Tron: Legacy Megathread [** SPOILERS FROM POST 153 ONWARDS **]

Miguel_Sanchez

Saw it tonight at the Savoy.

It looks great but isn't much cop storywise.

Good soundtrack though -

with Daft Punk appearing in the bar scene as DJs.

quad_red

Saw it at the Savoy last night. The best bit was the chicks in skin tight jumpsuits in the lobby.

Honestly, the film was pretty poor. It was an impressive technical achievement and Jeff was (as always) dependable. But the rest of the cast were either painfully incapable (Hedlund) or were dealing with woefully underwritten/badly written material (Wilde, Sheen).

And the plot was incoherent, mumbled, po-faced nonsense without any sort of interior logic or plausible development.

What was good? The music was awesome and the light bike sequences were absolutely class. Bridges and Wilde, dealing with cliched and underwritten characters, do well to make likable, relate able characters.

But again, Hedlund is wooden as hell. He has zero charisma and the film flounders without a sympathetic, believable lead.

And the effects were so dark and so garish that it actually became difficult to look at after a while. I also don't think the 3D was particularly well done. And whilst an impressive technical achievement, Clue/young Bridges was still always blatantly a cgi creation (you know what I mean :P ).

Skerries

quad_red wrote: »

Clue/young Bridges was still always blatantly a cgi creation (you know what I mean :P ).

thats called uncanny valley where animated faces don't look right

johnny_ultimate

Wee bit of housekeeping:

Personally, I think it is best if we leave all general discussion about the film here, unless you want to write a detailed review in which case the film reviews thread is your best bet. But for back and forth discussion, here is probably best!

It worked for the Inception thread to keep all discussion in one place, and like that thread it'll probably be best to allow spoiler free discussion in here a few days after the 17th so we can all discuss it freely. Until the majority have had the chance to see it, though, SPOILER TAGS!

I just think it's the best way to discuss the film, rather than having a load of separate threads and splitting discussion about it! Everyone cool with that?

johnny_ultimate

Also, I feel it is my duty to share what may well be the best music video tie-in ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4cgLL8JaVI

Richard Dower

^ is that Olivia Wilde at the end?...brilliant use of original Tron graphics!

johnny_ultimate

Short impression: lies somewhere between 'meh' and 'decent'.

Longer impressions follow.

Hmm, good or bad points first? Let's be nice and start with the good. I can only echo what others have said that the soundtrack is simply a big old pile of electronic win. It pulses with energy and brings the film to life. Daft Punk, you rock. Backing it are the (mostly) excellent visuals and cinematography. The real world scenes even have quite a bit of invention (I particularly liked the camera movement in the tunnel at the start of the film). The virtual world is a neon wonderland, and while it is pretty much one trick and two colours, the neon is hypnotic and unique enough to keep you engaged, especially during a handful of setpieces. The inevitable light cycle sequence is a masterstroke, a glorious mesh of colours, movement and clever tricks. The other action scenes are great fun too, although disappointingly brief and few in number.

Two of the cast save this film from the deeper recesses of mediocrity. Jeff Bridges is his reliable self,

playing two roles, one of which is a more wizened, cynical Dude (a good thing). Clu I must admit does walk the uncanny valley tightrope, and while the illusion is often impressive the movement of the face is that little bit... peculiar. It's impressive, but still uncanny.

And Olivia Wilde is a hell of a find. Of course she's attractive, but the energy she puts into a role which isn't all that beefy is admirable. Perhaps it only comes across favourably in comparison to the likes of Gemma Blandeton, but her moxy is admirable. Give this girl meatier roles please!

And now, the negative. Plotwise, there's nothing all that wrong about, and the themes of obsession, identity and the sly promotion of open source software are pleasant ones to see in a Hollywood production. But for the duration of the running time, too much time is spent on exposition, and back stories that are predictable and uninteresting

(who else saw the Quorra and Tron twists a mile off?)

. The action is fun, but it takes too long to get there. It's largely humourless, barring a few cheap chuckles, and the script is often extremely lazy (please: never, ever have the words "you've got to be kidding me" in a film again). It gets by on a purely sensory level, but the themes aren't examined with enough gusto to keep you rooting for our bland hero. Perhaps it's his proximity to Wilde and Bridges, but Hedlund is a pretty lame protagonist. The usually reliable Michael Sheen hams it up a notch too high in a small role, and the

Daft Punk cameo

is fun at first but probably rubbed in a bit too hard over a lengthy scene.

