Barack Obama,John McCain your views.

Steyr

So what do you think of the American Presidential hopeful? Personally if i was American then he would get my vote i think he will go that extra mile and will be better not only for America but the world as a whole, i dont think McCain has what it takes, sure he is longer in Politcs in America etc but he seems very gung ho, sure he has family values and family at the core like Obama but it's something about him i dont like. How do you feel?

Overheal

*cough*

Obama seems set for a landslide the way the media is portraying the whole thing, stateside.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=177451&title=press-favors-obama
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=177449&title=obama-quest-berlin-speech

AARRRGH

I think John McCain will win.

Sure, Obama is a lot more media friendly, but I think he's a bit too liberal for the average Joe.

I'd vote McCain.

datk

Obama seems to be the better candidate in that he looks less likely to do a Bush and uset the rest of the world. I agree John McCain seems a bit gung-ho, he's also a bit prone to a few gaffs even Bush would be proud of. Last week he spoke, on air, about the Iraq - Pakistan border - eh IRAN!!!

I think for both their choice of VP will be important - like it or not in some states Obama's colour will be a problem and for McCain - well they say the VP is a heartbeat away from the presidency - and McCain ain't getting younger and, as I understand it, has health problems. There was talk of John Edwards for Obama's VP as he's a good wholesome character - but it has recently been alleged had a kid with some 'wan' while his wife has been battling cancer!! If true that's put an end to that. Looks like Hillary might yet be it.

fredzer

I think the U.S. took a huge step backwards during the Bush terms but the fact that Bush served two terms says it all. I think a huge chunk of America likes to have a Bogey Man to fear and likes to have a Commander in Chief that’s no afraid to rattle the sword. The fact that Obama has done a tour of the Middle East and Europe with a theme of breaking down walls etc might not go down well with the gun-ho crowd back home.

Personally I hope Obama wins it but it might be a close thing!

R0ot

They are both Americans so we are screwed either way. :rolleyes:

Epic Tissue

R0ot wrote: »

They are both Americans so we are screwed either way. :rolleyes:

Nice..:rolleyes:

fredzer

R0ot wrote: »

They are both Americans so we are screwed either way. :rolleyes:

think you have to be American to go for that job:D

LolaLuv

I don't think McCain stands a chance of being elected, though that might be wishful thinking. I saw Obama speak (even got to meet him!) and the level of energy he draws from people is incredible. I haven't jumped on his bandwagon fully, although I'll certainly vote for him over McCain, but I've never seen people so passionate about a candidate. There were many people in line to see him who had voted Republican their entire lives and had switched parties just so they could vote for Obama during the primaries. It will be interesting in November.

R0ot wrote: »

They are both Americans so we are screwed either way. :rolleyes:

Cute! And so original, too. I've never heard an "America is the bane of the world's existence" joke before, very refreshing.

amacachi

PillyPen wrote: »

There were many people in line to see him who had voted Republican their entire lives and had switched parties just so they could vote for Obama during the primaries. It will be interesting in November.

Or possibly they registered as Democrats/turned up to vote for him just to keep the race going. The Republicans were reportedly asking their supporters to vote for Obama in certain states.

LolaLuv

Yeah I heard about that happening quite a bit, but the people I spoke to seemed way too passionate to be faking it. Many of them had driven for hours to hear him speak and also bought some merchandise, which helps to finance his campaign. Although I suppose it's possible they were shady, who really knows?

R0ot

I'm sorry, was my post considered by most people to be a joke? I find nothing funny about it. As south park said, its always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich. :pac:

metaoblivia

R0ot wrote: »

I'm sorry, was my post considered by most people to be a joke? I find nothing funny about it. As south park said, its always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich. :pac:

No, I think some posters were just addressing your ignorance with sarcasm.

I'm voting for Obama. Right now, the media seems very focused on Obama, and he's being portrayed in a favorable light by most media networks. But it's still early, and all of that can change very quickly. With the media watching him so closely, any minor misstep can become a huge story. The eventual VP candidates will also play an important role come November. As much coverage as the US elections are getting right now, it's going to be unbearable come October.

