Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Tusky

yom 1 wrote: »

you must have just turned 28 then! no!



i'll get my coat

If they are both with Liverpool for 3 years they will be 30 & 31 respectively. That is old in football terms. We have just seen a 30 year old Deco sold for 8m. How much will a 30 year old Gareth Barry or a 31 year old Keane be worth ?

It IS a lot of money for players of that age. If they help Liverpool win trophy's then its worth it, but if not, theres no plan B.

If Torres didnt work out the majority of the money could have been recouped. That isnt the case with Barry & Keane.

Mr Alan

Tusky wrote: »

That isnt the case with Barry & Keane.

or Villa-who would cost about 30million and has never played in the PL

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

or Villa-who would cost about 30million and has never played in the PL

Yes, but I think theres a notable difference in quality between Villa & Keane. Villa is in the top 5 strikers on the planet in my opinion. Also, Villa would have a much higher resale value than Keane and is 1 & 1/2 years younger.

Its not so much the signing of Keane that I'm worried about, its the combined signing of Keane & Barry considering their age and the combined cost.

Chardee MacDennis

Tusky wrote: »

If they are both with Liverpool for 3 years they will be 30 & 31 respectively. That is old in football terms. We have just seen a 30 year old Deco sold for 8m. How much will a 30 year old Gareth Barry or a 31 year old Keane be worth ?

It IS a lot of money for players of that age. If they help Liverpool win trophy's then its worth it, but if not, theres no plan B.

If Torres didnt work out the majority of the money could have been recouped. That isnt the case with Barry & Keane.

by the time they are 30/31 then the youngsters will be ready to become first choice - it is really a perfect set up for them. if we go out and buy Silva and Villa it really limits the options for Nemeth, Pacheco, etc for the next 5 -8 years rather than the next 3.

imho rafa is stalking a lot on the youngsters and, from what i have seen and heard of them, with good reason...

Tusky

BastardPrince wrote: »

by the time they are 30/31 then the youngsters will be ready to become first choice - it is really a perfect set up for them. if we go out and buy Silva and Villa it really limits the options for Nemeth, Pacheco, etc for the next 5 -8 years rather than the next 3.

imho rafa is stalking a lot on the youngsters and, from what i have seen and heard of them, with good reason...

pft, theres no guarantee that the youngsters will be good enough to be 3rd or 4th choice in the first team never mind 1st.

mayordenis

look they are both good purchases both hitting their peak we did someone to deliver now we don't need a ****ing resale value tusky - we need quality on the pitch here and now. END.

Mr Alan

people moan when we sign unproven players, people moan when we sign a rake of 5-7m pound players instead of genuine class players, people moan when we sign proven class premierleague players for big money?!

wat the **** can Rafa do?!:(

missingtime

Mr Alan wrote: »

people moan when we sign unproven players, people moan when we sign a rake of 5-7m pound players instead of genuine class players, people moan when we sign proven class premierleague players for big money?!

wat the **** can Rafa do?!:(

QFT

zing

+1

Tusky

mayordenis wrote: »

look they are both good purchases both hitting their peak we did someone to deliver now we don't need a ****ing resale value tusky - we need quality on the pitch here and now. END.

End ? You don't get to end the discussion just because you dont agree with me. I'm not saying they are bad buys, Im just saying that its a bit risky.

And dont be silly, maybe fans dont think about things like resale value but managers certainly do. If in 3 or 4 years, Liverpool havent progressed and Keane/Barry get sold on for 1/4 of what they were bought for, these transfers will look like bad business. Thats all I'm saying.

---

Reina

Arbeloa--Carra---Skrtel---Dossena

---

Masch

Babel

---

Gerrard

---

Barry

---

Keane---Torres

Wonder if we will see something like this. It would allow Keane & Torres to play together while keeping Gerrard in the middle. Barry would be able to drop back alongside Masch when Gerrard got forward. Theres certainly a lot of goals in the team.

