Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

The Rooster

Any pub that has Setanta through a Sky subscription will have the game - i.e. most pubs in Ireland which have big screens.

Although if you ask Johnny Barman do they have the Liverpool channel, 90% will say NO or just look at you like you're thick.

Just ask them to put on Channel 434 (one of the Setanta sports channels).

Build up starts at 5.30pm, kick off 6pm.

Boggles

Karmafaerie wrote: »

How exactly?
Berbatov
Season_______________Games____________Goals
2006-07________________33_______________23
2007-08________________36_______________23

Total __________________69_______________46

Keane
Season_______________Games____________Goals
2006–07________________27_______________22
2007–08________________36_______________23

Total __________________63_______________45


Please show me Berbas better scoring record?

(If you wanna go talk about the Bundisleaga then I can bring up how many Voronin scored, and how he compares in the prem according to most here!)


And please name all the Berba has won?
Cause the only trophy I can find in his cabinet is the same League Cup that Robbie has.

Apologies didn't know you were selecting limited scoring records to prove your point.

I was more going with

Berbatov

333 Played
173 Scored

Keane

444 Played
169 Scored

You can argue the toss about the different levels they played at, but don't drag Vorinon into it for Christ sake, it cheapens the debate.

jesus_thats_gre

In fairness, comparing them against each other while they played side by side is possibly the fairest comparison that you can get.

~Rebel~

Boggles wrote: »

Apologies didn't know you were selecting limited scoring records to prove your point.

I was more going with

Berbatov

333 Played
173 Scored

Keane

444 Played
169 Scored

You can argue the toss about the different levels they played at, but don't drag Vorinon into it for Christ sake, it cheapens the debate.

Look if your going to try and keep this reasoned, it only makes sense to keep it to the premiership, the league they both play in and the league Liverpool are in.

Its a simple common denominator.

Karmafaerie

podge018 wrote: »

I meant in Liverpool obviously. Where else would Liverpool fans be from?

Well Liverpool is a city.
Sorry!;)

PHB

So let's start a new thread people, Keane vs. Berbatov if people want to continue this conversation. Any posts in here afterwards shall be deleted. Or just the Keane thread. Whatever

Boggles

PHB wrote: »

So let's start a new thread people, Keane vs. Berbatov if people want to continue this conversation. Any posts in here afterwards shall be deleted. Or just the Keane thread. Whatever

Not a bad idea, any takers?

Karmafaerie

Boggles wrote: »

Apologies didn't know you were selecting limited scoring records to prove your point.

I was more going with

Berbatov

333 Played
173 Scored

Keane

444 Played
169 Scored

You can argue the toss about the different levels they played at, but don't drag Vorinon into it for Christ sake, it cheapens the debate.

I scored 33 goals in 32 games in my astro league last season.
Does that make me a better striker than them both?:p

The level of competition matters a hell of a lot.

Edit: Sorry, never saw above.

Boggles

Thread up with Poll
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055349296

Rockee

podge018 wrote: »

Anybody know a place in town showing the Liverpool match this evening?

Or perhaps a good oul live stream on the intramanet too??

rosboy

Rockee wrote: »

Or perhaps a good oul live stream on the intramanet too??

You should be able to find a few different sources here:

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=16098&part=sports

redspider

I just have a hunch that Robbie will be 20m not that well spent. He will try hard, but his career could go in the same direction as Kewell's did when he got the No.7, ie: downward from here. Maybe not so rapid at first or as deep (now that would be bad) but my hunch is that he has peaked. Perhaps No.7 is now jinxed. It is clearly a weighty mantle to carry.

Karmafaerie> Maradona as great as he was, scored 34 goals in 94 appearances for Argentiana. Keane ha scored 33 in 81 for Ireland.

That is not a like-for-like comparison. Maradona was a creator, a playmaker, and was man-marked more than most. "he is no Maradona" is a saying, not a call to compare the goals-scored statistic. I think everyone worth their salt as an observer would agree that Maradona's skills and touch on the ball were way and above what Robbie has.

Cyrus wrote: »

The price is an irrelevance, if rafa believes keane can be the difference between us challenging for the title or not.

Keane does not need to improve on what he has done over the past 5 years, if he can replicate that form for liverpool i.e 15 league goals and 8-10 assists then he will make a big impact.

also having keane also mitigates the doomsday scenario we had last season of torres getting injured and having no reliable goalscorer to replace him.

The price is relevant in my opinion as a club/business we should waste as little as possible. I agree that over-paying for Robbie by 5 or 8m or whatever is not a problem in the general scheme of things IF all things come to pass and all the ducks line up and a premiership (or CL) is landed. However, I dont think Robbie is the difference between us winning and not. Our 'gap' would require a Torres-like change in midfield or on the wing for that. And Robbie is not that change I think. Especially in a 4-4-2 (Gerrard's location?) or if shoe-horned in the right-side in a 4-2-3-1. He may be a round peg for a square hole as it were.