There are also a few subplots which could easily have been excised. What's the point in introducing

Cillian Murphy's character

, who has interesting characteristics but is completely discarded after one scene? The

Zeus

subplot is almost entirely redundant, seemingly just there to beef up the running time.

They're small annoyances, but the ho-hum narrative hold the film back from being anymore than merely OK. It's far from awful, and on a sensory level dare I suggest it is a more impressive achievement than last year's big holiday release that also had an unusual obsession with the colour blue. Elsewhere, there are a handful of fun references to the original film and other surprises

(diggin' the Black Hole poster and the jukebox in the arcade particularly)

. And let me restress that the soundtrack is superb throughout, stressing the superb. Joseph Kosinski may have created the prettiest, most expensive music video ever. Unfortunately, trying to add plot to the mix caused problems, and while many of the ideas presented are curious and interesting, the manner of their delivery regularly fails to engage. Also, don't see it in 3D, it's even more useless than usual.

So we're left with a gorgeous looking and sounding film that sometimes drags its feet along the ground narratively. Still, as a cinematic experience, it passes the time, and did I stress that the soundtrack is awesome? Because it is.

P.S.: Over-analysis alert!

Did anyone else think that having the 'real-world' scenes in 2D and the 'virtual' scenes in 3D was a sly 'F U' to Disney? Like 3D may look pretty and all, but at the end of the day traditional 2D is where it's at, and where you will ultimately find happiness? No? Just Me? OK, carry on.

P.P.S:

Totally better than Avatar.

krudler

I liked it, the story was a bit meh (I havent seen the original in about 15 years, I prob shoulda watched it beforehand lol) but the visuals and the music are incredible in it, sags a bit in the middle but Jeff Bridges is great as always and Michael Sheen is funny in it.

As for the cgi faced Bridges, its not perfect, you can tell when he speaks the mouth just looks wrong and some of the movements are a bit iffy, but man its getting close to a proper cgi human face, there are some shots where if nobody told you he was cgi you wouldnt know the difference

BlitzKrieg

I had this at the end of my review on the reviews thread

but I'll post it here for discussion

On where the hell is tron's world?

The biggest flaw with this film for me by a long shot, is unlike the first film, where the *grid* is in relation to our world seems completely irrelevent, we dont have programs that fill roles in their world and ours (like how Tron in the original was a security program) they have roles but its not reflected by a role in a computer.

Why are there games if no one is playing video games? What do they do beyond persisting. It bugged me to no end and pretty much ruined the ride for me in a big way. I never got a sense of place. The original Tron was paper thin on plot but even then I could understand the stakes, its one half trying to stop a thief and the other half a thumbs up for free flowing information.

If you fail to place this universe in the same scenario, then the stakes disapear. Yes Clu is being a tyrant...but he is the tyrant of a motherboard in an abandoned computer in an abandoned arcade. Big f*cking deal.

I have to say it bugs me for the reasons I explained above but also because I swear the film was screaming at itself to do something more interesting with itself.


In the film's opening there is a big thumbs up bit for *net neutrality* and piracy etc (which I'm thinking really ****ing scared disney so we get this bull**** instead) and we had the son of the first film's big baddie showing up and all talk about keeping software secure and safe and selling it high, while our hero puts it online for free.


You know a big thumbs up to the wonders of the internet.



And then we get the world of Tron, which you could say its a closed network with no internet access essentially the safe and secure software mentioned before, and the original miracle was going to release genuine A.I from this network on to the web, thus getting that totally free internet with programs developing naturally and sharing themselves in a sort of hippy commune way where we wouldnt need big companies to make the software and have us pay them for it.


basically Linux.


And I'm not guessing this, this is how the film really sells itself in the first 10 minutes. They say this to the audience many times over and over, in the board meeting, in the clips of Flynn talking before the audience, even when Bruce says it to Sam at one point about free share of software. It is drilled home again and again.


Finally I'm thinking the original ending (this is me guessing now) was that they needed flynn's disc to open the network onto to world wide web (you know admin passcode)...not the *real* world and that Clu's armies would march through the web taking over the world via the internet and controlling everything from cyberspace. And Qurra being the last genuine A.I was going to be sent to the internet to spread free internet to everyone. Not to the real world (which still makes no sense) and the ending would have the right touch of tragedy with Sam seeing the girl he loved disapear to the internet but feeling her presence everytime he **** off to internet porn.



