Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

zing

The TB article in full

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/07/28/robbie-keane-set-to-complete-liverpool-fc-move-100252-21417676/

Also states Rafa is still deteremined to get Barry

Karmafaerie

Boggles wrote: »

Good Signing! He is a fan aswell I think?

Where did Liverpool get 20 million?

Wow.

You don't even think that Liverpool had a transfer budget of around £7-8,000,000!

That's fairly delusional Boggie.

Karmafaerie

zing wrote: »

The TB article in full

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/07/28/robbie-keane-set-to-complete-liverpool-fc-move-100252-21417676/

Also states Rafa is still deteremined to get Barry

Oh no, how dare Rafa imply that he's still interested in Barry!
I'm waiting for MON to start screaming about Rafa working through the media again!!!:rolleyes:

Dr_MaSoN

Boggles wrote: »

Good Signing! He is a fan aswell I think?

Where did Liverpool get 20 million?

Yeah , big pool fan.

Mr Alan

another captain signed by Rafa

raven136

has any manager other than rafa been more interested in having captains of clubs/national teams in his squad

meditraitor

I like Robbie but is he worth £18/20 miliion? Im not convinced.

£12m at most

Hobart

meditraitor wrote: »

I like Robbie but is he worth £18/20 miliion? Im not convinced.

£12m at most

Probably, but then again I remember some (in particular) Manu fans saying that Torres would get 10-15 goals at most last year, after we signed him. The smell of egg on face was terrible.

12M, 18M, 20M, who cares, as long as he delivers?

The premium comes when you are a cut above the rest in the Prem and have a recent CL win to your name. Just look at the way the prices are hiked for Chelsea and Manu.

Mr Alan

meditraitor wrote: »

I like Robbie but is he worth £18/20 miliion? Im not convinced.

£12m at most

no offence mate, but if you were to adopt that approach you'd have us in mid table in no time.

Robbie Keane is DEFINATELY worth 18m in todays market, in fact with rumours of 30-35m for Berbatov, Robbie for 18 is a steal.

top clubs have to pay top prices for top players.

meditraitor

Mr Alan wrote: »

no offence mate, but if you were to adopt that approach you'd have us in mid table in no time.

Robbie Keane is DEFINATELY worth 18m in todays market, in fact with rumours of 30-35m for Berbatov, Robbie for 18 is a steal.

top clubs have to pay top prices for top players.

The approach of paying over the odds for players is not an approach I would take.

WE got lucky with Torres but we have had a fnuckload of rubbish forwards before him
Cisses-Hadj Diouf- etc etc

What makes Keane a 20 miliion £ player? I just cant see it.

Im not a rose tinted liverpool/Ireland fan, I remember many times watching Keane play rubbish for club and country and this is what makes me question his worth.
He is 28 now so if he was going to be considered anything other than just a good player he would have shone before now.

In saying that I hope your right and Im wrong

Mr Alan

does Keanes scoring and assists ratio in the PL over the last 4-5 years not make him a 20m player?

_blank_

He's bleedin' class for Spurs.

Shíte for Ireland though.

prendy

im happy that the keane thing is nearly over,a very good signing

but we still have no wingers and with crouch gone i think our plan B options are very limited?

i mean all our front 4-5(torres keane kuyt stevie babel) are capable of scoring but against stubborn opposition what do we do after 70-80 mins if its scoreless to change things?

are yossi and pennant good enough to impact games that need something different?

what do ye think?

Hobart

meditraitor wrote: »

The approach of paying over the odds for players is not an approach I would take.

WE got lucky with Torres but we have had a fnuckload of rubbish forwards before him
Cisses-Hadj Diouf- etc etc

What makes Keane a 20 miliion £ player? I just cant see it.

Im not a rose tinted liverpool/Ireland fan, I remember many times watching Keane play rubbish for club and country and this is what makes me question his worth.
He is 28 now so if he was going to be considered anything other than just a good player he would have shone before now.

In saying that I hope your right and Im wrong

Paying over the odds for players, is the reality when you are a top 4 team. It's nor right, it's just the way things are. Utd have just agreed a 32M STG deal for Tevez (or at least that's the most reported figure). He's a fine player, but 32M? I don't think so.

Comparing Keane playing for Ireland V Keane playing for Spurs or Liverpool is silly tbh. They are 2(3) totally different teams.

zing

Hobart wrote: »

12M, 18M, 20M, who cares, as long as he delivers

+1

I can understand why some people won't get excited by this signing but his record the the PL over the last few years speaks for itself. If he can continue the form he's had for spurs he'll be worth every penny of 20m.

