Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Spud83

Karmafaerie wrote: »

In a world where Ronaldo is worth £80 mill
Berbatov is worth £33 mill
Crouch is worth £18 mill
Johnson is worth £15 mill
etc.....


Tevez is worth £25 mill.

just because those fee were paid does not mean they are worth it.

Karmafaerie

SlickRic wrote: »

every utd fan does not agree.

Addressed above.

SlickRic wrote:

i don't know what he was promised; but was the deal not a loan deal. there was never a guarantee he'd be staying on. it would always have been thought of as likely, but never a guarantee.

Tevez was a UTD player for 2 years.
There's no way he was expecting to be treated like this.

SlickRic wrote:

plus he's started over 30 games this year, with another dozen or so as sub. honestly, he can dry his eyes. he's played plenty, including starting big games (Liverpool at home, Champions League final, off the top of my head)

Well he didn't start the CL final did he?

SlickRic wrote:

Utd have already paid £10m in loan fees, of course they won't pay what others will. i'm sure they're trying to negotiate in light of this fact. he's not worth approaching a £40m total outlay before wages.

UTD had his services for 2 years.
They didn't pay £10,000,000 for nothing.

SlickRic wrote:

not sure this is completely true, but i'm not going to argue it.

Only going by the intimations of the media and Tevez's camp.

SlickRic wrote:

fair enough. I'm not going to deny that if he has indeed been 'forced' out of OT, then he has to do as right as possible by his family. i hope that's true, and it's not just an easy way of trying to engineer the wages he wants for himself (and his advisors).

A story was spread i the papers saying that Tevez wanted to leave as his wife didn't like England.
Tevez came out and said this is the polar opposit, and that his family being settled here is the reason he doesn't want to leave, and would consider moving somewhere close if he had to.

SlickRic wrote:

they're not 'shafting him'.

utd could have signed him to a contract, but if they don't believe he's worth the money are they not entitled to say no??

I meant shafted as in getting rid of.

SlickRic} wrote:

orres is pretty much the best striker in the world. he deserves the wages he's on, and the position at the club he has. tevez is not worth what he thinks he is, and utd don't have to sign him if they don't want to.

and there's no way you'd understand torres going to utd under any circumstance. surely. you're a better man than me then...;)

Hey, I'd be the first one in the human ring formed to stop him leaving.

AS I said, fans are fickle.:P

Podge2k7

onemorechance wrote: »

Daemonic

Player worth has to be seen in relation to what they bring to the team. Liverpool were crying out for a goal scorer when we signed Torres so £24 was well worth it, £34m would have been a decent deal in hindsight.
While Tevez may be worth £25 to some, in terms of the type of player Liverpool need, i.e. someone with a bit of trickery and guile to unlock stubborn defences and as a good backup for Torres / Gerrard I don't think he fits the bill.
Excellent player but IMO, not the player Liverpool should blow most of their (rumoured) budget on.

According to SSN Liverpool are his last choice out of 6 clubs as he doesn't want to join out of respect for united

gucci

there, i did it

jesus_thats_gre

rarnes1 wrote: »

According to SSN Liverpool are his last choice out of 6 clubs as he doesn't want to join out of respect for united

Good. Don't want him signed.

gucci

gucci wrote: »

there, i did it

Jesus, thats an awful ghey photo !:eek:

joe123

~Rebel~ wrote: »

lost all credibility with personal abuse imo.

Anyway, I would definately prefer Saviola, Micah a wingforward over Saviola and Johnson.

What who did I abuse??

I dont really want us to sign Tevez but the way the market is now he seems to be our best chance of signing a really top player in attack. Saviola could be a master stroke or a disaster but is it to much of a risk to take hoping he comes good when we are so close to capturing the title?

I just cant see how or why City would sell Richards for 5 millon.

SlickRic

gucci wrote: »

there, i did it

he was a good signing though.

Dub13

piece off TIA


Over the last week I’ve had to make my mind up once and for all on Spirit of Shankly (SOS) - the Liverpool Supporters’ Union.