Mr Alan wrote: »

people moan when we sign unproven players, people moan when we sign a rake of 5-7m pound players instead of genuine class players, people moan when we sign proven class premierleague players for big money?!

wat the **** can Rafa do?!:(

How am I moaning ? I'm delighted we signed Keane and cant wait to see him play. I'm just pointing out a possible negative to the combined transfers. Hardly moaning.

rosboy

Tusky wrote: »

Yes, but I think theres a notable difference in quality between Villa & Keane. Villa is in the top 5 strikers on the planet in my opinion. Also, Villa would have a much higher resale value than Keane and is 1 & 1/2 years younger.

Its not so much the signing of Keane that I'm worried about, its the combined signing of Keane & Barry considering their age and the combined cost.

I understand your concerns Tusky. TBH only time will tell whether they will work out or not. By spending big money on Keane & Barry Rafa is trying to negate some of the risk in bringing in big money signings. He sees both as proven EPL players who have a lot of experience and maturity. He has opted for this over players like Villa/Silva who have massive ability & skill but are unproven in the EPL.

Whether Rafa is right or not, we'll know in about 10 months. We may come back with two flops (Keane & Barry) and ask why didn't Rafa go for class players like Villa & Silva, in which case you can come back and dig out some of the posts from today and say "I told ye so":p.

But for the time being....


In Rafa We Trust!

~Rebel~

ok, my new wishful thinking plan.

Sell;
Alonso 15
Pennant 6
Finnan 2
Itandje 2
Voronin 4
Total 29m

Buy;
Barry 18
Silva 18
Total 36m

That assumes we have 7mill in the coffers

Alternatively;

Sell;
Finnan 2
Itandje 2
Voronin 4
Pennant 6
Total 14

Buy;
Silva 18(ish)

Either option would leave us with a very strong first team;
Arbeloa--Carra--Agger--Dossena

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Masch--Baronso
--Keane--Gerrard--Silva

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Torres

with a very strong bench
skrtel
Aurelio
Degen
Lucas
Yossi
Kuyt
Babel
Ngog

Mr Alan

Tusky wrote: »

How am I moaning ? I'm delighted we signed Keane and cant wait to see him play. I'm just pointing out a possible negative to the combined transfers. Hardly moaning.

didnt mean to single out you mate, just a little tiresome, Rafa is doing well in the market this summer, there can be negatives to any transfer-thats goes without saying.

AdrianII

Tusky wrote: »

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Reina

Arbeloa--Carra---Skrtel---Dossena

---

Masch

Babel

---

Gerrard

---

Barry

---

Keane---Torres

What about Agger??? He would get his game ahead of Skrtel

Totally agree with Mr Alan here, we need good players now, people were giving out when he bought young lads, average players, he is now buying players in there prime. If will win the league next season keane and barry will have payed for themselves. End of

Tusky

~Rebel~ wrote: »

ok, my new wishful thinking plan.

Sell;
Alonso 15
Pennant 6
Finnan 2
Itandje 2
Voronin 4
Total 29m

Buy;
Barry 18
Silva 18
Total 36m

That assumes we have 7mill in the coffers

Alternatively;

Sell;
Finnan 2
Itandje 2
Voronin 4
Pennant 6
Total 14

Buy;
Silva 18(ish)

Either option would leave us with a very strong first team;
Arbeloa--Carra--Agger--Dossena

---

Masch--Baronso
--Keane--Gerrard--Silva

---

Torres

with a very strong bench
skrtel
Aurelio
Degen
Lucas
Yossi
Kuyt
Babel
Ngog

That would be fantastic. It doesnt even have to be Silva, just some quality in the wide areas.

rosboy wrote: »

I understand your concerns Tusky. TBH only time will tell whether they will work out or not. By spending big money on Keane & Barry Rafa is trying to negate some of the risk in bringing in big money signings. He sees both as proven EPL players who have a lot of experience and maturity. He has opted for this over players like Villa/Silva who have massive ability & skill but are unproven in the EPL.