I agree that Robbie has scored some goals in the last 5 years, but will he finish as many in the next 5 years (from 28-33)? My gut is saying that he wont. His sharpness from here may diminish albeit sligtly but enough. As an Irish player I wish it were otherwise. I wish we got Robbie when he was 23 rather than 28. Early signs in the friendlies that he has played are that he hasnt been creating and banging them in either, but its too early to judge of course. We'll all be able to judge when he has 800 mins or so under his belt in real matches.

Redspider

podge018

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Well Liverpool is a city.
Sorry!;)

So is Dublin.
Sorry too!

copacetic

redspider wrote:

I just have a hunch that Robbie will be 20m not that well spent. He will try hard, but his career could go in the same direction as Kewell's did when he got the No.7, ie: downward from here. Maybe not so rapid at first or as deep (now that would be bad) but my hunch is that he has peaked. Perhaps No.7 is now jinxed. It is clearly a weighty mantle to carry.

I see your points redspider, if anything my opposite opinion is also a 'hunch'. Imo he is exactly the player that could turn 4/5 games around for us this year compared to last year. He can score unexpected goals and create extra chances. Poor finishing was the key problem last season imo. We created plenty of chances in a lot of the drawn games that if they fell to him would have been much more likely to be finished.

Those 4 or 5 games would be all the difference in winning the league. If that happens I wouldn't care how much we paid.

By the by though, I reckon we have paid over the odds for him and Barry by about 15mil all told. However you often have to overpay to get the players you really want, like utd, barca, madrid and chelsea have done in the past.

Karmafaerie

podge018 wrote: »

So is Dublin.
Sorry too!

Never said it was.
Just pointed out that this is a forum for Irish Liverpool fans, not Dublin Liverpool fans.

But lets stay on topic here.

Boggles

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Just pointed out that this is a forum for Irish Liverpool fans.

No it's not.

Rockee

rosboy wrote: »

You should be able to find a few different sources here:

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=16098&part=sports

Thank you sir

Karmafaerie

redspider wrote: »

I just have a hunch that Robbie will be 20m not that well spent. He will try hard, but his career could go in the same direction as Kewell's did when he got the No.7, ie: downward from here. Maybe not so rapid at first or as deep (now that would be bad) but my hunch is that he has peaked. Perhaps No.7 is now jinxed. It is clearly a weighty mantle to carry.

Karmafaerie> Maradona as great as he was, scored 34 goals in 94 appearances for Argentiana. Keane ha scored 33 in 81 for Ireland.

That is not a like-for-like comparison. Maradona was a creator, a playmaker, and was man-marked more than most. "he is no Maradona" is a saying, not a call to compare the goals-scored statistic. I think everyone worth their salt as an observer would agree that Maradona's skills and touch on the ball were way and above what Robbie has.



The price is relevant in my opinion as a club/business we should waste as little as possible. I agree that over-paying for Robbie by 5 or 8m or whatever is not a problem in the general scheme of things IF all things come to pass and all the ducks line up and a premiership (or CL) is landed. However, I dont think Robbie is the difference between us winning and not. Our 'gap' would require a Torres-like change in midfield or on the wing for that. And Robbie is not that change I think. Especially in a 4-4-2 (Gerrard's location?) or if shoe-horned in the right-side in a 4-2-3-1. He may be a round peg for a square hole as it were.

I agree that Robbie has scored some goals in the last 5 years, but will he finish as many in the next 5 years (from 28-33)? My gut is saying that he wont. His sharpness from here may diminish albeit sligtly but enough. As an Irish player I wish it were otherwise. I wish we got Robbie when he was 23 rather than 28. Early signs in the friendlies that he has played are that he hasnt been creating and banging them in either, but its too early to judge of course. We'll all be able to judge when he has 800 mins or so under his belt in real matches.

Redspider

I said as much myself RS.I (About Maradona being a step above)

I suppose the reason you recieved such a vehement response, is that as you stated, you're just touching in after a few weeks away.

We've been here listening to peoiple slating Robbie for a week now.

Personally I think he's worth it.
In a market where Andy Johnson is worth £13,000,000, Jo is worth £19,000,000, and Zarate is worth £20,000,000, Keane is well worth his money.

If he continues his form with out improving, that's 20+ goals a season.
He's a leader, and will work his socks off.
All good for the team.

He's not the best in the world, b ut I'd prefer him right now, than anyone ese in the £20,000,000 bracket.
Plus he works well with younger players.
The likes of Nemeth will appreciate his influence.

