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Aston Villa Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread
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Stolen from VT:
It's nice. I like.
Pretty disappointed with the new jersey, its not bad, its just near identical to last years one, would have loved if the above mock up was the new jersey....
Probably not going to buy the new jersey seeing as its so similar, but probably will end up getting it...0 -
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Can't see any differences from last year's kit
http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10265~1732674,00.html
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Dont be like that. Theres plenty of time to put that right.plenty of time left, the season is only finished
plenty of time left, the window hasnt even opened yet
plenty of time left, its only july 1st
plenty of time left, we're not back in training yet
plenty of time left, we havent played our first friendly yet
plenty of time left, still 2 weeks til the season starts
plenty of time left, we havent played our first game yet
plenty of time left, the window doesnt close til 2nd september
and as it stands now
plenty of time left, we havent played our first friendly yet
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Well it's safe to assume DSB has a few on him anyway!
I think the problem here is failure to achieve realistic possibilities. Yes, MON has done a great job at cutting the deadwood from the team he took over, he progressed the club from bottom half to to consecutive top six places, uncovered some outstanding talent in Young, oversaw Barry and Laursen hit the top of their games and so on and so forth, nobody is denying that.
On the other hand, meanwhile, there's obviously no point in criticising MON for not getting us straight into the Champion's League in his first season, or spending £400m of Randy's money in one window ruthlessly hoovering up the components of a West-Midland Gallactico unit. Anyone who bemoans that we didn't take that route, to that status, in that timeframe, with those methods is an idiot.
The thing that grates on most objectively grounded fans' nerves is how close we were in January, had we have made the choice additions to our squad that were glaringly needed, to make a really probably push at a Champion's League space.
Unidimensional tactics, players being played out of position, always fielding the same 11 regardless of form - these are points of lesser contention (all but Helix turned a blind eye while the results were going our way, for example).
Further still down the list of priorities is the speed, secrecy and wimpish manner in which MON conducts his transfer dealings, where it would appear he's more concerned about not pissing off his chairman's banker or rival managers, than he is with pleasing the players and fans with choice, toughly fought for acquisitions.
But you add all of these quarms up and the picture starts getting painted of the realistic potential that currently is not being met at the club.
It is realistic that, at the moment, we should have a squad of at least 20 players capable of getting a game for the first team and not have their presence significantly present a weakness to opposition - that's not the case.
It is realistic that we should have full-backs backing up full-backs, not midfielders or centre halves - that's not the case.
It is realistic that, in the face of the absolute capitulation we displayed from Feb-Mar, compounded by then losing Barry and Laursen, our manager should have been ready with his homework done on who he needed, so he could have gone out and quickly brought in adequate replacements not only to blood them in as early as possible, but to restore fan confidence and boost morale about the club - that was not the case.
It is realistic that we should be at least linked with making a punt for the likes of Huntelar or Tevez when they became available, regardless of how inevitable the case may be that they will end up at another club - that was not the case. And don't spout that usual rubbish about 'MON keeping things secret, we don't know who he went after.' As Helix said some time back, as much as they'd like to keep things on the QT around B6, the press are generally wise to who we're after.
It is realistic that a player like Brede Haangeland should want to leave Fulham to join us, should we present an interest – is this the case?
It is realistic that players of Marlon Harewood, Mustapha Salifou or Zat Knight's quality should be in a different postcode to our first team - that is not the case.
There's more to be added to that list, and surely there'll be the usually pedantic gripe with a point or two I raise here (it really bugs me when you put time into getting your thoughts laid out in a post, just for some snot to quote only one sentence that might be refutable and ignore the rest).
But hopefully you get my point. It's not what MON has or neccessarily hasn't done, it's what realistically he should have done by now that is letting the safety status of his job get increasingly less stable and getting the backs up a lot of fans.
So to the next person who comes back with the usual "ah sure things take time" or "sure look at the state of the place when he took over" retorts to criticism of MON, hopefully this clears up how irrelevant those points are.
Again, I stress for the record, I really like MON as person and I badly want him to succeed in achieving great things with Aston Villa, but the above speaks for itself in volumes.0 -
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Well it's safe to assume DSB has a few on him anyway!
