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Boxer win Irish DTT, but pull out.
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The map is updated back in 2007.
The website you mention is not always regarded highly on other forums, but there is no better info on the official websites - Ofcoms Digital Switchover or the digitaluk switchover (utv) webpagesThats when switchover will start. It is not due to be complete until 2013. For example the date for Brougher Mountain is Saturday 2nd March 2013.
Of course this information may be out of date.
Update: attached is Ofcoms N.I. transmitter switchover map showing switchover in 2012 for all transmitters.
Even the http://www.ukfree.tv/simulation.php page has the text
"The dates given a provisional and will be confirmed within a few months of the actual switchover."
The digitaluk page is the one to trust and it has no better information than late 2012. Everything else is speculation (or inside info).There is actually no legal requirement to turn of Analogue.
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It's only a Strong recommendation.
In June 2015 the Stockholm 1961 agreement that protects analogue signals and permit analogue broadcast will no longer exist. Only the new Geneva 2006 agreement. This will allow analogue, but only within the much lower power levels agreed (for digital TV).
Such analogue transmissions will have no protection from digital transmissions from other countries - i.e. the UK mainland and NI.
GE06 is, I believe, signed by Ireland. 'Strong recommendation' is something you will absolutely do - unless very vital interest forces you not to.
Political "U owe me's" should be kept in a dry and safe place by any small country - they can be much needed for something far more important than a little digital TV. Just Look at what happens in Reykjavik :eek:New info here though:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/03/800mhz/
The issue is more about the Spectrum used by TV really.
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/800mhz/Ofcom 800MHz wrote:2.22 The other European countries that have already publicly identified the 800 MHz band as their digital dividend are:
Sweden on 19 December 2007
Finland on 19 June 2008
France on 20 October 2008 and
Switzerland on 13 November 2008
2.23 These countries have a combined population of 84 million. Germany, Ireland and Norway, who are known to be considering similar plans, would take this figure to 175 million. Other European countries may follow suit,....
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A lot of people don't realise that there are free ch's on sat
I showed a guy at work today what was available.. and he was amazed.. he thought there was some trick or scam.. he is actually gonna cancel his multi-room sub, and just have FTA in his second room.
People need to be educated on what is available.
i'm going off topic here..sorry
Have to agree and it was suggested at the BCI Broadcasting Conference that the public be educated about all platforms.
However it is unlikely that Boxer, UPC or Sky want to educate people about the Free channels on satellite.
IMO FTA DTT AND/OR FTA Satellite should replace the 25% of homes with only terrestrial television. However this pushes boxer out of the picture, bar their PAY SPORTS AND PPV Channels 0 -
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Laura Noonan has a report in today's Irish Independent on possible problems and delays with the Boxer Pay-DTT service launch;
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/delays-give-mixed-signals-on-the-future-of-commercial-dtt-1653710.html
I guess the people with money are getting nervous about making large investments in Ireland with dewindling prospects for making profits on the investments.
I liked the comment given to her by the RTE source "We're not ordering the next piece of equipment until we get that contract back."
I guess RTE must have already 'ordered' some equipment in the expectation that Boxer DTT had put the 'cheque in the post', or something like that!!
Seriously, it's a pity that Boxer appear to be pulling back now....time to buy shares in UPC and SKY!0 -
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Even more than that.[url]I guess RTE must have already 'ordered' some equipment in the expectation that Boxer DTT had put the 'cheque in the post', or something like that!!
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yes they already purchased and installed transmission equipment for a number of transmitter sites for Boxer, so they have also spent money installing it, spent money on electricity consumption of the test transmissions that have been on air of equipment earmarked for Boxer.0 -
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How about lineup now. Well as HOTO (Oireachtas TV) has been shelved:
RTÉ1
RTÉ 2 archived & US programming(move kids programming to CulaDen TV (CRTE+CTG4))
RTÉ News Now (More oireachtas TV coverage)
CulaDen TV (Den TV, Cula4, 12hrs of prog looped once
3
3e
3Today (News, documentary, including Oireachtas TV coverage)
TG4 (morning programming simulcast from RnaG and RnaLife studios) or previous day Oireachtas coverage, more Oireachtas coverage)
The Irish Arts Channel (incorporating Irish Films, DCTV, Cork CTV programming, RTÉ Performing Groups, Drama, Festivals, Oireachtas TV Coverage).
Oideachas TV/Eolas TV (OU, Irish Unis and IofTech)
10 TV channels. Use to max, National Radio stations, Digital Teletexts.
Surely it would be LRTÉ and LTG4? not C. I personnel don't like the idea of Irish and English programming on the same channel for children. I think that those children that don't speak Irish would find it difficult and would choose CBBC or even Nickelodian over CulaDen !!!! It is important for children to see themselves.