Karmafaerie

Keane is worth £18,000,000 every day of the week!
I wouldn't have been put out if we had, had to pay £25,000,000 for him TBH!
When Tezez with 15 goals last season costs £32,000,000 million, then anyone that thinks that Keane with 23 isn't worth £18,000,000 needs to get their head examined!;)

meditraitor

Hobart wrote: »

Comparing Keane playing for Ireland V Keane playing for Spurs or Liverpool is silly tbh. They are 2(3) totally different teams.

He is not a world beater

Stats dont show everything and he does not always shine for Spurs!

he is a 10 -15 goal a season League player (full season. regular starter)

I really do hope he is as good as some of you guys think he is but I dont see how being a bit cynical is silly?

prendy

if he gets 15 goals a season for us we'll all be happy!

monkey9

It's not just his goals. I doubt Rafa is buying him as an out and out goalscorer. Hopefully, Torres will get into the twenties again this season. Keane can create a lot of chances, open up defences and also play in a number positions in various formations. I think he brings a lot to this squad, and as Karma said, i'd have no problem with Liverpool paying over the twenty million mark so eighteen mil is a great price i think, for us as well as Spurs who are making a great profit on him after years of brilliant service.

meditraitor

You guys might be right in your assumtion that he will be great for the team but only time will tell.
Lets hope that he can help us beat one or all of the big teams......... because that is what will make us into real title challengers.
Nothing else

Karmafaerie

meditraitor wrote: »

He is not a world beater

Stats dont show everything and he does not always shine for Spurs!

he is a 10 -15 goal a season League player (full season. regular starter)

I really do hope he is as good as some of you guys think he is but I dont see how being a bit cynical is silly?

Really?!

You should probably tell Spurs fans then, cause he's been voted their player of the season twice in the last three years.

You should also tell their staff, cause Martin Jol said that he's one of the best players he's ever worked with!:rolleyes:

DeadSkin

Des wrote: »

Shíte for Ireland though.

33 goals in 81 games for Ireland

meditraitor

Jesus lads - its not Lional Messi or Kaka we are signing here. My doubts about his true value seem to have exposed some strange notions.
Keane is not world class and never will be. Thats not to say he is useless but he is only a good premier league player.
Nobody here can assure me that his purchase will be the last piece of the Jigsaw to help us win the Premiership which is what we all want in our hearts.

Only time will tell

mike65

33 goals in 81 games for Ireland

Most of them have come in spurts against crap teams. Still thats a seperate topic.

Mike.

missingtime

He's another piece of the puzzle if you ask me. 18m is a fair enough price I think. He's proven in the premiership, scores plenty of goals, allowed berbatov to score plenty of goals, he's a boyhood liverpool fan and a workhorse.
I didn't particularly like him that much but most of my viewing of him was in a green shirt and very few players looked good in that green shirt.
Welcome to the team Robbie

Chardee MacDennis

mike65 wrote: »

Most of them have come in spurts against crap teams. Still thats a seperate topic.

Mike.

coz we all know goals against crap teams dont count

If players of the standard of Carrick, Hargreaves, Jo, and Barry are worth 17-18m, Keane is definitely worth it. in fact in todays market i would see that as some what of a bargain - Crouch plus 6m cant go wrong....

HashSlinging

A little something of what to expect..


http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=8fob012r4AM

They were quick getting this together.

Karmafaerie

meditraitor wrote: »

Jesus lads - its not Lional Messi or Kaka we are signing here. My doubts about his true value seem to have exposed some strange notions.
Keane is not world class and never will be. Thats not to say he is useless but he is only a good premier league player.
Nobody here can assure me that his purchase will be the last piece of the Jigsaw to help us win the Premiership which is what we all want in our hearts.

Only time will tell

No, we're not talking about Messi or Kaka, but then we're not talking about £50,000,000 either now are we.

Bent cost £18,000,000.
You saying that Keane isn't as good as Bent?

How about Amauri?
Who?
He's the 28 year old Brazillian striker that Juventus just paid £18,000,000 for.
Zarate cost £20,000,000
Jo cost £19,000,000.

You get the idea?

Keane for £18,000,000 is a steal.
To say that he's worth £12,000,000 cause he's not Messi or Kaka is a bit ridiculous to be honest.

missingtime

HashSlinging wrote: »

A little something of what to expect..


http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=8fob012r4AM

They were quick getting this together.

I like the way they focus on the goals against liverpool just a little longer than the rest.

The goal against chelsea for 4-4 was sweet.

Here, what are the odds - first goal for liverpool, he does that cartwheel celebration.

eZe^

Karmafaerie wrote: »

When Tezez with 15 goals last season costs £32,000,000 million,

Jaysus, 32 million million... What a rip off...:D

HashSlinging

I dont care if he does the cartwheel celebration, as long as he's knockin them in. He's a great guy is a fantastic signing, very surprised at the price tag though but thats the prem for you.