Until now, having been working away from Liverpool for the last ten months, SOS has almost passed me by. The issues the union faces and deals with haven’t, but the way they have been received and action taken by SOS has. Simply because I haven’t been around for a while.

Life’s taking me back to the city of Liverpool seven weeks from now on a permanent basis and with seemingly perfect timing the last week has brought SOS fully to my attention.

As many of you will know, a video was posted on the internet last week showing a controversial impromptu performance at the SOS end of season party last month.

This Is Anfield moved quickly to distance ourselves from the behaviour of the fans in the video. It was something that shouldn’t have happened and something SOS condoned outright in a statement of their web site.

Since the emergence of that video, SOS has come under a lot of criticism from the local press, web sites and Liverpool supporters in forums, including our own.

So it’s given me the opportunity (or rather forced me) to discover SOS for myself and reach my own conclusions which I’d like to share with you, whether you’re already a member of SOS, you’re unsure about them, or have never heard of them. My overall conclusion is:

Spirit of Shankly is the best thing to happen to Liverpool Football Club in many years.

I’m writing this article very simply to benefit supporters from L4 and beyond – all LFC communities, online and off. The purpose of this article is to convince Liverpool fans from all over the world of SOS’ potential, how important that will be to our club and fans, to appreciate the aims of a supporters’ union and the endless positive consequences it could achieve if we all have faith in it.

SOS are a voice for Liverpool fans to express their concerns to the club in an organised and effective way, with an elected committee of hard-working, dedicated Liverpool fans who strive to achieve the best intentions for the club. They aim up uphold the traditions of the football club, whilst simultaneously allowing and helping the required commercial drive forward to compete, and be a force, in world football.

350 outraged Liverpool supporters met in The Sandon pub by The Kop in January last year to discuss action about the “dreadful custodianship of Hicks and Gillett”. That night other club issues were discussed and out of the night, Sons of Shankly, later renamed Spirit of Shankly - a Liverpool supporters’ union was born.

Having been established for only just over a year, SOS’ hard work and determination driven by our love for the club has seen achievements made already. They’ve organise cheaper away travel for fans, held meetings and liaised with club officials over growing concerns including ticketing schemes and the new stadium, met with the club’s sponsors – and Rafa Benitez has kept his job and been given a new contract when even the bookmakers had written him off.

The long term goal is to ultimately have fan representation in the board room and eventually fan ownership of the club. That’s a long way off and financial difficulties could mean it forever stays only a pipe dream. But in the mean time, they’re trying to get the voice of the fans heard before it’s completely drowned out by extortionate ticket prices, greedy commercial schemes and Coca-Cola vending machines.

Daily Mirror columnist and lifelong Liverpool supporter Brian Reade explains it simply. We are not your typical consumer in your typical business.

“Football fans are exploited. They’re not just products you can buy and sell. With football supporters, there’s this passionate thing that’s inside you. It’s a habit; an addiction that’s very hard to break because you’ve got these because you’ve got these loyal bonds which are totally illogical.”

Without a union, the club will never be told this and we will turn into the franchises our American owners are so accustomed to over the pond. Football has changed since the last time we won the league, but the supporters haven’t and won’t. We’re not here to be ripped off and the club and its owners need to understand that.

As a member or supporter of SOS, you don’t have to agree with everything. We’re not robots, we all have our own opinion and SOS can be used as a debate box within our own community to help us discover, realise and agree upon the outcome that will benefit the club and fans best of all. SOS is not a religion or cult and what it believes in is not black and white. Situations change, opinions change and can be changed and that’s what SOS is about – creating a democracy within the fans so we can reach out our voice of concern to the club.

Bill Shankly wouldn’t be proud of some of the songs sung in the boozers. He’d be ashamed. He was good friends with Sir Matt Busby. But focusing on a few fans who got carried away is the wrong thing to do. Anyone inside or outside the club can see that this is not a representation of Liverpool fans by any means.

Shankly would be proud of the socialism SOS strives to create. The union’s website quotes Shankly as once saying, “I believe in everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It’s the way I see football, the way I see life.” Working together to achieve the best for everyone involved is what Shankly would have wanted.