I think the problem here is failure to achieve realistic possibilities. Yes, MON has done a great job at cutting the deadwood from the team he took over, he progressed the club from bottom half to to consecutive top six places, uncovered some outstanding talent in Young, oversaw Barry and Laursen hit the top of their games and so on and so forth, nobody is denying that.
On the other hand, meanwhile, there's obviously no point in criticising MON for not getting us straight into the Champion's League in his first season, or spending £400m of Randy's money in one window ruthlessly hoovering up the components of a West-Midland Gallactico unit. Anyone who bemoans that we didn't take that route, to that status, in that timeframe, with those methods is an idiot.
The thing that grates on most objectively grounded fans' nerves is how close we were in January, had we have made the choice additions to our squad that were glaringly needed, to make a really probably push at a Champion's League space.
Unidimensional tactics, players being played out of position, always fielding the same 11 regardless of form - these are points of lesser contention (all but Helix turned a blind eye while the results were going our way, for example).
Further still down the list of priorities is the speed, secrecy and wimpish manner in which MON conducts his transfer dealings, where it would appear he's more concerned about not pissing off his chairman's banker or rival managers, than he is with pleasing the players and fans with choice, toughly fought for acquisitions.
But you add all of these quarms up and the picture starts getting painted of the realistic potential that currently is not being met at the club.
It is realistic that, at the moment, we should have a squad of at least 20 players capable of getting a game for the first team and not have their presence significantly present a weakness to opposition - that's not the case.
It is realistic that we should have full-backs backing up full-backs, not midfielders or centre halves - that's not the case.
It is realistic that, in the face of the absolute capitulation we displayed from Feb-Mar, compounded by then losing Barry and Laursen, our manager should have been ready with his homework done on who he needed, so he could have gone out and quickly brought in adequate replacements not only to blood them in as early as possible, but to restore fan confidence and boost morale about the club - that was not the case.
It is realistic that we should be at least linked with making a punt for the likes of Huntelar or Tevez when they became available, regardless of how inevitable the case may be that they will end up at another club - that was not the case. And don't spout that usual rubbish about 'MON keeping things secret, we don't know who he went after.' As Helix said some time back, as much as they'd like to keep things on the QT around B6, the press are generally wise to who we're after.
It is realistic that a player like Brede Haangeland should want to leave Fulham to join us, should we present an interest – is this the case?
It is realistic that players of Marlon Harewood, Mustapha Salifou or Zat Knight's quality should be in a different postcode to our first team - that is not the case.
There's more to be added to that list, and surely there'll be the usually pedantic gripe with a point or two I raise here (it really bugs me when you put time into getting your thoughts laid out in a post, just for some snot to quote only one sentence that might be refutable and ignore the rest).
But hopefully you get my point. It's not what MON has or neccessarily hasn't done, it's what realistically he should have done by now that is letting the safety status of his job get increasingly less stable and getting the backs up a lot of fans.
So to the next person who comes back with the usual "ah sure things take time" or "sure look at the state of the place when he took over" retorts to criticism of MON, hopefully this clears up how irrelevant those points are.
Again, I stress for the record, I really like MON as person and I badly want him to succeed in achieving great things with Aston Villa, but the above speaks for itself in volumes.
I would think despite the fact that as you mention not all people share that view I would think everyone understands where your comming from the only thing is (the bit i bolded) that when things were going well I for one (and im sure there were others) didnt turn a blind eye to our negative points when we had our good run. Infact i would think most agreed with Helix (and even said so in posts) about what Villa were doing wrong although wanting not to come off as o so negative mostly posted about how good things were and how they could get even better if we did x, y and z.
Thats the thing with a lot of these MON debates (non heated, gotta say its always banter and not argueing in here, fair play lads) that take place on here the people who perhaps come off as pro MON or whatever do agree with the mans has faults, its just as people who like to look to the positives we dont always focus on them in our posts however that doesent mean we dont agree with what you say in most cases.
edit: good post btw and despite bolding one bit the reason ive quoted it is that a post like that that you obviously spent time on should not be at the bottom of a page and maybe not get read (although now that i think about it not everyone may have 20 posts per page)0 -
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It's on the official site now -> http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10265~1733135,00.html
I thought it might be part of an exchange to bring Cahill back but no news.
Gotta seriously hope MON has a couple of defenders already lined up now
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