Whether Rafa is right or not, we'll know in about 10 months. We may come back with two flops (Keane & Barry) and ask why didn't Rafa go for class players like Villa & Silva, in which case you can come back and dig out some of the posts from today and say "I told ye so":p.

But for the time being....


In Rafa We Trust!

I dont think the question is ; Will do they be a flop ?

The question is ; Will they improve the team ENOUGH? I dont think either of them will be flops...but will they have a big enough impact ? Youre right, only time will tell.

Mr Alan wrote: »

didnt mean to single out you mate, just a little tiresome, Rafa is doing well in the market this summer, there can be negatives to any transfer-thats goes without saying.

Cool beans.

AdrianII wrote: »

What about Agger??? He would get his game ahead of Skrtel

Totally agree with Mr Alan here, we need good players now, people were giving out when he bought young lads, average players, he is now buying players in there prime. If will win the league next season keane and barry will have payed for themselves. End of

Nobody is disputing that if we win the league the transfers would be good business, of course they would!

In regards to Agger - hes been out for a year. It will depend how well he settles back in. I was very very impressed with Skrtel last year. He will be difficult to dislodge.

missingtime

Tusky wrote: »

If in 3 or 4 years, Liverpool havent progressed and Keane/Barry get sold on for 1/4 of what they were bought for, these transfers will look like bad business. Thats all I'm saying.

There is a greater chance of Keane and Barry doing better than Villa and Silva.
Granted I dont think Barry is worth what is being asked but if Gerrard and Rafa seem to think he's right for the team....

Rafa seems to be looking at the way utd won the league but also adapting his own style.

I'm actually quietly positive about the way he's going about things.

Mr Alan

me thinks Agger and Skrtel will be our number one partnership for a number of games next year.

rosboy

Tusky wrote: »

I dont think the question is ; Will do they be a flop ?

The question is ; Will they improve the team ENOUGH? I dont think either of them will be flops...but will they have a big enough impact ? Youre right, only time will tell.

Sorry, flops was the wrong word. I meant what you said above about "improving the team enough", rather than flop.

~Rebel~

Tusky wrote: »

That would be fantastic. It doesnt even have to be Silva, just some quality in the wide areas.

True, in fact I'd avsolutely love Luis Suarez who could be gotten for just the other guys sale costs, without needing extra.

jesus_thats_gre

monkey9 wrote: »

The thing about quoting Villa or Silva, how long would it take them to settle in the Prem. By buying Keane and persuing Barry shows that Rafa is prioritising the league by buying Premier League players in their prime

This is the most important point in all this discussion about Villa and Silva..


In my opinion, Rafa is really planning to make a real push for the PL this season.

rosboy

~Rebel~ wrote: »

True, in fact I'd avsolutely love Luis Suarez who could be gotten for just the other guys sale costs, without needing extra.

Suarez won't be cheap. There were reports a few weeks ago of Liverpool having bid about 20m (not sure if its € or £) for him. I can't find any proper link, except this one from some Ajax paper (its in Dutch before you try and read it though;)).

http://ajaxtoday.nl/nieuws/1057?PHPSESSID=4iennv0s8jhn09u26fuv6k44d7

missingtime

rosboy wrote: »

Suarez won't be cheap. There were reports a few weeks ago of Liverpool having bid about 20m (not sure if its € or £) for him. I can't find any proper link, except this one from some Ajax paper (its in Dutch before you try and read it though;)).

http://ajaxtoday.nl/nieuws/1057?PHPSESSID=4iennv0s8jhn09u26fuv6k44d7

Translated :cool: (bablefish...grammer is weird though)

Liverpool offer 20 millions for delouse Suárez
Published on 2008-07-05 22:14: 17 Jeronimo
EXCLUDING - the redactie of AjaxToday.nl has learned reliable source that Liverpool have done an offer of for and close the 20 millions on Ajax-aanvaller delouse Suárez. The Reds see the ideal attacking strengthening for next season in Uruguayaans the international. Suárez will not have indicated themselves however to United Kingdom relocate to want. Because of this a passage to Liverpool seems rather improbable.