SOS is new to this game and makes no denial that it is still learning and will continue to do so. There’s a lot for us all (and Hicks and Gillett) to learn about the running of a football club, 21st century football economics and business. Mistakes do happen and things are said (or sung) that are best left unspoken.

SOS didn’t handle the situation over the posted video in the best way for a number of reasons but what’s done is done and there’s no need for fans to discuss this further. In everything that we do things happen that we would like to change and we need to realise mistakes, take them with regret, learn and get stronger because of it. Our club is important and worth the work. The positives (and potential positives) that can be taken from SOS massively outweigh any negatives.

We’re all in this together. Whether we’re from Liverpool or Liechtenstein, Merseyside or Malaysia, we all want what’s best for Liverpool Football Club. SOS aims to “create long lasting relationships within all aspects of Liverpool FC’s supporting community”.

SOS could well be the piece of the jigsaw that we’ve been missing. It’s up to us to make it that last piece in the jigsaw. It’s the piece that finally puts the links and communication between all Liverpool fans and the men in charge to send OUR club in the right direction on the issues WE feel are important.

So this is my personal thank you to the people that have established SOS, put their own time and money into because of their overwhelming love for Liverpool FC and achieved all the things they have done for the fans and the future of the club.

By researching and writing this article, it’s allowed me to formulate my own opinion of SOS and I will pledge my support to it by becoming a member on my return to the city this summer. I hope I’ve made your mind up too and I hope I’ve proven why SOS is both important for us and ground-breaking for football.

These are exciting times for Spirit of Shankly and Liverpool FC – and we’re only just getting started!

witnessmenow

SlickRic wrote: »

he was a good signing though.

Was he? I really should remember, but i dont think he was a great signing, he was mega bucks back in the day

SlickRic

witnessmenow wrote: »

Was he? I really should remember, but i dont think he was a great signing, he was mega bucks back in the day

he wasn't a 'great' by any means.

but he was a hell of a lot better than Dossena, Degen, Keane and Voronin!

Mr Alan

Dub13 wrote: »

It was something that shouldn’t have happened and something SOS condoned outright in a statement of their web site.

ouch! hideous typo!

Dub13

Anybody who is not a SOS member I would encourage you all to join,they are a sound bunch and are in this for the long haul.

Eire-Dearg

Are you on TIA, Dub13?

~Rebel~

joe123 wrote: »

What who did I abuse??

i was referring to lint, apologies, i thought you were too

Mr Alan

re: Tevez, i think tis fair to say that both Tevez & Utd feel they were equally betrayed.

Tevez was shunned for the new boy (berba) and some great performances when given a chance early on in the season were rewarded with only a place on the bench, he also was not kept in the loop re:Utds plans for him in the future with them doing nothing in private to keep him, but publically saying they were doing all they could.

lint316

~Rebel~ wrote: »

i was referring to lint, apologies, i thought you were too

yeah, my comments were totally unprovoked. I wasn't insulted in any way at all. Cheers

Mr Alan

children!

behave!

Guy:Incognito

rarnes1 wrote: »

Jesus, thats an awful ghey photo !:eek:

Don Johnson is NOT gay.

livinginkorea

I don't think we will get Tevez, not if Utd have anything to do with it. He seems like a decent chap so I am pretty sure he isn't going to stab Utd in the back. Anyway we have a Dutch workhorse already so why do we need two of them? Also if Rafa spent all the transfer kitty on one player I would be very surprised. I expect a couple of smaller buys, nothing major at all. He's way too smart to throw all his money in one basket now, not that we are so close now to the title.

In Rafa we trust!

Mr Alan

livinginkorea wrote: »

I don't think we will get Tevez, not if Utd have anything to do with it.

They don't

Dub13

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

Are you on TIA, Dub13?

No,I seen it on Irishkop.

joe123

~Rebel~ wrote: »

i was referring to lint, apologies, i thought you were too

Ah right sorry, I wasnt sure!

jesus_thats_gre

witnessmenow wrote: »

Was he? I really should remember, but i dont think he was a great signing, he was mega bucks back in the day

28 goals in 63 games is pretty damned good. He also had a large amount of assists iirc.