Karmafaerie

Boggles wrote: »

No it's not.

I obviously meant thread, which you obviously knew, and I was obviously pointing out that it's not for Dublin residents only, and obviously didn't mean that only Liverpool fans were allowed or should be allowed in.

But you knew that, and were trying to be clever.
Obviously.

(You also obviously failed by the way!;))

mike65

check out http://www.justin.tv/koncerto for a stream.

Valerenga are in no great form right now so I hope we see a very business like startting 11 and performance, Lazio follows then Standard Liege next Wednesday.

Mike

Dub13

IrishKop on Tour

The Matches that we have planned out so far,



manure (13th Sept) there will be a special chartered flight going direct to Liverpool with transfers, the flight will depart at 9am arrive at anfield approx 11am and leaving Approx 6pm - this flight will be for Liverpool fans only, if your best mate brother whatever is a manc tell them to go Lyinair.

Stoke - (sat 20th Sept) will be boat and coach, with overnight, and if demand is there a day trip also.

Wigan (18th Oct) Boat Coach - day trip

Fulham 22nd Nov Boat Coach

Dec 13th Hull - boat & coach - day trip


Flights - Special Charters have been booked for 17th Jan Everton - 31st Jan - Chelsea & 18th April - gooners. There will also be special charters for C.L. games - these will all be day return flights, night matches leave liverpool approx 11.15pm and arrive dublin shortly after midnight.

mada999

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

G'wan the town!

+1

oobydooby

redspider wrote: »

However, I dont think Robbie is the difference between us winning and not. Our 'gap' would require a Torres-like change in midfield or on the wing for that. And Robbie is not that change I think.

It would be a bit optimistic to say that Robbie will make the difference, but I disagree that we need a torres-type change. Our midfield is already adequate to win the EPL (I'd say it's top class) and in previous years our defence was adequate too. The problems up front and out wide have been addressed by Torres and a system which does not use width. We need a reliable foil for Torres, an intelligent player who can finish. Kuyt is intelligent but for some reason he can't find his shooting boots in England. Robbie can score and should work well with Gerrard and Torres.

I agree that Robbie has scored some goals in the last 5 years, but will he finish as many in the next 5 years (from 28-33)?
Redspider

This doesn't concern me as much as other posters. If he can do it this year and next year then that's good enough. Rafa knows he has to win the EPL this year. From the financial side, Robbie's stock won't fall if he helps Liverpool win the league this year and next.

Finally my 2c on Robbie is that I'm delighted for him. He's dreaming the dream now with Ireland and Liverpool and is a great lad. Quality-wise I've the same doubts as Redspider and others and hope my happiness at the transfer is not just about liking the player (a bit like when the other Robbie returned a few years ago).

mike65

Team for tonight

Cavalieri, Arbeloa, Carra, Agger, Dossena, Gerrard, Alonso, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Keane.

Subs: Reina, Plessis, Darby, Nemeth, Pacheco, Spearing, El Zhar, Insua, Ngog, Hyypia.

Mike.

Tusky

---

Keane--Torres

Benayoun--Gerrard--Alonso--Kuyt

Dossena---Carra---Agger--Arbeloa

---

Cavalieri

Team for the game tonight. Id rekon thats also very close to the starting lineup against Sunderland.

rosboy

Tusky wrote: »

---

Keane--Torres

Benayoun--Gerrard--Alonso--Kuyt

Dossena---Carra---Agger--Arbeloa

---

Cavalieri

Team for the game tonight. Id rekon thats also very close to the starting lineup against Sunderland.

or:

---

Torres

Benayoun

---

Keane

---

Kuyt

---

Alonso

---

Gerrard

---

Dossena---Carra---Agger--Arbeloa

---

Cavalieri

mike65

Playing Cavalieri as the lone striker is a master stoke :pac:

Mike.

The Rooster

mike65 wrote: »

Team for tonight

Cavalieri, Arbeloa, Carra, Agger, Dossena, Gerrard, Alonso, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Keane.

Subs: Reina, Plessis, Darby, Nemeth, Pacheco, Spearing, El Zhar, Insua, Ngog, Hyypia.

Nice to see El Zhar in there. I wondered was he injured up to now? I reckon he's in the same league as Ngog if given a chance.

Interesting that Diego is in for Pepe, given that everyone else is first choice (of those available). Barring Pepe, Skrtel and Barry, I don't see anyone else starting v Liege or Sunderland.

ibh

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

G'wan the town!

mada999 wrote: »

+1

Good to see there is a bit of a crew of Pool fans on here from Dundalk.

Tusky

mike65 wrote: »

Playing Cavalieri as the lone striker is a master stoke :pac:

Mike.

