Garda Reserve Experiences

boardsbandit200

Rain? no thanks- I wouldn't be seen dead in it it's all wet and stuff and my sergant understands that.

Marcus.Aurelius

Bren1609 wrote: »

What do you mean where are the contradictions??? Did you not read my previous post? I've pointed them out in black and white.

Since you're on the Batman theme at the moment, I think your next user name should be Harvey Dent/Twoface. You could even put up a pic, at least then you'd have some excuse for contradicting yourself.

Had you actually read your own posts you would see there are no contradictions in what you quoted from me, I've explained my outlook in my last post, and it does not contradict the quotes you have used.

Are you able to read OK? I can use bigger text. :pac:

Why did you read so much into my posts to find out where I work? Are you making a threat? I've never specified a unit or my present station.

Marcus.Aurelius

deadwood wrote: »

Can a mere garda working on your unit use this excuse not to work with a reserve? What's next - "Aw sarge, it's raining. I can't go out in that - it's too risky":D

There are no reservists in Traffic Corps, perhaps you also forgot to read my posts. :pac:

gordotempo

Joker wrote: »

I hate the reserve idea, and the attitude displayed by many of them, just power/status hungry and aggressive tools without a shred of feeling for their fellow man. If you are different, you will change these attitudes, mine included. Good luck with your application

Bren1609 is right Joker. Read your own post above how do explain that? Did you think by changing your user name it wouldnt be recognised? You also seem to be getting a bit defensive, the only person talking about threats in here is you. You also said that you have no working experience with reserves and then you make a statement like that. You also talked about full timers babysitting reserves and then you said that you had no problem with lads helping out GR's. It's all in Bren1609s post.

So which is it?

Marcus.Aurelius

gordotempo wrote: »

Bren1609 is right Joker. Read your own post above how do explain that? Did you think by changing your user name it wouldnt be recognised? You also seem to be getting a bit defensive, the only person talking about threats in here is you. You also said that you have no working experience with reserves and then you make a statement like that. You also talked about full timers babysitting reserves and then you said that you had no problem with lads helping out GR's. It's all in Bren1609s post.

So which is it?

You also didn't read my posts.

1. I have no problem with full-time gardaí training GRs.
2. I have a problem with full-time gardaí having to babysit GRs, particularly when bad situations like public order offences flare up
3. I do not have any first-hand experience with GRs, only from other colleagues who have spent a lot of hours doing so.
4. I changed my username because I got fed up of Marcus.Aurelius. I didn't much like Chief Admiral either. I picked joker after seeing the Dark Knight. Heath Ledger's character was excellent.

Sorry Gordotempo, as you can tell, there is no contradiction, there is the essential difference between operational work involving GRs and standard work i.e. training of GRs.

I apologise for the comment about reservists being selfish etc., it was out of line. But as for Bren1609, he has failed to see distinctions I made in my posts between training and operational work.

eroo

As one of the mods is going to end up saying . . . 'Attack the post and not the poster'!

Eru

deadwood wrote: »

The man in the substation has to deal with every call in his area and the files will be waiting for him/her when they return from rest days/holidays. There's no leaving it to the oncomong unit.

Not sure I understand this too be honest. Every station has to deal with every call and all members have to deal with their paperwork and files when they come back from leave or rest days as its their files and paperwork.

No one has ever offered to take a prisoner or file from me just because Im finishing up and if the section 4 means you have to stick around then thats too bad for you.

My original comments werent meant to mean A is better than B, I was just pointing out that theres a lot more to someones knowledge and experience than just how low their reg number is or even rank. Where your stationed or used to be, what unit, etc. It all contributes. I just found the users comments patronising too be honest.

As for the above with Joker, Im lost. What was your old username if you dont mind me asking?

Marcus.Aurelius

I originally signed into boards in Mar 07 as maoleary, I changed it once I got subscriber status to Marcus.Aurelius, as I like roman history a lot. Got fed up of it and changed it to Chief Admiral (:eek:) which was a terrible name and got it changed back to Marcus.Aurelius, but still favoured a change at some point.

I changed it to Joker after noticing the username was available.

deadwood

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Not sure I understand this too be honest. Every station has to deal with every call and all members have to deal with their paperwork and files when they come back from leave or rest days as its their files and paperwork.

I was just making a point that a member in a one man station deals with every call that refers to hi/her area. If this incident happens when they are off duty, the file will be waiting for them when they return. In a 24 hour station, the incident is dealt with by the working unit. I hope that's a bit clearer. Different areas have different arrangements though.
And I agree fully that "seniority" doesn't automatically mean more knowledge or actual experience.