I never understood the flak that Collymore got during his time at Liverpool.

mike65

Tranmere Rovers land the dream team - John Barnes and his sidekick known as 'Trigger'. I trust there will be a friendly

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/8559211

ShamoBuc

Best luck to the pair of them I've a feeling they might need it

Karmafaerie

No money my ass!!!

The Times

Portsmouth accept Liverpool bid for Glen Johnson

Window watch: England right back could be on his way to Anfield after South Coast club accept £18.5 million offer


Liverpool had an offer of about £18.5 million for Glen Johnson accepted last night. The successful bid comes after they struggled to raise the money to buy him when he was valued at about £8.5 million in January.

The Portsmouth and England right back subsequently signed a new four-year contract, but his future club appears clearer with Chelsea unwilling to match the fee for a player they sold for £4 million two years ago. Manchester City expressed an interest, but have not matched the price, which will include add-ons.

Liverpool will raise funds from the potential sales of Álvaro Arbeloa and Andrea Dossena and from outstanding money that they are owed from the sale of Peter Crouch to Portsmouth for £11 million a year ago. The Anfield club have expressed an interest in Micah Richards, the Manchester City defender.

:eek:

mike65

Crouchy 7 million, Dossena 5/6 million. It do-able

jesus_thats_gre

Makes sense to sell Arbeloa for quite a profit, sign Johnson who is slightly better, and English, with a large chunk of the transfer being covered by what Pompey owe us and signing Richards, also English, who is more than capable of provided cover at right and centre back.

Karmafaerie

£18.5 mill including add ons.
They owe us £7 mill for Crouchie.

So that could be nothing upfront (writting off that £7 mill), £7.5 mill over 3 years, £2 mill for winning the league and £2 mill for winning the CL.


When you think of it that way, it's a good bit of business, provided we get £5-6 mill for Dos, and £7-8 for Al, and can get Richards for the £5 mill stated.

It's a lot of if's but who knows.

joe123

Good bit of business, but bloody hell thats alot of money for Johnson. I wonder is this our big signing of the summer? I wouldnt of thought Right back would be the area we spend most money on. Getting Richards for 5 million would be a great buy.

Benitez is sounding very happy though regards how things are at Liverpool at the minute. They had a quotes from him on Setanta generally saying how much better it is that he has control over transfers now and that we are very close to being the champions.

jesus_thats_gre

Also bumps up the amount of English players we have...

Karmafaerie

I really doubt this is the big signing.

Selling Doss and Arbeloa and brininging in Johnso and Richards would only take about £2-3 mill off of the supposed £20 mill transfer fund (bearing in mind the £7 mill Pompey owe us for Crouch).

That still leaves a supposed £17-18 mill plus anything gained from selling Voronin and a few others.

If we can brining in Johnson, Richards, and someone like Tevez/Silva/Lavezzi, then that would be a great summers spending, IMO.

mada999

tbh I'm not a fan of this transfer...£18.5 m just seems like a lot...although if we are getting Micah richards for a report £5m (can't believe his price is soo low) it would soften the blow...we need two tricky pacy wingers...

hope Johnson doesn't become another pennant

mike65

Johnson is clearly on a level above Pennant. The creative accountancy dept will see that the net spend is pretty modest.

Eire-Dearg

And this will suit Kuyt perfectly, Johnson is far more attack minded then Arbeloa, and he does a lot more with the ball in those attacking situations.

And as soon as I saw that row with Carragher I said this was the beginning of the end for Arb.

SlickRic

if its structured as it seems to be, using outstanding money from the Crouchie deal, and sales of Dossena and possibly Arbeloa, this could be quite a smart piece of business.

especially if only 3 out of 20m comes out the transfer kitty.

Kingdom

Agree completely Slick.