Jesus Wept

I expect some more terror alert level raising in the run up to the elections.
A few scares, perhaps more, etc. Plenty more witch hunts and 'dirt' dug up.
Obama has to win by a few extra percent to actually claim a victory, because if it's any closer, the republicans will thieve it. McCain could probably win by getting 46%+ of the actual votes.
Obama is really up against it.

In the end, It's hard to imagine it will be anything other than an old white dude in the Oval Office after all is said and done. Pity.

phasers

John McWho? I though Obama was running unopposed from the way the Irish media reports on it.

ImDave

Obama seems to be what the Americans need. The current administration is far too 'Trigger Happy' and McCain seems to be even worse. I wouldnt be at all suprised if they elected McCain however.

OK-Cancel-Apply

I don't know how any sane person would want to vote for John "I hate the gooks" McCain.

Jesus Wept

Is that a John McCain quote?

heh, it is.

It would probably increase his popularity. :pac:

Nevyn

John McCain for the comander in chief who got caught and capture, gave up intel and was possibly brainwashed.... just when you think republican choices for president could not get dumber.

kowloon

Thaedydal wrote: »

John McCain for the comander in chief who got caught and capture, gave up intel and was possibly brainwashed.... just when you think republican choices for president could not get dumber.

He is an American Paytreeot though :rolleyes:.

Mr. CooL ICE

Since he spent some of his childhood in Indonesia, Obama is possibly the only ever candidate who could have any real understanding of islam, which is badly needed to un-fcuk up what the bush administration has done over the last few years. But I'm just afraid McCain will get in, based on retarded public opinion of what an american hero is

Poccington

Thaedydal wrote: »

John McCain for the comander in chief who got caught and capture, gave up intel and was possibly brainwashed.... just when you think republican choices for president could not get dumber.

Ya know what? You're right. How dare somebody fight for their country in a war and actually have the audacity to get captured.

It really is an outrage :rolleyes:

ninebeanrows

Its America, so 45% will always vote Republican and 45% will always vote Democrat so its about wooing that undecided 10%.

And this year it should go to the Obama side.

justfortherecor

Thaedydal wrote: »

John McCain for the comander in chief who got caught and capture, gave up intel and was possibly brainwashed.... just when you think republican choices for president could not get dumber.

That's a bloody disgraceful comment. The man spent 5 years in captivity, 2 of which were in solitary confinement. He was refused medical assistance after being captured with serious wounds after being shot down. He refused early release, insisting that officers and men captured before him should be released first.

The 'intel he gave up' as you refer to, was simply a 'confession' of American guilt in bombing N.Vietnam after being subjected to concerted torture tactics from the prison guards when they realised his father was a US Admiral.

Just when you thought boards.ie mods could not get any dumber...

KnifeWRENCH

I've never been too convinced by Obama - he seems a bit meek. I don't know how he would react in a crisis situation.

McCain - well I don't want another Republican in power. However, he was easily the best of a bad lot - if Romney or Huckabee became president, it would surely have signalled the Apocalypse.

They both have their good and bad points but surely neither could be any worse than Dubya!

wes

Obama is the lesser of 2 evils in my opinion.

Regardless of whoever actually wins in the end, they have a hell of a job on there hands to fix Bushs mess. The economic stuff alone will be a nightmare.

Manic Moran

datk wrote: »

I think for both their choice of VP will be important - like it or not in some states Obama's colour will be a problem and for McCain - well they say the VP is a heartbeat away from the presidency - and McCain ain't getting younger and, as I understand it, has health problems. There was talk of John Edwards for Obama's VP as he's a good wholesome character - but it has recently been alleged had a kid with some 'wan' while his wife has been battling cancer!! If true that's put an end to that. Looks like Hillary might yet be it.

There has been talk of Bobby Jindal on McCain's side, the current Louisiana governor. He's considered sortof the Republican counterpart to Obama, young, charismatic, and conservative enough to appeal to all the Republican party. First Indian (as in from Asia) governor in the US. Only problem is he suffers the same issue as Obama as well: He's a total noob. Even if he doesn't make the cut this time around, there are expectations that we'll see him in a future Presidential campaign on his own ticket.