But seriously trying to sell that to disney is asking them to stick a big *PIRATE ME* sign over the film so they of course did not go with it.


So f*ck you imaginary exec in my head!

Saaron

I saw it last night and i really enjoyed.. One of the best movies to come out in 2010 in my opinion(bar "A serbian film") and daft punk did a great job on the ost. Some seriously awesome tunes!:pac:

Sad Professor

I was thoroughly unimpressed with the 3D in this film. I've kinda had it with 3D now. No more. It's not worth the premium. I hate the glasses and I hate the darkened image.

The film itself has quite few good things going for it. Some of the actors, the visuals, the soundtrack. But mostly I loved the whole style of the film. The costumes, the lighting, and the world that Kosinski created. The action scenes bored me though and the film is let down by the concept which is just as stupid now as it was in 1982.

The best thing to come out of the film is Kosinski who will hopefully do more sci-fi films in a similar style. The guy would be perfect for a Logan's Run remake or a Mass Effect film.

Bacchus

One big meh from me. There was just no spark to it. It just went through the paces. Action scene, exposition, action scene, exposition, action scene etc. I didn't go in expecting much from the plot but it offered nothing on any level other than eye candy. There was never a sense of tension or that the characters were ever in danger. The story moved along slowly with sudden action scenes to jump start it further.

The action itself.... meh. The initial fights and lightcycle sequences looked pretty and sleek but lacked any excitement. I found the 3D distracting in those scenes too. Later action scenes.... were there just 2 more after that?... I think so... were also pretty but uninspired. Only the

Daft Punk cameo

added some blood pumping excitement to the proceedings. For a movie whose main selling points are the action and looking cool, it fails on the action front. It is quite weak on the acting front too (and why is Bridges playing "The Dude" instead of Kevin Flynn?) which leaves just the pretty neon lights and style of the Tron world to entertain.

One positive though. The Daft Punk soundtrack is awesome.

Richard Dower

Sad Professor wrote: »

I was thoroughly unimpressed with the 3D in this film. I've kinda had it with 3D now. No more. It's not worth the premium. I hate the glasses and I hate the darkened image.

The film itself has quite few good things going for it. Some of the actors, the visuals, the soundtrack. But mostly I loved the whole style of the film. The costumes, the lighting, and the world that Kosinski created. The action scenes bored me though and the film is let down by the concept which is just as stupid now as it was in 1982.

The best thing to come out of the film is Kosinski who will hopefully do more sci-fi films in a similar style. The guy would be perfect for a Logan's Run remake or a Mass Effect film.

He's doing a remake of The Black Hole next....another Disney lost gem.

constitutionus

got to see this on sunday.

i enjoyed it !

not great but good, and it LOOKED gorgeous. definetly a case of the style far outstripping the content .

but there was some nice little philosophical ideas in there and i loved the nod's of the head to the original.

the 3D seemed to be a waste of time IMO as i cant recall any scenes that stood out as impressive. ill be going again with the brother as he cant see 3D films and there is a 2D version out there (which i didnt think was the case) so ill post if there really is a big diffrence and i just didnt cop it.

as others have posted the CGI de aging is a bit off but TBH im still glad they did it as it really did add to the film to see younger counterparts to the original characters. TBH one of the things that bugged me is why is flynn ageing ? he's a digital being in there so surely he should be virtually immortal. i thought stuff like that was WHY he was claiming the grid would change everything.

and dont start me on sam bleeding. that doesnt make a lick of sense !

i get a feeling theres a sequel in the offing here but im lost as to where they can go with it. certainly the ending leaves it open.

all in all though i reckon this film will appeal more to fans of the original. i was one so i liked being brought back into that world again.

geoffraffe

The best part of the 3D for me came from the stoned Indian dude beside me. He leaned over to me during the trailer, stinking of grass, and asked if I was seeing double on the screen. He kept taking off his glasses and rubbing his eyes in disbelief. Then as the disney logo protruded from the screen he became the typical stoner "Cool man, Wow!". Had a chuckle at this and that's pretty much where the entertainment stopped.

The film was meh at best. Didn't care for the son, or the tron universe TBH. The 3D (which was billed to be as good as avatar) wasn't even average. In fact it made no difference whatsoever. I knew that plot would be thin but I hoped the action would make up for it. Alas, no.

I wasn't bored but I wasn't far off. One to watch on blu-ray me thinks.

KerranJast

I've not been able to get this film out of my head since last night which is a good sign.