I think this thread is in danger of getting into a slagging match. Dammit, they got to us - divide and conquer - that was their plan all along!

ZoneAlarm

Are Gr not all trying to strive for the same thing, and be on the same side or is it them and the GR.

Would it not be a good idea to be altogether rather than on opposite sides.

The Full time members and the GR, will need each other at some point, to back each other up.

At the end of the day, the GR are here to stay, so no matter what anyone says, everyone will have to get on together at some point.

So why not start now

Eru

ZoneAlarm wrote: »

Are Gr not all trying to strive for the same thing, and be on the same side or is it them and the GR.

Would it not be a good idea to be altogether rather than on opposite sides.

The Full time members and the GR, will need each other at some point, to back each other up.

At the end of the day, the GR are here to stay, so no matter what anyone says, everyone will have to get on together at some point.

So why not start now

I agree but theres no point in pretending that everything is perfect when it isnt. Far better to identify problems in a system and fix them.

ZoneAlarm

That is true but it can be made to work with a little effort on both sides

it dont take much to get things to work

patients and perseverance that is all

Things will have to get better because it is not going to go away

The Gr are here to stay despite what others think

lehanemore

do Reserves get any choice in where they get to do their duty hours when fully trained and attested?

is the help more appreciated in the busy city stations or is there anything for a Reserve to do out in the sticks?

thebigfella71

Does anyone know if the reserve are issued with an identity card similar to that of the regular Gardai??

Thanks

Manwise Bumwell

thebigfella71 wrote: »

Does anyone know if the reserve are issued with an identity card similar to that of the regular Gardai??

Thanks

i read in a preivous post somewhere on here that the gr are issued with the identity card, not sure how much different it is from the one the regular force get. i naturally assume that because it is the gr that it would be different in some way, although i stand open to correction on that one.

Fyr.Fytr

Manwise Bumwell wrote: »

i read in a preivous post somewhere on here that the gr are issued with the identity card, not sure how much different it is from the one the regular force get. i naturally assume that because it is the gr that it would be different in some way, although i stand open to correction on that one.

Almost identical except insteaf of saying your a garda it says your a garda reserve

Manwise Bumwell

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Almost identical except insteaf of saying your a garda it says your a garda reserve

damn, i thought it said bricklayer on it, oh well, my mistake!!!:D:D

The almighty me

Manwise Bumwell wrote: »

thats why nobody gives their real name sunshine

Are you not aware that you have an "IP" address ? look dont want an arguement just though you were taking the p_ss from the thread, if your not good luck.:rolleyes:

Anyone know how much more of a chance been a reserve does to your chances of getting into the force(proper)?

lehanemore

lehanemore wrote: »

do Reserves get any choice in where they get to do their duty hours when fully trained and attested?

is the help more appreciated in the busy city stations or is there anything for a Reserve to do out in the sticks?

do any of the trained Reserves or full-timers have anything on this for me?:o:)

lightyear

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Anyone know how much more of a chance been a reserve does to your chances of getting into the force(proper)?

After speaking to a sergeant about this it looks like the reserve is gonna end up being something that you'll have to do before you can apply for the guards proper but god knows when that'll happen

sunnyjim

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vasch_ro

Joker wrote: »

There will always be applicants for the Garda Reserve and we will not be able to stop it in its current guise, so you might as well go for it. Just as well perhaps that you know that a lot of full-time members will not take kindly to you, and some will.

I hate the reserve idea, and the attitude displayed by many of them, just power/status hungry and aggressive tools without a shred of feeling for their fellow man. If you are different, you will change these attitudes, mine included. Good luck with your application

this has not been my experience with any reservist I have met to date.
Most of the people i have met are quite enthuasiastic and well meaning and curious about the organisation.
I would have to say that overall reservists have been welcomed by the station party and have integrated well into working life ,each is assigned to a unit but works across units as their shifts are slightly out of Kilter with the regular. What I have noticed is a desire to be out and about all the time, and just like new probationers(who also want to be out and about all thetime) the value of working inside in the public offic etc is not realised by most. But it is often where i can best utilise a reservist,keeping them in and letting a full time member out. The lack of numbers is hindering the reserve idea and its progress and i know its all well and good to have public order powers etc, but that also means one would have to potentially attend court and miss time at their real full time job, possibly a full day or more if its a big list etc.my 2 cents

vasch_ro

sunnyjim wrote: »

Joker, strange education you have for a garda.