NTM

BurnsCarpenter

I was hoping John Edwards would get the democrat nomination. He actually set out some concrete left wing policies. Obama just talked about 'change'.
Now it's become clear he's completely establishment. Right wing economics, Support Israel no matter what, no further gun control, support for death penalty (for child rapists as well as murderers!), etc, etc.
As a complete leftie, I'm hoping that McCain wins. At least he's got integrity.

Manic Moran

Right wing economics, Support Israel no matter what, no further gun control, support for death penalty (for child rapists as well as murderers!), etc, etc.

He needs independent votes. If he doesn't try to appeal to some of them, he won't get them, and won't win the election. As an independent, I agree with two of the above concepts. (Though I don't believe he'll carry one of them out). This gives him more chance me of voting for him than had he not come a little to the right.

Obama just talked about 'change'.

Check out the JibJab cartoon. McCain running over everything in a tank, and Obama prancing through a fantasy forest saying 'change'

NTM

RonMexico

99. Bush's willingness to talk directly with Iran.
98. Bush's new time "horizon" for troop withdrawals.
97. al-Maliki's endorsement of Obama's Iraq strategy.
96. Obama's headline-dominating foreign tour.
95. His disagreement with the majority of Americans on Iraq.
94. His lack of economic expertise and policy.
93. Obama's $52M June.
92. His $21M June.
91. 29% of the Latino vote.
90. 2% of the black vote.
89. Charles Keating (he'll be back).
88. Vicki Iseman (she'll be back).
87. Randy Scheunemann (he'll be leaving).
86. His band-aid approach to energy (more drilling, more nuclear, a $300M "prize").
85. His band-aid approach to healthcare (tax credits, more competition).
84. His band-aid.
83. Saying things like "I know how to win wars," despite his never having won a war.
82. His wife.
81. His ex-wife.
80. The Hagee/Parsley un-endorsement debacle.
79. An uninspired base.
78. Ape rape.
77. His bff, Joe Lieberman.
76. His claim that Czechoslovakia still exists (it doesn't).
75. His claim that Iran is training Al-Qaeda (they aren't).
74. His claim that Iraq and Pakistan share a border (they don't).
73. His claim that Somalia is the same place as Sudan (it isn't).
72. His claim that Vladimir Putin is the president of Germany (he isn't).
71. 71.
70. The images of 70,000+ screaming Democrats at Invesco Field.
69. Phil Gramm's "nation of whiners" implosion.
68. His unwillingness to call the situation in Afghanistan "urgent."
67. Steve Schmidt's failure to right the ship.
66. A new generation of Evangelicals who don't care what James Dobson thinks.
65. "C-nt."
64. "I hate the gooks."
63. His plan to resurrect Bush's plan to privatize Social Security.
62. The writer's rooms of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report.
61. His tarmac birthday party with Bush -- as Katrina made landfall.
60. "General Petraeus goes out there almost every day in an unarmed Humvee."
59. His belief that Americans are better off than they were eight years ago.
58. His "Frankenstein on barbiturates" oratory skill.
57. His beyond-pathetic "Pump" ad, which blames Obama for $4.50 gas.
56. His "Obama Love" ad, which blames the MSM for his terribly-run campaign.
55. His computer illiteracy (c'mon...this is 2008).
54. A tax plan that doesn't even TRY to hide the fact that it's geared toward the wealthy.
53. Bob Barr.
52. Ron Paul.
51. Rupert Murdoch.
50. His gay adoption/marriage high wire acts.
49. His immigration high wire act.
48. His torture high wire act.
47. His drilling high wire act.
46. His tax cuts high wire act.
45. Not churchgoing enough for some evangelicals.
44. Too evangelical for some independents.
43. His temper.
42. "I know what [Iraqis] want."
41. The starlet gap: McCain = Heidi Montag; Obama = Scarlett Johansson.
40. The Facebook gap: McCain = 173K supporters; Obama = 1.17M supporters.
39. His 1983-94 opposition to the Rev. Martin Luther King holiday.
38. His 2008 opposition to the Ledbetter Fair Pay [for women] Act.
37. His 2008 opposition to the G.I. Bill.
36. "100 years."
35. Viagra-gate.
34. His 0% rating from Planned Parenthood.
33. His 0% attendance record for the last six Senate Afghanistan hearings.
32. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."
31. David Plouffe.
30. David Axelrod.
29. Republicans losing elections in traditional GOP strongholds.
28. His October 2002 insistence that victory in Iraq would be "easy."
27. His January 2007 insistence that he never said it would be "easy."
26. A resurgent Taliban.
25. Europe's Obamamania.
24. Kneeling at the feet of Jerry Falwell.
23. His penchant for gaffes.
22. 80% of Americans convinced we're on the wrong track.
21. The National Review calling his campaign strategy "likely to fail."
20. Another terrorist attack on U.S. soil "would be a big advantage to him."
19. Record turnout in the Democratic primaries.
18. A free Osama bin Laden.
17. "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."
16. A campaign hierarchy dominated by lobbyists.
15. Suggesting Obama is a "Socialist."
14. The Dow Jones down 2,000 points for the year.
13. Foreclosures soaring, banks failing, and inflation at a 17-year high.
12. Still pushing his ridiculous, Big Oil-friendly gas tax holiday.
11. Being out-raised by Obama 2:1...in West Virginia.
10. His "no" vote on SCHIP (healthcare for poor children) reauthorization.
9. His support for overturning Roe v. Wade.
8. His consistent opposition to minimum wage increases.
7. Obama's 50-state strategy.
6. Al.
5. Bill.
4. Hillary.
3. Mitt.
2. John McCain.
1. George W. Bush.