The Ones:
- Jeff Bridges: His portrayal of the aged Kevin Flynn is one part cocky 80s Kevin Flynn, one part zen-like The Dude and one part haunted soul.

He has created Eden but seen it corrupted by his own flaws. Trapped in a living nightmare he's tormented by an ageless clone of himself who has all of humanity's ambitions but none of it's soul.
Flynn is stuck in a terrible conflict between his guilt over missing 20 years of his son's life, the horror what his digital "son" CLU has become and his surrogate father relationship to Quorra and the responsibilities that entails given her true nature

- Olivia Wilde as Quorra: I've never see her work before but she's a star in the making.

She's radiant as the ass kicking yet naive ISO Quorra and her chat with Sam about the sunrise was really sweet. She's daaaamn sexy too

- The New Grid:
The Grid 2.0 is Blade Runner on neon steroids. The best thing the makers did creatively is to shelve Grid 1.0's cartoonish vistas (which were fantastic in the 80s) and move to a fully formed digital world that incorporates a lot of human architecture from Flynn's mind but also the bizarre and illuminating vistas of the world of Programs.
I especially loved the new twists on the classic TRON games bringing in more 3D aspects like

multi-tiered lightcycle battles and the finale air chase

- Daft Punk Soundtrack:
Epic. Like an extra cast member

(in the club scene that's literal)

the French duos electronic and string symphonics drive the film on. That opening scene of Sam whizzing through the traffic on his Ducati was a foreshadow of things to come. They really managed to fuse the 80s synth style to contemporary beats incredibly well.

- Tie backs to Tron 1982:

A welcome appearance by Bruce Boxleitner, the big ass security door at ENCOM, Flynn's arcade, Journey & Eurythmics in said arcade and in Grid World, Tron himself. There are a raft of little references to the old days even down to the dusty old handheld game discarded in Flynn's old office at the arcade.

It's well worth watching the old film before heading to Legacy.

- CLU as a villain:
This actually was inspired. Imagine the joy of finding your lost Father only for there to be a malevolent version of him there too who's around the same age as you and wants you dead. :eek: That's some Freudian stuff right there

The Zeros:
- Throwaway cameos:

The board meeting at the start was never mentioned again really and was the introduction of Cillian Murphy that necessary except for sequel bait?

- Garrett Hedlund as Sam: He was decent but you never really got the impression he was in any danger. For a guy transported into a computer he adapted ridiculously quickly and wasn't great at conveying a fish out of water vibe.

- Misuse of Tron:

The way Tron was redeemed was not very well handled. A much better solution would have been for him to be disabled by Sam & Quorra back at the fighter launch point and for that to reboot him. He could then have arrived in the nick of time to distract CLU.

- CLU & "young" Jeff Bridges' appearance in general:
The lip syncing was a tad off in several scenes and his eyes were always distracting. I'd much have preferred that they went with a more grainy digitized model rather than trying to replicate a younger JB.
The "uncanny valley" has not yet been resolved. AVATAR managed to avoid it by using giant blue alien protagonists to get around the audience's inherent disbelief.
Until such time as they can perfect human skin tone and eyes they need to be more sparing with such models. That said there was no excuse for the bad lip syncing job in this day and age.

Overall Tron:Legacy was a top notch cinema experience. I'm saying pretty much exactly the same things as AVATAR last year. It's a popcorn thrill ride with some engaging performances, brilliant set pieces and on top of it a killer Daft Punk soundtrack.

Mr. K

I saw it on Saturday. Decent film, very stylish. I'd actually watched the original Tron earlier that day (my memory was fuzzy), so I noticed the subtle nods. The soundtrack was the star of the show though!

constitutionus

i actually felt kinda sorry for

CLU, he did exactlywhat he was created to do. not his fault flynn gave him an impossble mission. especially when the ISOs surfaced, changing the entire game plan.

he's like a living breathing example of "be careful what you wish for!"

i thought they got that across fairly well at the end.

Phony Scott

Recently unearthed 1982 Tron Holiday Special

bledmillennium

3D was underutilized. Story is bearable. The entire movie is buoyed by its attractive fight scenes. Overall, however, is a big, fat MEH.

Richard Dower

Just back from it,head is pounding off me!....i don't even remember what they story was about as all my brainpower was focused on tryna "get" the 3D and focus on the visuals. I didn't see any depth perception in the 3D like Avatar, moreso "pop out" bits...and i mean bits.