So how does that work out for you?

perhaps you would be surprised to discover that most of my class at the Garda college had attended third level college's,some to post grad level like myself,

vasch_ro

Joker wrote: »

I have stated that some who join are not there to help, but to bolster their own egos. but am uneasy about training them in personally.

I am not going for promotion as I doubt I am influential enough to get it.

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I know some Gardai like that.

why the unease about training ,is it not an opportunity to imprint your own idea's etc
and don't give up on promotion, never say never !:)

sunnyjim

vasch_ro wrote: »

perhaps you would be surprised to discover that most of my class at the Garda college had attended third level college's,some to post grad level like myself,

It's not the subject I'm interested in; Did he not post in an earlier thread that he has gotten a promotion somewhere along the line? Unless he did his postgrad part-time, how did he get into the gardai, and get a promotion within 2 years?

sunnyjim

****, my bad. I'm mixing up 2 message boards.

Apologies Joker.

redsurfer

hi all new to this thread

can some one please give me a quick run down of what a R/G does on duty and what are these dutys, how much time it takes up etc etc

cheers

tashamc

The best thing to do is log onto publicjobs.ie, they have all that info & more there..

redsurfer wrote: »

hi all new to this thread

can some one please give me a quick run down of what a R/G does on duty and what are these dutys, how much time it takes up etc etc

cheers

redsurfer

thanks lad, so how long does it take to join up do u know

tashamc

Check out earlier posts "lad"

redsurfer wrote: »

thanks lad, so how long does it take to join up do u know

Santasfanta

Hi All - hope all your current applications are going as planned and wish ye well in the future. I have a quick query and hopefully someone can help.

I am hoping to get into AGS as full serving member however with cut-backs and uncertainties etc I am starting to get nervous that I possibly wont make it in in the near future (1-2yrs...).

For that reason I was considering applying for the reserve forces which would hopefully get me some experience in the force and also would allow me to be doing a job which I know I want to do (even if it isn't full time/paid).

My query is - if I go to my interview etc for the reserve forces in the next month etc and then AGS recruits for full-time in November/December/early 2009, will the fact that I have an open reserves application stop me submitting my application. Does anyone have any suggestions or is anyone in the same boat as me....??

CO19

Santasfanta wrote: »

My query is - if I go to my interview etc for the reserve forces in the next month etc and then AGS recruits for full-time in November/December/early 2009, will the fact that I have an open reserves application stop me submitting my application. Does anyone have any suggestions or is anyone in the same boat as me....??

No it won't stop your application at all so go for it it'll look good when it comes to the interview for the full time job so yea go for it .

donal1234

CO19 wrote: »

No it won't stop your application at all so go for it it'll look good when it comes to the interview for the full time job so yea go for it .

I Dont think that this would effect any futher application but when in doubt call the reserve office and ask them,they are always helpful,donal1234:cool:

CO19

donal1234 wrote: »

I Dont think that this would effect any futher application but when in doubt call the reserve office and ask them,they are always helpful,donal1234:cool:

It doesn't effect it

donal1234

Tommy-Kerry wrote: »

Ah thanks for the advice... Im waiting a good while alrite so the call didnt do nay harm.....:D;) Can i ask what stage are you @, or are you in the reserves ??:rolleyes::D

I get my 6 week report on my eyes next monday so once this is sent in I would hope to start training in Templemore,donal1234:cool:

on standby

Tommy-Kerry wrote: »

I took your advice all i was told was : Your application is ongoing and we will be in contact in due course.... Thanks for the advice anyway donal1234:D;)

Tommy-Kerry
I think i am in the same boat as you.
I applied well over a year and a half ago and every time i ask for a status on my application i am told exactly the same as what you posted. I personally get the impression that caution is been taken somewhere in the application but the door has not been closed.
do you have a hand full of relatives living abroad as i do.

scullersky

on standby wrote: »

Tommy-Kerry
I think i am in the same boat as you.
I applied well over a year and a half ago and every time i ask for a status on my application i am told exactly the same as what you posted. I personally get the impression that caution is been taken somewhere in the application but the door has not been closed.
do you have a hand full of relatives living abroad as i do.

Thanks for the comment on standby..... I have 1 relation in america and 1 in england and the rest are in ireland so i didn't think it would take this long being honest...:( If you dont mind me asking did you hear anything else atall from the garda reserve office

charlotte.darcy

So given that the Reserve is probably here to stay, how do we make it work ? I've read through all the posts here and most of them are negative as to why its not working and will not work, but how can we make it work and be useful in its current form ?