Overheal

fredzer wrote: »

think you have to be American to go for that job:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/arnold_schwarzenegger

Thaedydal wrote: »

John McCain for the comander in chief who got caught and capture, gave up intel and was possibly brainwashed.... just when you think republican choices for president could not get dumber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/manchurian_candidate :eek:

Jimbo

Simple maths:
Democrats > Republicans => Obama to win

fredzer

Overheal wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/arnold_schwarzenegger



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/manchurian_candidate :eek:

With regard to running for President of the U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/22/elec04.prez.schwarzenegger.ap/

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-arnold14jan14,0,4663441.story?coll=la-opinion-center

Thanks.

OK-Cancel-Apply

BurnsCarpenter wrote: »

I was hoping John Edwards would get the democrat nomination. He actually set out some concrete left wing policies. Obama just talked about 'change'.
Now it's become clear he's completely establishment. Right wing economics, Support Israel no matter what, no further gun control, support for death penalty (for child rapists as well as murderers!), etc, etc.
As a complete leftie, I'm hoping that McCain wins. At least he's got integrity.

Obama has to say certain things to get elected. How could you hope McCain wins? Whatever Obama is, McCain is 100 times worse. His 'gooks' comment alone should have been the end of his political career, but no, he gets a free ride from the right wing media.

andrew

BurnsCarpenter wrote: »

I was hoping John Edwards would get the democrat nomination. He actually set out some concrete left wing policies. Obama just talked about 'change'.
Now it's become clear he's completely establishment. Right wing economics, Support Israel no matter what, no further gun control, support for death penalty (for child rapists as well as murderers!), etc, etc.
As a complete leftie, I'm hoping that McCain wins. At least he's got integrity.

Pragmatism FTW

Overheal

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Obama has to say certain things to get elected. How could you hope McCain wins? Whatever Obama is, McCain is 100 times worse. His 'gooks' comment alone should have been the end of his political career, but no, he gets a free ride from the right wing media.

The end of McCain will be his attacks on Obama unfortunately - who if nothing else has shown a lot of talent for rebounding from smear campaigns:

Hillary's Ad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-VFA7L2RcE

Obama's rebuttal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BvyF351RS8

And McCain is still singing from the same hymn sheet: his latest is still trying to criticize Obama for his actions in the senate. He'll be owned with a rebuttal by tuesday.

BurnsCarpenter wrote: »

I was hoping John Edwards would get the democrat nomination. He actually set out some concrete left wing policies. Obama just talked about 'change'.
Now it's become clear he's completely establishment. Right wing economics, Support Israel no matter what, no further gun control, support for death penalty (for child rapists as well as murderers!), etc, etc.
As a complete leftie, I'm hoping that McCain wins. At least he's got integrity.

And a playbook thats been signed and stamped by George Bush?