The 3D was pretty weak imo, acting was weak all round, Jeff Bridges...ah, was this The Big Lebowski or Tron??...i thought "the dude" was back the last third of the movie.

Visually, beautiful....but it was just TOO polished, the thing about the original Tron was the suits, the lighting effects...they were blurred and washed out and kinda "neon" look, even down to the mild flickering.

Legacy was just too perfect, no bloody tanks!...wtf?, but tbf they reused everything but the tanks, i mean....you see a few tank shots but they never got involved. Why was Cillian Murphy in this?...he seems to turn up as bit parts in all these movies, Batman; Inception etc.

Overall, visually great, story and acting....meh, it's a one off "experience", if you can handle the 3D after effects.

Saaron

Richard Dower wrote: »

Jeff Bridges...ah, was this The Big Lebowski or Tron??...i thought "the dude" was back the last third of the movie.
.

Haha i started thinking that during the movie myself :rolleyes:

CabbageThing

I went to see Tron:legacy in cineworld and I was underwhelmed by the 3D. I noticed that the far right hand side of the cinema screen was blurred or in double focus just like if you were watching a 3D movie without the glasses. So I thought maybe my 3D glasses (which i kept from Avatar) were damaged ? or Cineworld were not projecting it properly??
I will just have to go see it again in a different cinema with new glasses.

Did anybody else noticed this ?

CabbageThing

constitutionus wrote: »

got to see this on sunday.

the 3D seemed to be a waste of time IMO as i cant recall any scenes that stood out as impressive. ill be going again with the brother as he cant see 3D films and there is a 2D version out there (which i didnt think was the case) so ill post if there really is a big diffrence and i just didnt cop it.


.

Why cant your brother see films in 3D? Does he only have one eye?

norrie rugger

CabbageThing wrote: »

I went to see Tron:legacy in cineworld and I was underwhelmed by the 3D. I noticed that the far right hand side of the cinema screen was blurred or in double focus just like if you were watching a 3D movie without the glasses. So I thought maybe my 3D glasses (which i kept from Avatar) were damaged ? or Cineworld were not projecting it properly??
I will just have to go see it again in a different cinema with new glasses.

Did anybody else noticed this ?

Nope, I got that too in Swan Cinema

constitutionus

CabbageThing wrote: »

Why cant your brother see films in 3D? Does he only have one eye?

ironically , considering the film were on about,t'was a bike crash.

like myself he wears glasses and when he crashed they shatterd and ripped his left eye to shreads.

in fairness to the docs, they managed to patch most of it up and he can see through it . but his pupil is permanently blown so 3D films look blurred to him even with the glasses. screws up his night vision too.

from what ive heard though people like him arent alone in stuff like this.

apparently if youve got a lazy eye or other optical conditions you cant see 3D flims either. i remember clair byrne complaining about not being able to see em when she was on newstalk.

thankfully i dont have any problems like that myself but i'll admit fitting the 3D glasses over my own can be a pain at times too. an awfull lot of fiddling goes on with em to get it just right.

he's a big sci/fi nut like myself so tron was something he was looking forward to which thankfully now he can go see.

Richard Dower

constitutionus wrote: »

ironically , considering the film were on about,t'was a bike crash.

like myself he wears glasses and when he crashed they shatterd and ripped his left eye to shreads.

in fairness to the docs, they managed to patch most of it up and he can see through it . but his pupil is permanently blown so 3D films look blurred to him even with the glasses. screws up his night vision too.

from what ive heard though people like him arent alone in stuff like this.

apparently if youve got a lazy eye or other optical conditions you cant see 3D flims either. i remember clair byrne complaining about not being able to see em when she was on newstalk.

thankfully i dont have any problems like that myself but i'll admit fitting the 3D glasses over my own can be a pain at times too. an awfull lot of fiddling goes on with em to get it just right.

he's a big sci/fi nut like myself so tron was something he was looking forward to which thankfully now he can go see.

That's my issue, i only "look" through one eye, so i keep straining to look through both and my concentration is focused on looking through both eyes to get the 3D effect......:(

Fecking eyes are banjaxed :mad:

Overature

This film was awesome, the 3D seens had lots of depth in them, none of this jumping out at you crap. beautiful sets. it was a good idea to shoot some of the seens in 3d and some in 2D. Daft punk completed it with their soundtrack.

