Hellrazer wrote: » Ive decided to start this thread so that we can get a discussion going regarding the number of posts lately about how to deal with unwanted for want of a better word "pests" The regulars here are complaining about the whole pro-hunting and anti-hunting way that every thread descends into as soon as someone posts "shoot-it" or "cull-it" From what I can see everytime someone has a problem with an unwanted "pest" the pro hunt people say "kill-it" and the anti hunt people want a more humane method of dealing with the problem and then the hunters state that it is a humane method of dealing with the problem. And the circle keeps going. The policy here is that the Animals/Pets forum is totally against any type of animal cruelty wheter it be culling/hunting etc. What Im suggesting is an open discussion on this issue which I dont want descending into a us and them thread. Depending on the outcome of the thread we may or may not change the policy to reflect the fact that sometimes culling of animals is a necessary evil for everyone involved once it is discussed in a humane and non-cruel way. Cruelty/condoning cuelty of any type will be dealt with in the appropriate manner which will be a permanent ban for the poster.
Run_to_da_hills wrote: » +1
Madame TogBog wrote: » I think all debate regarding the pro and anti hunting debate should be stopped. i don't think this is the right forum for it and it has been exhausted.
Hellrazer wrote: » I disagree--The reason I put this thread up is to debate it because what will happen next time someone asks for advice is that it will turn into a us and them thread again and thats what Im trying to stop. If we have set rules in place regarding helping people looking for advice on ridding themselves of unwanted "pests" or " vermin" then the above wont happen,no one will get banned and no threads will be edited/deleted. I would really like some regulars views on this.
Vegeta wrote: » I don't think this debate will have a good outcome I have no problem with the current policy as long as it enforced on everyone. I have seen threads before here on dealing with mice etc and there was no talk of cruelty thenhttp://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055332863&highlight=mice So why is culling a fox cruel and not a mouse/rats. I am not for an instant pointing my finger at you mods as no one probably reported the thread I linked but just highlighting what (for a long time) I have thought is odd.
Madame TogBog wrote: » If someone asks for advice in relation to "vermin" and one option is culling then that option should be allowed to be stated. That option should be allowed to be stated regardless of whether the majority of regulars find it repulsive.
helena.ryan wrote: » Well I was thinking it could be a good idea, but when you have a poster posting a video of a fox being shot that is a whole other ball game.
Hellrazer wrote: » I dont think Im being naive asking the regular posters what they think at all.
Hellrazer wrote: » It seems to me that there are different levels of "cruelty" which will be reported.Your example with the mice--people dont see it as cruel but shooting a fox is seen as cruel.
Hellrazer wrote: » It seems to me that there are different levels of "cruelty" which will be reported.Your example with the mice--people dont see it as cruel but shooting a fox is seen as cruel. I suppose all Im trying to do here is have one set of rules for everyone that are fair wheter the poster is pro or anti hunting.
peasant wrote: » How would you structure a forum rule around something that complex?
Hellrazer wrote: » I honestly dont know--Thats why I put the thread here. I do feel like there has to be a rule change because looking at it objectively there is a case for animal culling discussion to be allowed here now.
peasant wrote: » Personally I'd prefer it to be the latter.
the forum could try and discuss these issues in a constructive manner to the benefit of the animals.
whitser wrote: » personally i wont be replying to any more fox/vermin questions on this forum. if people dont like the answers they get maybe they should think twice before asking. or at the very least state clearly in the original post that killing is absolutley off the table.
Vegeta wrote: » So why is culling a fox cruel and not a mouse/rats.
peasant wrote: » I don't think that you will manage to squeeze the issue into one set of black and white rules. There's too many grey areas out there. Take an extreme example, deer and forestry. To any forestry manager deer are a pest, to any animal lover they are "Bambi". Some people will see the need to cull the deer population, others will never agree. Some people will realise that it also is anmal cruelty to let an animal population grow out of control (health issues, behavioural issues, stress) ...others would prefer "Bambi" to be grazing on every front lawn. But even if you come to a consensus on the cull and hand it over to the hunters, the issue isn't black and white then either. Because among hunters (like everywhere in society) there are responsible people and then there are the others. How would you structure a forum rule around something that complex?
the_syco wrote: » Mice and rats are seen as pests to a household. You lay traps for them, to stop them from eating your food, etc. Thinking of a fox, you're reminded of a dog: mans best friend, and suddenly you don't want to harm it.
BlackCat2008 wrote: » On the fox in the garden thread I'm still trying to find someone to help a lady who doesn't want to harm them, she just doesn't want them to be in her garden and all of a sudden there's hunters every were jumping down animal lovers throats.