I cannot see TV3 being to happy to broadcast OTV for free on one of their channels. I do not see why 3e should be FTA i think this would be a waste of PBS mux.
RTÉ ONE as is
RTÉ TWO morning Eolas
RTÉ THREE morning The Den
RTÉ INTERNATIONAL (selection of programming for an international audience, mainly NEWS and Documentaries, mainly repeats such as Prime Time an hour later i.e. a toned down +1 service)
TG4 as is
Scannan 4 (with the assistance of IFB/BSÉ)
Nuacht TG4 (news from around the world including OTV, cosuil le http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBS_World_News, i.e. news updates from around Europe from other EBU broadcasters)
TV3 as is
A new commercial service with other channels on Boxer
3e and 3Today available on Boxer
All BAI channels a must carry on all platforms.0 -
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TV3 branding isn't bad, I do think they could have turned the 6 logo into a 3 with the blue dot in the middle, add the e but its not bad.
Regarding 3e, when they apply for a terrestrial license then they have equal right to prime epg locations like cable as an indigenous broadcaster. We saw what the Sky epg did to them, lets us not do that by relegating them to the pay EPG positions.
I don't know have any digital terrestrial license applications been invited. I suspect 3e will be among the first to apply for these and that 3e's rejig will have that in mind. Whether its on the RTÉ mux is a matter for TV3 and whether they want to pay the premium for a higher EPG position and 6% more coverage area. But if it wants to it has a right as much as RTÉ.
But as part of subscription would not be good for 3e. Its best future is as free-to-air judging by lessons of Channel 4 with Film4.
Okay so I am going first comment on the branding of The TV3 Group. Dreadful. Dreadful. Dreadful. The logos both look like they could have been done by a 3 year old using MSPaint. Highly boring an unoriginal. Just look at the TG4 logo and idents alone, TG4 seem to put allot of work into their on screen presentation and marketing. The TV3 Group haven't got a clue, even look across at the beautiful on screen presentation of C4. One word AMAZING. I am sorry but the big bold 3 just represent the pure uninteresting, unoriginal banality of The TV3 Group.
AND OF COURSE
In relation the subscription aspect of The TV3 Group, 3E isn't subscription rather it is part of a wider subscription service, which Film Four where not part of. Film Four was one station that you had to pay 10euro a month for not worthwhile hence the decision to go FTA. ITV Digital was also partly responsible for the ending of subscription services from both ITV and C4.
If I where the BCI I would not give TV3 another Terrestrial License, I am sure their are much more worthwhile TV companies ready to take on that golden chalice of Free To Air TV. Remember without the their Terrestrial license TV3 would fail to make up much of the number that they get from ITV productions. TV3 could have several extra channels on UPC, Sky and Boxer, but to even thing of giving 3e a position well you may as well just go with 4 new +1 services for the current 4. IMO.
An extra space should be provided for a new commercial service for a new company to provide extra competition. TV3 should be automatically ruled out.Minister and RTÉ decided RTÉ International won't have advertising. But I don't agree it should not and I emailed why it should.
But 2 reasons I think why they think no ads
1) Damaging to UTV's PSB model
2) Cost of running a UK ad office versus perceived interest in it.
1) I suggested a solution to this involving all broadcasters including the BBC, UTV & TV3, City Channels as an island of Ireland channel with ad breaks where in return for providing Irish made programming, during ad breaks they would get return on ad breaks and contribute towards carriage costs.
2) I think they underestimate the level of interest there would be for and island of Ireland channel made up of Irish programming. I think there would be interest among advertisers.
Are you sure it was the Minister, I thought it was RTÉ who did that. I don't see how it could damage UTV's PSB model it is a separate channel. RTÉ International should be a worldwide service for Ex-Patriots, but it could as act as a service to the wider Irish Audience. IMO.Am in favour of a 2nd commercial broadcaster. Channel 4 I think would be interested but whether they would be allowed spent the capital needed as a PSB is the question. If they are on a 5. No doubt they'd have to pay a license to RTL for the brand. Indeed it could be a co-ownership with Five.This is where programming rights come in. Similarly TV3 acquiring UTV and a deal with ITV on joint acquisition makes similar sense.
C4 consider Irish advertising a bit of a "free-be" and to even suggest that they would take on BCI arrangements is a bit strange when they can broadcast in without and take the money without and PSB contract agreements in place. C4 is a semi-state body, just like the BBC.
Again did TG4 get a licence for the number 4? Five is an English channel if a new company wanted to call their channel C5, 5 or TV5 etc they need not get permission from foreign broadcasters who don't even have an interest in broadcasting in Ireland! Just as long has they don't us the FIVE brand they should be okay or they could not bother with a number at all, Numbers have become a bit troublesome since digital has happened IMO. look at BBC THREE AND BBC FOUR did they thing of the damage to TV3 and C4 when the used those numbers????Some incentive should be given for it to locate in Cork so that there's a national broadcaster in each province for the benefit of graduates of media. Also a soap from Cork would certainly be good and TV3 need to work on a soap drama to provide an alternative to Fair City.