More powers may come in time, but that may not be for quite some time. So both the Reserves and the Full Time Garda have to work with it as it currently stands. I feel thats its a big learning curve for all the Reserves who to a degree have been thrown in the deep end to pick things up for themselves. I know and appriciate that Full Time Garda have feelings about the Reserve, but surely at the end of the day if they co-operated and helped the Reserves (which many I have to say do to give them credit) a bit it can only improve and become more efficient and stand on it own feet to a degree instead of nervously existing as it stands ?

deadwood

I think i've been supportive of the reserves. My issue, and I suspect that of a lot of members, is that the full-time force is still poorly resourced in many ways. If the force was manned, equipped and trained as it should be, then the idea of a reserve force would be more roundly welcome.

If you look at how the Defence Forces Reserve is looked at now compared to when I was a young lad in it (no, Michael Collins was not my C.O.!). I'm sure there are serious shortfalls in both the PDF and Reserve, but they're headed in the right direction.

CO19

deadwood wrote: »

I think i've been supportive of the reserves.

You have been

brayblue24

Bren1609 wrote: »

I have two question for any full timers reading this:
1. Which would you consider more valuable. A GR with 5 years experience or a full timer with 1 years experience?

Full timer...even with one week's experience...every time

Stay_in_Kampuchea

I really love being a Reeeeeserf. And it's made me a quillion times more determined to be a full timer. I think if your gettin' caught up im powers your in it for the wrong reasons.

Eru

deadwood wrote: »

no, Michael Collins was not my C.O

Of course not, you were his!

Im just back from London and without sounding bad against the MET, I saw more community support officers than actual police officers which is a bad sign and a false sense of security.

In fact, the area I stayed is a pretty small place on the outskirts of London and there was a picture at the train station 'Meet your local police' it said and had pictures. 4 police officers and 5 support officers (Have blue shoulder numbers).

Is this normal Metman?

Oh and even the CSPO or whetever they are called are better equiped than us.:rolleyes:

deadwood

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Of course not, you were his! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Im just back from London and without sounding bad against the MET, I saw more community support officers than actual police officers which is a bad sign and a false sense of security.

In fact, the area I stayed is a pretty small place on the outskirts of London and there was a picture at the train station 'Meet your local police' it said and had pictures. 4 police officers and 5 support officers (Have blue shoulder numbers).

Is this normal Metman?

Oh and even the CSPO or whetever they are called are better equiped than us.:rolleyes:

I've noticed this on the mainland myself.

I think, though, it's more noticable to the likes of us because we'll notice small details on other police officers that non-members might miss. (I even feel like a bit of a saddo/walter!)

If it gives the overall impression to the public that there is a strong police presence, all the better in my view - so long as support from the full time is near to hand.

metman

Karlito/deadwood,


Most law abiding types just see CSOs as police officers. The government likes it that way.

Although nationally their number is small, CSOs are a highly visible 'police' presence on the streets. Generally they're usually limited to foot patrol, so in so far as you saw loads of em Karlito, that's their job done, all they're really supposed to be is a visible presence.

Imo CSOs have a role in law enforcement, i.e, they're handy to task with jobs like targetting nuisance youths etc but should have the word 'police' removed from their uniform.

However, where are all the Bobbies I hear you ask? In the nick doing paperwork of course!

Esel

deadwood wrote: »

I've noticed this on the mainland myself.

Cue obligatory West Brit comment! Are you bucking for a transfer to Tory Island?

deadwood

esel wrote: »

Cue obligatory West Brit comment! Are you bucking for a transfer to Tory Island?

Ah, it's just after atehunderdyeersofoppressun etc, we have the oirish sun, sky tv, Boots, Currys et al so and so forth. Like it or not, we follow whatever our brethern to the east do. I'm just embracing the idea. We're really not cut out to be European - our skin is too grey. Vive la difference.

You can't beat an off topic rant now and again.

Centauro

metman wrote: »

In the UK reservists are called Special Constables.

That's not strictly true. Special constables in Great Britain, but in Northern Ireland we have "Police officers, Part Time" They have exactly the same powers and equipment as their full time colleagues, but are trained to fulfill their roll as members of the community policing teams. They are paid an hourly rate, plus a retainer.

metman

Cheers for that mate, though I don't equate p/t PSNI officers with Special Constables.....as you say your lads get paid, are looked upon as part-time regulars with the same training and firearms etc. That's a world away from our SCs. Though in fairness, some of our Specials are very good, keen as mustard and switched on. The down side is most of these go on to become regular officers!