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Puppies Fighting?

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    #62
    mary123
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    animalcrazy wrote: »
    Ok I still don't understand why you would wait till she had puppies and have them pts rather then get her spayed asap? I'm not having a go at you just wondering.
    Makes 2 of us.


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    #63
    animalcrazy
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    mary123 wrote: »
    Makes 2 of us.

    It's pretty pointless and cost you more in the long run and no you don't have to wait for 5 months to get her spayed!


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    #64
    KatCookie
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    i had a reply written to your answers.. but i decided that it was off topic so im not going to reply to your pointless questions about neutering and not neutering, becasue i didnt come on this forum to be given out to, i had heard this was a nice forum and a good place for advice. i guess i was wrong, you just go off topic and wreck my head about things i cant change

    this 3 word answer to your question Animalcrazy is I Dont Know


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    #65
    animalcrazy
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    I'm not trying to get at you or anything, I am just trying to help. I think when a situation like this comes along it is important to pass on the information that I have learned to others. Please, get the dog spayed, I swear it will be so much better for you and the dog in the long run. it saves so much time and energy! Not to mention the chances of the dog getting cancer! Are you under 18? Like who exactly owns these dogs, is it your parents in charge?


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    #66
    Whispered
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    Katcookie, my dad is a hunter and treats his dogs as hunting animals. We've had dogs for years and when I lived at home it always upset me how they were just work dogs. I understand how you feel but you need to try to speak to whoever is responsible for the bitch and either have them have her neutered, or just make sure she is seperated from the dog when she is in heat. I know it's not your fault, but do what you can.

    On the subject of the pups, at some stage, was one of the seperate from the others, even for a few days? I had some foster pups here and one got sick. After 2 days in the vet he came home trying to be alpha dog in a much more adult and agressive way than I imagined. I dealt with it by allowing it to go so far, making sure he knew I was watching. Make sure he knows that YOU'RE in charge and that you wont allow it to go on. Try keep them supervised as much as possible. I agree with other posters, try to reintroduce them to the other dogs,


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    #67
    KatCookie
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    ok, but i treat our dogs better than i treat my brother!
    yes, they could be considered "farm dogs" but that is because they dont get to go inside much and they work at going for the Cows before milking, its not like we whip them into shape, make them run laps like a mindless zombie, force them to go without sleep or food!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    These dogs have a relatively easy life! they get their exercise daily, they only "work" for maybe an hour a day altogether, and i wouldnt call is intensive, maybe your father treated your dogs with little affection but our dogs .

    i will talk to my dad when i am ready to and do not have so much pressure put on me by people who dont know me or the dogs!!

    and no, the dogs are rarely separated, i think the fight may have been caused by my youngest brother insisting that we bring a puppy into the house for a play, it was less than 5 mins and the fight happened maybe 20 mins afterwards. Each of the puppies have been in th house, but i dont like it as they are too hyper and jump up on the furniture etc etc


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    #68
    animalcrazy
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    The problem with that is what if they don't make it as working dogs? That means they won't be able to be kept as pets, what happens to the puppies then?


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    #69
    Sigma Force
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    For the behaviour side you could log on to petsireland there is a behaviour/training section on it where you could post your queries.

    Some vets can spay pups (and kittens) way before 6 months as long as the animals are in good health which by the sounds of it they are this is possible but some vets are only comfortable spaying at 6 months which is fine.
    There are neutering vouchers available for people on low income.
    Not having a go but there is no reason why any working dog wether it's a farm dog of guide dog etc can't be spayed/neutered. If anything it may even improve the work they do they won't be in heat so will be less distracted, more focused on the job they are supposed to be doing. Less hassle all round for everyone. Perhaps for that reason he could be persuaded to neuter/spay.

    The pups are fully weaned now? If so I think the mother dog can go earlier to be spayed if he chooses to better now before she goes into heat again.

    Just suggestions totally understand that the final choice is not up to you.

    Hope it all turns out well, people get heated when topics like this pop up mainly out of sheer frustration esp. when they themselves are dealing with unwanted litters day in and day out. All you can do is pass the info on there's more info on spay/neutering and also behaviour on irishanimals.ie website


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    #70
    KatCookie
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    what you dont seem to see is that i dont know any people who would keep animals for work only! the amount of single male farmers(or old men who are widows, and children have moved away)are decreasing rapidly due to economic reasons etc etc ..
    there are also few hunting type people in this area. i dont think that they would want a collie anyways.
    therefore the likelyhood of us giving a dog to a hunter or a farmer who wants to use the dog for working is quite low. more likely it will be given to a family with kids. pure statistics makes me quite assured that they wont be abused!
    The dog we gave to my uncle is probably going to be used in farming for work, but i know he cared for his previous dog(which died of old age) and plays with it etc.. thats why i am happy to give dogs to people with a farming background!

    Just because someone rings us up and says that they would like a puppy, does not mean that we will give it to them if we think they could be the bad owners!


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    #71
    LisaO
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    OK. You are hoping to home the puppies
    to a family with kids
    . If this is your aim than it is truly important to start proper training and socialisation of the pups now, so that they are ready for re-homing and indeed to give them the best of chance of being re-homed. How do the pups behave around children? Do they jump, nip, pull at clothes? Can each pup be taken individually and sit to be petted, to have a collar & lead put on? Are they house-trained? Start working on these things now & the results will be two-fold - well mannered pups that potential homes will want to take into their families and an easier time for you now in managing them.


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    #72
    animalcrazy
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    LisaO wrote: »
    OK. You are hoping to home the puppies . If this is your aim than it is truly important to start proper training and socialisation of the pups now, quote]

    Exactly, most people are going to want to bring the dog indoors but they won't know how to behave inside since you don't bring them indoors. You said you brought one in once and it jumped up on the furniture so you but it out again, how are the puppies ever going to manage in a family where they want to be able to bring the dog indoors?