TV3 have no interest in producing an Irish soap. I am sorry but TV3 are broadcasters in the main not producers. They do need some Irish Drama alright and a soap would definitely suit their ITV productions.Don't think TV3 would have to be paid with 3Today, because Sky News for instance carry PMQ's so if it had time why wouldn't it. Maybe OTV branding is going to far. Just that 3 isn't oriented as a channel that way, which is what 3 Today would be all about. 3 is like ITV. 3Today would be more newsy oriented.
Just for the sake of all the marketing money that TV3 have invested into their new brand (ZERO, maybe the price of a mars bar) they are The TV3 Group not 3 which as you point out may cause problems with another brand called 3 that sponsors Xpose. I believe you are giving to much to TV3 without looking at the over all land scape. I just don't think they have shown they deserve all of this type of programming. Sorry.Nuacht TG4 not viable as a channel. Must be part of RTÉ News Now on a rotational basis ie RTÉ news bulletin, Nuacht TG4 bulletin, RTE Bulletin, Nuacht TG4 bulletin etc with Nuacht TG4 including the news that was on RTÉ plus more gaeltacht oriented stuff.
You may have pick me up wrong about the Nuacht TG4 channel. It would be an international channel filled with International news reports in different languages from different countries i.e. the channel would buy in Main Evening news from other EBU members such as BBC, TVE, France 2, SVT etc. Hourly news updates in Irish with subtitles and ISL (Irish Sign Language).If you want kids programming to continue as is,then lets have Breakfast News of BBC1 style on RTÉ1, Eolas TV and archive programming on RTÉ2 and Kids programming and US on RTÉ3.
Yeah no need to split up channels just for the sake of marketing oh look we have 10 channel but each only go out for 12 hours at different times, really we only have 5 channels if we are lucky. :rolleyes:In fairness you can argue against TV3 needing another channel. Points taken on children's programming.TV3 should turn 3 into 3Today and move drama over to 3e so they'll have 2 strong channels. They don't need 3 channels. They need to beef up 3e instead. There's 8 channels. Eolas and Arts timeshare. TG4 don't need more channels but they can contribute to Arts4 and Eolas. Sky Arts you forgot.Eolas and Arts are complimentary but don't thing RTÉ should get involved, TG4 are better placed to help the 3rd level sector make programming given their relationship with Independent producers.
I believe that TG4 have enough money to provide extra channels for a PSB mux. TG4 should be involved in the IFB channel as it already has contacts in the states and around Europe for the broadcast of films on TG4, the IFB could provide them with their catelogue of films as suggested for the film channel. The idea provide by James Morris (IFB Chief) that he could run the channel on 3million is a joke and a waste of space. A channel dedicated to movie buffs and film students would be of putting to the average viewer, however with the help of many of the movies bought in by TG4 these movies could get better viewing figures by providing blockbusters and art house movies that many would over look but may look at on the off chance of what they consider better movies. James Morris also suggested no advertising for the film channel, again I disagree, I thing TG4 should have a profit driven channel to provide more money to TG4, the channel should not be provided from funding for IFB or TG4 rather it should be from advertising in its entirety (TG4 spend its advertising revenue on Imports). TG4 also have a good catelogue of short movies that it could provide in addition to the IFB/European/American films.
As for the TV3 Group. Uhhg! I have lost all hope, the presentation is dreadful. And looking at the branding across all stations, TV3 looks like a poor sister to a soviet era public service broadcaster. 3Today and 3e could work but 3e would have to provide some Irish programming. Also the scheduling of 3e over the past few months also leads be to believe that the advertising agencies aren't to impressed.0 -
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Lets just wait and see if RTE can afford to continue the DTT roll out without Boxers money, bearing in mind that RTE has already spend money on equipment for the other Mux's and that they were expecting an income from that equipment, and until Boxer return the contract.. no money will be coming RTE's way
It has to happen regardless
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i agree.. it has to happen.
But it might not happen as quick as was expected.
Ah sure we have waited this long
I am guessing that this is how it is going to happen without boxer (should boxer pull out)
1. Boxer pulls out in Sept 2009
2. RTÉ start digital broadcasts in Jan 2010
3. The line up is RTE ONE, RTE TWO, TV3 and TG4
4. BCI ask for expressions of interest in new Terrestrial channels in Mar 2010
5. BCI receives expressions in June
6. BCI licence channels in Sept (Including 3e, who start straight away)
7. Most plan to start up by mid 2011. 0 -
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