Karmafaerie

mike65 wrote: »

Most of them have come in spurts against crap teams. Still thats a seperate topic.

Mike.

1999-09-01 Landsdowne Road, Dublin Yugoslavia 2-1 UEFA Euro 2000 qualifying 1 (3)
1999-11-13 Landsdowne Road, Dublin Turkey 1-1 UEFA Euro 2000 qualifying 1 (5)
2001-11-10 Landsdowne Road, Dublin Czech Republic 2-0 Friendly match 1 (6)
2000-09-02 Amsterdam ArenA, Amsterdam Netherlands 2-2 2002 FIFA World Cup qualification 1 (7)
2001-11-10 Landsdowne Road, Dublin Iran 2-0 2002 FIFA World Cup qualification 1 (8)
2002-02-13 Landsdowne Road, Dublin Russia 2-0 Friendly match 1 (9)
2002-06-05 Kashima Stadium, Kashima, Ibaraki Germany 1-1 2002 FIFA World Cup 1 (11)
2002-06-11 International Stadium of Yokohama, Yokohama Saudi Arabia 3-0 2002 FIFA World Cup 1 (12)
2002-06-16 Suwon Big Bird Stadium, Suwon Spain 1-1 2002 FIFA World Cup 1 (13)
2004-03-31 Landsdowne Road, Dublin Czech Republic 2-1 Friendly match 1 (19)
2004-06-05 Amsterdam ArenA, Amsterdam Netherlands 1-0 Friendly match 1 (20)
2004-11-16 Landsdowne Road, Dublin Croatia 1-0 Friendly match 1 (24)
2006-03-01 Landsdowne Road, Dublin Sweden 3-0 Friendly match 1 (26)
2008-05-29 Craven Cottage, London Colombia 1-0 Friendly match 1 (33)

You know, for a player who doesn't score against top class opposition, or in big games.
He's got a horrible habit of scoring against top class opposition, and in important games!

Holland, Spain, Germany, Croatia, Yugoslavia, Czech Republic, Sweden, Scoring the goal that got us to the World Cup.
Scoring in all bar one of our games in the world cup!

Yeah, he's a joke for Ireland!:rolleyes:

meditraitor

Karmafaerie wrote: »

No, we're not talking about Messi or Kaka, but then we're not talking about £50,000,000 either now are we.

Bent cost £18,000,000.
You saying that Keane isn't as good as Bent?

How about Amauri?
Who?
He's the 28 year old Brazillian striker that Juventus just paid £18,000,000 for.
Zarate cost £20,000,000
Jo cost £19,000,000.

You get the idea?

Keane for £18,000,000 is a steal.
To say that he's worth £12,000,000 cause he's not Messi or Kaka is a bit ridiculous to be honest.

You made my point

We do not want a Bent. And to suggest that 18million for an average Premiershiip player is rediculous.

Spurs are rubbing thier hands with glee "these fnuking idiots want to give us 20m for keane" Even the spurs fans on this site are happy to let him go for that!!!!!!
If he was as much of a talent as you think they would not be selling him.

You should take those green tinted glasses of and get real

_blank_

Why have you posted five friendly matches as evidence of goalscoring in important games?

Karmafaerie

eZe^ wrote: »

Jaysus, 32 million million... What a rip off...:D

:D

herbieflowers

Hey, let's hope Benitez doesn't plonk Kenae on the wing, seems to have a penchant for doing that with all his strikers bar King Fernando!

missingtime

meditraitor wrote: »

You made my point

We do not want a Bent. And to suggest that 18million for an average Premiershiip player is rediculous.

Spurs are rubbing thier hands with glee "these fnuking idiots want to give us 20m for keane" Even the spurs fans on this site are happy to let him go for that!!!!!!
If he was as much of a talent as you think they would not be selling him.

You should take those green tinted glasses of and get real

It doesn't matter what the cost is if it works. Utd paid 18m for carrick and won the premier league.

Sherifu

Des wrote: »

Why have you posted five friendly matches as evidence of goalscoring in important games?

Well we aren't qualifying for anything so I guess they're kind of important.

meditraitor

missingtime wrote: »

It doesn't matter what the cost is if it works. Utd paid 18m for carrick and won the premier league.

True. but they were a lot closer to it before the purchase than we are now....

Karmafaerie

Des wrote: »

Why have you posted five friendly matches as evidence of goalscoring in important games?

Well

Karmafaerie wrote:

You know, for a player who doesn't score against top class opposition, or in big games.

Cause as I said, top class opotition, or in big games.