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    #73
    KatCookie
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    Animalcrazy, read my post properly, i said that it was after the last time we brought in a puppy that it went and got in a fight with the biggest pup.
    they have been brought in a couple of times each and alone, at first they act a little hyper but do calm down
    LisaO wrote: »
    OK. You are hoping to home the puppies . If this is your aim than it is truly important to start proper training and socialisation of the pups now, so that they are ready for re-homing and indeed to give them the best of chance of being re-homed. How do the pups behave around children? Do they jump, nip, pull at clothes? Can each pup be taken individually and sit to be petted, to have a collar & lead put on? Are they house-trained? Start working on these things now & the results will be two-fold - well mannered pups that potential homes will want to take into their families and an easier time for you now in managing them.

    they behave ok, well they are puppies, they'd have to be a bit excited. -it would be odd if they werent.
    they get ALOT of acess to kids, they do jump at first, they dont nip, nor pull at clothes.
    they can be petted individually- if the other pups arent around, if they are it usually takes one person with each pup, and they would be quite calm, sitting and enjoying the attention.
    They had collars, but i think my brother took them off again for some reason, yes they have been taken on walks but i dont know how that went, i didnt hear anything bad about it so i'd say the puppy was Ok
    House training is the next thing to deal with. but as they dont live inside i'm still wonderng how im gonna deal with it.. i'll do some research, look up the books we have...


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    #74
    LisaO
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    Sounds as though you are on the right track with pups Cookiekat, with regard to teaching them the basics. ;)
    Just be very aware of excusing bad behaviour because "they are just puppies". Yes, they are very young & need to play, etc but they are not too young to learn the basic rules & boundaries and the fact you have 4 of them means you will need to maybe be a bit stricter than if there was only one.

    The key is consistency - that everyone who has interaction with the pups expects the same level of behaviour from each pup. Those pups will learn much faster from each other than they will from you - good or bad!

    Housetraining is going to be difficult if they are not living indoors. It is something that really requires constance vigilance in order to be successful. Perhaps adapting the concept of crate training may be useful, so that they learn to keep their kennel are clean, at least?

    Would strongly recommend Guineapigrescue's advice to have a look at Pets Ireland forum - lots of experience there, often from people who have fostered litters of pups, so may be of great help to you.


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    #75
    animalcrazy
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    If you do what you said in your last post then the puppies should be fine, maybe bringing them inside a bit more might be a good idea, you could probably start looking for homes for them now, an experienced person won't mind socialising their self. Don't mean to be having a go at you or anything, just want the best for the puppies.


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    #76
    Whispered
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    You could post them in homes wanted on the top of this forum. Might get some interest.


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    #77
    KatCookie
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    i think that thread was a bit hard NOT to miss..actaully theres a rule about not posting adverts if you have them advertised somewhere else so thats why im not posting them there.


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    #78
    animalcrazy
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    So are you giving these away now, keeping them to socialise them as family pets or training them as farm dogs?


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    #79
    KatCookie
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    giving them away to people we like..

    we might keep one for ourselves,
    and do some basic training with them all as they get older if we still have them


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    #80
    animalcrazy
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    I would advise you to keep a male puppy since you already have a female dog who your family aren't willing to get spayed or so you won't have more puppies that will be pts. If you keep another male and don't get the female spayed then you can expect alot of vicious fighting over the female between the male puppy and the male dog.


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    #81
    KatCookie
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    they all are male, there was only one female


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    #82
    animalcrazy
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    Then you might want to get her neuteured.


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    #83
    KatCookie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭KatCookie


    the female was given away. for for the last time, you cant get a puppy neutered at 10 weeks old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    at my wits end here.


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    #84
    animalcrazy
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    I'm talking about the mother dog, how are going to cope with the two males fighting over her? I'm only trying to help you ya know, save you all the trouble that is coming in the next few months.


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    #85
    KatCookie
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    i think you've made your point.. many many times..


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    #86
    animalcrazy
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    Whatever, I'm just waiting for the thread ''My dogs are killing eachother over a female''


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    #87
    Khannie
    Registered Users Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    KatCookie wrote: »
    i think you've made your point.. many many times..

    lol. :D

    Off to the buddhism section for some zen for you! :D

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    animalcrazy wrote: »
    Whatever, I'm just waiting for the thread ''My dogs are killing eachother over a female''

    HAHAHA. This is classic stuff lads. Keep it up!!! :D

    And to think I just wandered in here because I saw the thread title on the front page.


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    #88
    animalcrazy
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    :D:D


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    #89
    Whispered
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    KatCookie wrote: »
    i think that thread was a bit hard NOT to miss...

    Thats a bit out of order, I only suggested that you put them in the homes wanted section, no need for the sarcasm. You haven't been around the animal forum too long, not that I noticed anyway, so I thought I'd point it out to you. But if you're going to get bitchy about it then off you go. Hope it all works out for those poor pups of yours.
    KatCookie wrote: »
    theres a rule about not posting adverts if you have them advertised somewhere else so thats why im not posting them there.
    As far as I know, so long as you're not selling the pups from homes wanted you can post there, perhaps a mod could confirm this?


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    #90
    Khannie
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    I came back to check on yesterdays thread of the day (IMO)......more clever quips plz! :D
    helena.ryan wrote: »
    You haven't been around the animal forum too long, not that I noticed anyway

    Totally irrelevant. It's not a club.


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    #91
    kerrysgold
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    Dog's can be neutered at 4 months if necessary, but it's better to wait until they are 6 months. You should get any dogs that you still have neutered, there are already so many collies looking for homes you really don't want to be adding to the collie population especially since nobody seems to want to adopt a black & white collie.


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