I never understood why people always display teams from top to bottom. Surely it makes sense to have keeper at the bottom...that way, the right winger is on the right, left winger on the left etc.

Care to shed some light ?

oobydooby

Tusky wrote: »

---

Keane--Torres

Benayoun--Gerrard--Alonso--Kuyt

Dossena---Carra---Agger--Arbeloa

---

Cavalieri

Team for the game tonight. Id rekon thats also very close to the starting lineup against Sunderland.

Very strong team. If we play 442 in some important games this season this would be a likely team (with Reina). Mascherano would be the only other obvious candidate to improve it, but perhaps the 5 man midfield accomodates him better.

Really liking the look of the squad now, plenty of tactical options for Rafa.

Is Degan available?

Tusky

oobydooby wrote: »

Very strong team. If we play 442 in some important games this season this would be a likely team (with Reina). Mascherano would be the only other obvious candidate to improve it, but perhaps the 5 man midfield accomodates him better.

Really liking the look of the squad now, plenty of tactical options for Rafa.

Is Degan available?

Degen is injured, will miss the start of the season also.

Cyrus

is it definately 442?

not

torres
Benayoun Keane Kuyt

Gerrard Alonso

oobydooby

Tusky wrote: »

Degen is injured, will miss the start of the season also.

Oh, thanks. Anyone seen him or Dossena playing yet?

Tusky

Is this game on Setanta or LFCTV ?

oobydooby wrote: »

Oh, thanks. Anyone seen him or Dossena playing yet?

Ive seen all their games so far. Degen hasnt played much. Has lots of energy and gets up and down the wing quite quickly. Havent seen enough of him to tell how good he is though.

Dossena looks like he hasn't settled in yet, hard to judge how good he is. He is very attack orientated and likes to get forward. Seems to have a good cross on him and is quite physical. Made a great goal line clearance in the last game.

Chardee MacDennis

Cyrus wrote: »

is it definately 442?

not

torres
Benayoun Keane Kuyt

Gerrard Alonso

that's how I see us lining up...

Chardee MacDennis

Tusky wrote: »

Is this game on Setanta or LFCTV ?

lfctv

copacetic

Tusky wrote: »

Is this game on Setanta or LFCTV ?

lfc tv, although i thought setanta advertised it as being on the main channel in the paper last week.

mike65

oobydooby,

Degan has looked confident on the ball getting forwards, likes a tackle too. Dossena looked pretty good against Rangers with one superb goal-line clearance.

Tusky, I have no idea why most put goalie at the top, I guess its years of watching them do it on TV!

Mike.

The Rooster

No sign of Voronin, Pennant or Finnan.
All on the way out?

No sign of Aurelio? And he hasn't figured a whole heap in pre-season. Injured?

Degen was very poor defensively in his second game. Albeit Diego, Carra and Insua were all a bit dodgy in that half of football.

Dossena looks like he likes pies. But I'm sure its all muscle. Looks tough, but was badly outpaced by Darchville in one instance v Rangers. He did make a superb goal-line clearance at one stage.

rosboy

The Rooster wrote: »

No sign of Voronin, Pennant or Finnan.
All on the way out?

Quite possibly. You're talking about £10-14million there between them. Would be the majority of the Barry fee.

Its a very young bench today (aside from Hyypia of course)

copacetic

was away at weekend and just saw goals from rangers game there, nice movement from the younger players. impressed.

~Rebel~

Tusky wrote: »

I never understood why people always display teams from top to bottom. Surely it makes sense to have keeper at the bottom...that way, the right winger is on the right, left winger on the left etc.

Care to shed some light ?

Im gonna go with; Keeper at the top because most people think of a team from back to front. And because we're limited on here to writing from top to bottom, left to right, rather then on paper being able to begin at the bottom of the page, thats how it works out

Happy with that team anyway. i think in practice it will be more the 4-2-3-1 people have shown. Yoss and Kuyt are naturally gonna be further forward anyway, Keanes natural position is just off the front man anyway, and having Gerrard playing in a deeper role prepares us for the start of the season better, when Masch and Lucas won't be back. gets him back up to practice.

rosboy

mike65 wrote: »

Tusky, I have no idea why most put goalie at the top, I guess its years of watching them do it on TV!

Mike.

On LFCtv they just did it left to right:D

Jazzy

stream link please?

mike65

Saw that! I've never seen such a red crowd outside Anfield!

Valaranga have started well.

http://www.justin.tv/mstv_2

Mike

Jazzy

ty!

shotamoose

Yossi should really have put Keane through there ...

rosboy

shotamoose wrote: »

Yossi should really have put Keane through there ...

Keane wasn't happy with the pass alright. Yossi looks a little off the pace so far tonight

copacetic

sweet build up and great finish.