Moreover the same source communicates that the arrival of the Brazilian proponent Henrique to Ajax nearly around is. Kersverse purchase of FC Barcelona is rented for one season by the Amsterdammers.

monkey9

missingtime wrote: »

Translated :cool: (bablefish...grammer is weird though)

Liverpool offer 20 millions for delouse Suárez
Published on 2008-07-05 22:14: 17 Jeronimo
EXCLUDING - the redactie of AjaxToday.nl has learned reliable source that Liverpool have done an offer of for and close the 20 millions on Ajax-aanvaller delouse Suárez. The Reds see the ideal attacking strengthening for next season in Uruguayaans the international. Suárez will not have indicated themselves however to United Kingdom relocate to want. Because of this a passage to Liverpool seems rather improbable.

Moreover the same source communicates that the arrival of the Brazilian proponent Henrique to Ajax nearly around is. Kersverse purchase of FC Barcelona is rented for one season by the Amsterdammers.

Ha Ha!! What the hell was that about!!!

missingtime

monkey9 wrote: »

Ha Ha!! What the hell was that about!!!

heh heh. its great isn't it.

mayordenis

I just can't fathom how you can consider keane and barry a rick, compared to palyers from different leagues.

Malice

Now it appears Barry is staying with Villa. From here:

Aston Villa have announced that Liverpool transfer target Gareth Barry will be staying with them.
Reports earlier on Wednesday had suggested Villa and Liverpool were close to agreeing a deal to take the England international to Anfield.
But the summer-long saga appears to finally have been brought to a close by a statement on Villa's official website at around 5pm BST.
It read: "This evening, Aston Villa can announce that Gareth Barry will be staying with the club following the interest from Liverpool over recent months.
"During discussions in the past few days, a final deadline to conclude this episode was set that all parties were aware of and agreed to. This deadline has now passed and so Gareth will remain with Villa."
Earlier this week Rafa Benitez confirmed that he still wanted to sign Barry despite splashing out £18million on Tottenham striker Robbie Keane.
But he admitted he would have to sell players in order to fund a deal for the England midfielder.
It appears he couldn't manage to do that in time to meet Villa's deadline.

missingtime

Smells like complete BS.

Mr Alan

in fairness, were Villa to announce to the world that Barry was staying and then sell him, that would be quite embarrasing for them.

i think thats it finished now.

Silva please Rafa!!!!

c_o_ck p_i_ss chillage

http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~1354618,00.html

"This evening, Aston Villa can announce that Gareth Barry will be staying with the club following the interest from Liverpool over recent months.

During discussions in the past few days, a final deadline to conclude this episode was set that all parties were aware of and agreed to. This deadline has now passed and so Gareth will remain with Villa."

Official.

dardoz

guys according to entertainment.ie the match kicks off at 8.30.... didnt someone just tell me 6?

edit my mistake... someone said 8.30 and i somehow read 18.30


<-- dumbass

mike65

Good, now I hear there is a match on tonight.....

Mike.

Mr Alan

yea, for some reason i'm really looking forward to it too, despite the rest of the preseasons not being much bothered about

decent opposition i suppose, plus Nemeth

MementoMori

Ngog, Nemeth and Keane all to score on their debuts tonight please.:D

On the rumoured sale front, given the Barry deal is now off the table, I wonder if we will see any interest in Finnan from any other clubs?

After Itandje, I think Finann and Pennant are the most likely movers. Could see us hanging onto Steve though with Degen injured and Arbeloa's injury record. Keane's ability to play on the right probably mean less playing time this season for Pennant this season. If he moved to Blackburn he'd probably be an automatic starter every week.

I don't see Benayoun being sold and especially not for £6m.:mad: Maybe at double that.