I have to say, I don't think I've ever admired a manager as much as Rafa. You just can't be sure of anything with him (mean that in a good way).
The more I think about it, and the way the price structure seems to be set out, I like the idea of Johnson, and a cheap Richards.
And to think they wouldn't be the "big buy"! Oooh me grapes!

whatawaster

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

And this will suit Kuyt perfectly, Johnson is far more attack minded then Arbeloa, and he does a lot more with the ball in those attacking situations.

And as soon as I saw that row with Carragher I said this was the beginning of the end for Arb.

I agree he'll suit Kuyt down to the ground.
As for the row, if that should have spelled the end for anyone it's Carra. P*ssed me off big time. You can see the way he celebrates how much of a team player Arbeloa is. He didn't deserve that.

People need to stop going on about this 7m pompey still owe us like it makes a difference. If we only have to pay 11 instead of 18 that's all well and good. But we then have to right off an asset of 7m from our balance sheet. It has no affect whatsoever on our net spend.

joe123

Just wondering where did the Micah Richards thing for 5 million come from?

City would be crazy to sell him for so cheap imo.

Podge2k7

joe123 wrote: »

Just wondering where did the Micah Richards thing for 5 million come from?

Here?

Hephaestus

Karmafaerie wrote: »

£18.5 mill including add ons.
They owe us £7 mill for Crouchie.

So that could be nothing upfront (writting off that £7 mill), £7.5 mill over 3 years, £2 mill for winning the league and £2 mill for winning the CL.


When you think of it that way, it's a good bit of business

:eek:
&
:eek: once more

If this is true, well I'm :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

It's Glenn Johnson FFS not f*cking Cafu in his prime.

If RB spends that kind of money on a player who IMO isn't even that much of an improvement (if at all) on Arbeloa, I'd really have to question his judgement!

£18.5m not incl potential add ons. Well f*ck me thats madness.

GJ was a liability for Chelsea in some of the matches I seen him play in! I mean he was just plain awfull. Yes he can look pretty on the ball & offer some good support to breaks down the RHS, but he aint a good enough DEFENDER @ the very highest level IMO. If we were playing in an important game next season where our backs were to the wall @ certain periods, I'd have more trust in Arbeloa's defensive ability.

The more I type the more pis*ed of I'm gettin @ the possibility of this happening. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

joe123

Hephaestus wrote: »

:eek:
&
:eek: once more

If this is true, well I'm :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

It's Glenn Johnson FFS not f*cking Cafu in his prime.

If RB spends that kind of money on a player who IMO isn't even that much of an improvement (if at all) on Arbeloa, I'd really have to question his judgement!

£18.5m not incl potential add ons. Well f*ck me thats madness.

GJ was a liability for Chelsea in some of the matches I seen him play in! I mean he was just plain awfull. Yes he can look pretty on the ball & offer some good support to breaks down the RHS, but he aint a good enough DEFENDER @ the very highest level IMO. If we were playing in an important game next season where our backs were to the wall @ certain periods, I'd have more trust in Arbeloa's defensive ability.

The more I type the more pis*ed of I'm gettin @ the possibility of this happening. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Glen Johnson has improved a hell of a lot since his chelsea days.

Will people ever just trust Benitez to do his job? :cool:

joe123

Podge2k7 wrote: »

Here?

To me that doesnt sound like its going to happen at all. Plus its News of the world.

Hephaestus

joe123 wrote: »

Glen Johnson has improved a hell of a lot since his chelsea days.

But has he improved enough? Not IMO!

joe123 wrote: »

Will people ever just trust Benitez to do his job? :cool:

Apologies. For some reason I thought this is a forum where I can express my personal opinions. Shame on me :rolleyes:

Hephaestus

joe123 wrote: »

To me that doesnt sound like its going to happen at all. Plus its News of the world.

Something I actually agree with you on :P

No way will you will get a young England international for €5m in todays market.

Unearthly

Micah Richards is not that good really. Certaintly not as good as the hype that surrounded him a few years ago.

Hephaestus

Unearthly wrote: »

Micah Richards is not that good really. Certaintly not as good as the hype that surrounded him a few years ago.

TBH I didn't see enough of him last year to say yay or nay to him joining but he is still only 20 & has a fair few England caps so he must have something going for him.