting reading.

Mc Love

apc wrote: »

Where did you read that they're turning the Dublin road into a cul de sac at Finnegan's? I don't remember that part of the plan

Twitter conversation with Mayor Butler:

https://twitter.com/DanielButlerFG/status/1070608136300576768?s=19

https://www.limerick.ie/council/services/roads-and-travel/road-improvements-and-major-schemes/limerick-northern-distributor

Berty

There is no way Finnegans would become a Cul de Sac. Think about all the Annacotty Ind Estate traffic and the uproar from drivers along with, let's not forget, the new owners of Finnegans.

As somebody who lives in Newport I use that roundabout twice a day. In the mornings it can be bedlam caused by the traffic lights at the Junction to Annacotty Industrial Estate. If the link road begins down from J&J then what does closing off the Dublin road achieve?

If they create a link from that roundabout onto the Northern Distributor road, what benefit does that have for inbound/outbound city traffic?

marno21

Would it be possible to dock the NDR at the Murroe/Cappamore junction and widen the Murroe Road as far as the M7 bridge and put in westbound only facing slips there? Then send westbound traffic via that junction and M7 eastbound/Newport/Castleconnell traffic via Finnegans?

zulutango

Why isn't the existing road network sufficient?

nim1bdeh38l2cw

zulutango wrote: »

Why isn't the existing road network sufficient?

Have you seen it recently?

dashoonage

zulutango wrote: »

Why isn't the existing road network sufficient?

Tis a fine auld road really. tis the auld increase in traffic is the issue.

Vanquished

dashoonage wrote: »

Tis a fine auld road really. tis the auld increase in traffic is the issue.

And what will this new road lead to? Only yet more traffic. The swathes of open countryside will be carved up by developers to build sprawling, low density housing estates and other car focused developments. The result will be yet more traffic and more congestion. People will whinge that "the traffic is a disgrace Joe" and the cycle will repeat itself again. Insanity!

Summerrose75

Vanquished wrote: »

And what will this new road lead to? Only yet more traffic. The swathes of open countryside will be carved up by developers to build sprawling, low density housing estates and other car focused developments. The result will be yet more traffic and more congestion. People will whinge that "the traffic is a disgrace Joe" and the cycle will repeat itself again. Insanity!

Couldn't agree more !

Mc Love

Two nice tweets from our friendly neighborhood An Taisce-man

https://twitter.com/AnTaisce_Limk/status/1070768049064697857

https://twitter.com/AnTaisce_Limk/status/1070768935312728064

mitresize5

40 minutes to get from Griffins Cross to the Greenhills yesterday at 8:15am and ironically only another 60 from there to Galway.

Build the bloody thing!!

Summerrose75

Has anyone any idea when the final design will go on public display or at least can be viewed via any website

LeoD

mitresize5 wrote: »

40 minutes to get from Griffins Cross to the Greenhills yesterday at 8:15am and ironically only another 60 from there to Galway.

Build the bloody thing!!

You mightn't like it but this is exactly why it shouldn't be built.

geotrig

LeoD wrote: »

You mightn't like it but this is exactly why it shouldn't be built.

O_o ?

Reputable Rog

mitresize5 wrote: »

40 minutes to get from Griffins Cross to the Greenhills yesterday at 8:15am and ironically only another 60 from there to Galway.

Build the bloody thing!!

Maddens Cross, you should have gone via Ardnacrusha.

geotrig

Vanquished wrote: »

And what will this new road lead to? Only yet more traffic. The swathes of open countryside will be carved up by developers to build sprawling, low density housing estates and other car focused developments. The result will be yet more traffic and more congestion. People will whinge that "the traffic is a disgrace Joe" and the cycle will repeat itself again. Insanity!

But that is only due to the fact when any new housing is built no improvements are made to the bus services to service these areas or cycles way either. I'm not aware of any or many bus routes that have expanded in recent years, we need A mix of high rise and low density building
to develop a balanced city and not doing our usual of focusing on 1 type of answer. High rise needs tax incentives and maybe regulation changes to get devolpers on board outside of Dublin,
but the traffic out that side isn't anything new either, 15 years ago it was similar if not worse if you ask me as traffic only had one way to go and used to be backed up out the Dublin road at times ,improvements have been made but more can be done on services and infrastructure.

geotrig

Vanquished wrote: »

And what will this new road lead to? Only yet more traffic. The swathes of open countryside will be carved up by developers to build sprawling, low density housing estates and other car focused developments. The result will be yet more traffic and more congestion. People will whinge that "the traffic is a disgrace Joe" and the cycle will repeat itself again. Insanity!

Again has this happened much on the n18 side ,no most developments that happened in raheen/ Mungret ,as they where under county council and would have happened as it was seen as The "good side" of town to develop in.

geotrig

zulutango wrote: »

Why isn't the existing road network sufficient?

Why is it sufficient? Are you saying we don't need better infrastructure or improvements to what we have? Yes it's busting at the seems but bus eireann don't add new buses or routes all that often and I don't see them starting soon either , we are not getting a luas or light rail system or any equivalent either not even a monorail :pac: I just don't see how you think our infrastructure is adequate when for years if not longer some business has highlighted the lack of infaststructure investment outside of Dublin being an issue.
If we don't start investing and planning for the future Limerick will be left behind again.

Are you in favour of any roads been built?

mgbgt1978

LeoD wrote: »

You mightn't like it but this is exactly why it shouldn't be built.

Go on. Amuse me :rolleyes:.

mitresize5

LeoD wrote: »

You mightn't like it but this is exactly why it shouldn't be built.

Go on. Enlighten me

nim1bdeh38l2cw

mitresize5 wrote: »

40 minutes to get from Griffins Cross to the Greenhills yesterday at 8:15am and ironically only another 60 from there to Galway.

Build the bloody thing!!

Why didn't you come across by Ardnacrusha & Meelick?

Our local An Taisce representative zulutango won't be happy until we replace all the roads with dirt tracks, and have skyscrapers in the city