The Dutch, and Czechs were some of the best in the world at the time.
The Russians, weren't world beaters, but still good.
The Sweeds were great (Larson and Zlatan!)
The point still stands though.
Keane scores consistantly, against whomever he plays, at whichever level he plays.

Or is 3 goals in 4 games in the World Cup not enough?!

missingtime

meditraitor wrote: »

True. but they were a lot closer to it before the purchase than we are now....

Perhaps. One more piece of the puzzle is needed. Hopefully we'll get it this summer.

monkey9

meditraitor wrote: »

You made my point

We do not want a Bent. And to suggest that 18million for an average Premiershiip player is rediculous.

Spurs are rubbing thier hands with glee "these fnuking idiots want to give us 20m for keane" Even the spurs fans on this site are happy to let him go for that!!!!!!
If he was as much of a talent as you think they would not be selling him.

You should take those green tinted glasses of and get real

There's no green tinted glasses here. Him being Irish has nothing to do with it, in fact i could turn that around and say if he was Spanish and doing for Valencia in La Liga what he's being doing for Spurs these past few seasons, people would be talking about a bargain of 18m.

Karmafaerie

meditraitor wrote: »

You made my point

We do not want a Bent. And to suggest that 18million for an average Premiershiip player is rediculous.

Spurs are rubbing thier hands with glee "these fnuking idiots want to give us 20m for keane" Even the spurs fans on this site are happy to let him go for that!!!!!!
If he was as much of a talent as you think they would not be selling him.

You should take those green tinted glasses of and get real

You said Keane isn't worth £18,000,000.
A number of people here said he is.
You're reasoning for him to not be worth £18,000,000 is that he's not Messi or Kaka!
Well if you can get us either of those players for £18,000,000 I'll back you as the God of the universe!
In fact, if you can get either of them for twice that, I'll back you!
You can't say that Keane isn't worth £18,000,000 cause he's not as good as a player who's worth £50,000,000!
That make any sense to you at all?!!

I listed 4 players who were recently (or a year ago in Bents case) bought for £18,000,000 or more.
Keane is better than all of them!
How can you not understand the simple logic in that?!
It doesn't matter if you think he's not worth £18,000,000.
The football world in general think he is!
Prices go up from one season to another!!!!!:rolleyes:

Mr Alan

that was a pretty super post karma

herbieflowers

Does anyone know what Pool's transfer kitty is? I know they sold Crouch, but wasn't the move for Barry dependent on them offloading Alonso?

sweetie

if andy johnson is worth 12 then keane is worth 24 mill. Delighted with this signing and great to have another Irishman at the club. He deserves a crack at the big time and champions league (no disrespect to Spurs, I like the way they play the game)

meditraitor

Karmafaerie wrote: »

You said Keane isn't worth £18,000,000.
A number of people here said he is.:

Thats fine I agree, I think he is worth max 12m and some of the other think he is worth 18.
OK fair point

Karmafaerie wrote: »

You're reasoning for him to not be worth £18,000,000 is that he's not Messi or Kaka!
Well if you can get us either of those players for £18,000,000 I'll back you as the God of the universe!:

You should never put words into people mouths-or make up things to post to make a point

My point about KAKA and Messi is that they are the type of players that its worth getting excited over not Robbie Keane but whatever floats your boat

Karmafaerie wrote: »

In fact, if you can get either of them for twice that, I'll back you!
You can't say that Keane isn't worth £18,000,000 cause he's not as good as a player who's worth £50,000,000!
That make any sense to you at all?!!:

What type of nonsense is this? Is that the best you can do, make things up to validate your post?

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I listed 4 players who were recently (or a year ago in Bents case) bought for £18,000,000 or more.
Keane is better than all of them!:

And bent is pure tripe, Spurs made a very bad decision and now maybe its time for the Ying of that yang
Spending too much on Bent and getting to much for Keane (see your name --- Karma)

Karmafaerie wrote: »

How can you not understand the simple logic in that?!
It doesn't matter if you think he's not worth £18,000,000.
The football world in general think he is!
Prices go up from one season to another!!!!!:rolleyes:

With an imagination like yours I can understand why you think Keane for 20m is a bargain but we all dont live in the clouds!

Cop on

Mr Alan

can i just say i think Bent is an excellent player.

raven136

keane is worth 18m.He scores goals,he is experienced and he is a premiership player,all 3 factors make him an 18-20m player.
Being based in england makes you more expensive.
Johnson and Saha are talked about as 10-14m players so keane is worth it,

If someone told you we were getting spain/italy's captain and record goalscorer who scored 15-20 league goals a season im sure you would be pretty fcuking excited.

spockety

Keane's monetary value is not really worth debating at all. In fact, very few transfers have a value that is worth debating at the time they are signed.

The world will know within 2 seasons if Liverpool got value for money when buying Robbie Keane.