Given we've signed two strikers for the first-team squad (along with the sale of one), a move for Voronin seems more of a possibility, but I think he is likely to still be here once the transfer window closes.

£2m for Itandje and £6m for Pennant and according to my calculations that takes the net spend this summer to the negative side of zero:eek:

Come on you yanks - open your wallets - one decent left-sided attacker is all we want.

Mr Alan

If Villa bid for Finnan,i expect at least 6 million

Bounty Hunter

Mr Alan wrote: »

If Villa bid for Finnan,i expect at least 6 million

hows about we take Voronin off your hands in exchange for him

Mr Alan

I dont hate Voronin as much as most here, his goals per min ration for us is better than average.

Karmafaerie

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

hows about we take Voronin off your hands in exchange for him

£12,000,000 it is then!;)

mru

anyone know if the match is on tv tonight?

Chardee MacDennis

mru wrote: »

anyone know if the match is on tv tonight?

sky sports 1

andrewie

Sky Sports 1 from 8.25.

Kimbot

Skysports are showing it apparently.

Sajan

It's on the e-season for people outside of the UK. Will that include us?

mru

nice one -ta lads. feel a little lazy, all i had to do was pick browse thru digital

The Rooster

Mr Alan wrote: »

me thinks Agger and Skrtel will be our number one partnership for a number of games next year.

.....and for a number of years after that. Its the beginning of the end for the legend that is Carra.

That Villa statement borders on embarrassing. Means nothing, other than the teams have not yet agreed on a fee. The saga won't be over until Barry signs a new contract for either Villa or Liverpool, or 31st August comes.

I don't think Keane is invovled tonight. Otherwise I think the headline on LFC.tv would not be "Nemeth in line for debut"

mayordenis

The Rooster wrote: »

.....and for a number of years after that. Its the beginning of the end for the legend that is Carra.

That Villa statement borders on embarrassing. Means nothing, other than the teams have not yet agreed on a fee. The saga won't be over until Barry signs a new contract for either Villa or Liverpool, or 31st August comes.

I don't think Keane is invovled tonight. Otherwise I think the headline on LFC.tv would not be "Nemeth in line for debut"

WATCH OR LISTEN TO KEANE'S DEBUT LIVE ONLINE
With new signing Robbie Keane in line to make his Liverpool debut at Villarreal this evening, make sure you don't miss any of the action from our latest pre-season game by tuning into our live coverage online.

Eire-Dearg

Yeah Rooster, pity. Perhaps EggNog won't be on too.

Looking forward to this, don't know why though.

The Rooster

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

Yeah Rooster, pity. Perhaps EggNog won't be on too.

Looking forward to this, don't know why though.

Wrong!

Team named:

Diego
Darby – Hyypia – Skrtel – Dossena
Benayoun – Plessis – Gerrard - Ngog
Voronin - Keane

(just a guess at the formation)

Subs include:
Alonso, Pennant, Torres, Kuyt, Arbeloa, Carragher, Reina

Chardee MacDennis

formation like this?

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Diego
Darby--Skrtel--Hyypia--Dossena

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–Gerrard - Plessis –

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Benayoun

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Keane

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Voronin--

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Ngog

or swap Ngog and Voronin

Tusky

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Diego

Darby--Hyypia--Skrtel--Dossena

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Plessis

Voronin----Gerrard----Benayoun

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Keane--Ngog

or

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Diego

Darby--Hyypia--Skrtel--Dossena

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Plessis--Gerrard

Voronin----Keane----Benayoun

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Ngog

Would be my guesses.

The subs bench will probably be the team for the second half.

Steve Finnan
Daniel Agger
Fernando Torres
Xabi Alonso
Jermaine Pennant
Alvaro Arbeloa
Dirk Kuyt
Daniel Pacheco
Krisztian Nemeth
Jay Spearing
Emiliano Insua
Jamie Carragher
Pepe Reina

emc2

Anyone have a link to this?