YouTookMyName

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bQAK5nnDrI

YouTookMyName

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bQAK5nnDrI

Richard Dower

^ LOL!...better then Tron!

nyarlothothep

Enjoyable film, I liked everything about it, the bar scene was cool, I particularly liked the idea of Tron world invading reality and the isomorphic programs. Visually beautiful too and the 3D worked for me on the whole to the point where I involuntarily blinked in reaction to the grappling device they fired. Basically olivia wilde+daft punk=win.

ButtersSuki

Sorry for the delayed posting on this but I've been busy etc.

Ok, was at the preview a million days ago in the Savoy. Best thing I can say? The sound is Savoy 1 was incredible, they really had it cranked up for this. The film was meh unfortunately. Could have benefitted with a couple more light cycle sequences and more of the neon lighting, but the story was pants (i knew this would happen when I saw the Disney name but hoped they'd hold back on the schmaltz). Was impressed with the effects, there just wasn't enough of them.

I've really enjoyed Michael Sheen as an actor up to this point, but here he was hamming it up in a style previously monopolised by Pacino. It was silly at best.

Bridges was fine but didn't really have much to work with. Won't comment on the rest as they did so little.

The chicks were hot though

At the end where Hedlund says to Wilde "Come on, I want to show you something" I had to fight every urge in my body not to shout out

My cock

in the Savoy 1 as I don't think it would have gone down too well. Said it to the missus instead, she burst out laughing, cue some weird looks from those around us.....ah well, you do what you have to do to amuse yourself.

sprinkles

CabbageThing wrote: »

Why cant your brother see films in 3D? Does he only have one eye?

It just doesn't work with some people, as high as 10% of the gen pop if you believe some experts.

link

I thought Tron was great. Plot was poor, full of holes but the music was excellent and the visuals were amazing at times. The 3D was pretty shallow, not worth it imo. This is the last 3D movie I will be going to.

Phony Scott

I haven't enjoyed a film this boring since 'Star Trek: The (Slow) Motion Picture'. 5/10

Gingervitis

Saw it in 4D here in Korea, (moving seats, kinetic feedback to the punches, even some perfume blown in your face at the very end as they drove through the forest) which made the actions sequences far more exciting. Plot was a load of predictable twaddle but the experience more than made up for it.
5/10 in "regular 3D"
8/10 in 4D

patch

Very average movie.
I was expecting some good 3d at least but I can't think of one standout moment.
Clu was pretty bad, I think the animation in some PS3 titles was better.
Having looked forward to this movie for ages, seriously disappointing.

Josey Wales

I saw this last night and thought it was okay. Like most people in the thread I really enjoyed the look of the film and the soundtrack was excellent. There were a couple of scenes were it all came together like when

Kevin Flynn turned up at the End of Line Club during the fight scene.

Overall I felt it was a little a dull. There could have been a few more action set pieces. And the 3D was terrible. I can't remember any moment in the film that was enhanced by having 3D.

Handsome Bob

I liked it, good acting and some great sequences. The story was as basic as you can get but that didn't really bother me.

One thing I noticed though was that it was quite a

finite ending, I was under the impression that they were planning a trilogy, or at least that's something I heard a while back?

nyarlothothep

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I liked it, good acting and some great sequences. The story was as basic as you can get but that didn't really bother me.

One thing I noticed though was that it was quite a

finite ending, I was under the impression that they were planning a trilogy, or at least that's something I heard a while back?

I think they were hedging their bets on that one in that the ending resolves itself,

however chorra is now in the human world and shes an isomorph, Bridges stated that she and others like her could fundamentally change the world with their powers,

so it leaves a lot of possibilities for a second movie. I really hope a trilogy comes of this and that they don't abandon the austere and abstract qualities of Tron which I like it for, but I think thats doubtful as its so far made about 10 million of a loss.

Eirebear

I finally got to see it last night.

Once again 3D fails to convince me, to be honest i found it more of a distraction than anything else.
Dodgy dialogue, dodgy as hell.....It, like, messed up my zen man.
Ludicrous plot.

However, it looked great, sounded great, and left me with a smile on my face - particularly during the scenes involving Zeus in the club.

I dont really get why there is this great outpouring of hate towards it, for me it was handsdown better than the likes of Transformers 2, and on a par with the first in terms of fun.

never a classic, but top notch popcorn stuff.

d'Oracle

The plot is a metaphor for unix/open source/net neutrality.
(Or maybe a simile being that the real world section ....y'know...the bit with all the outrageous product placement.)

Like Blitzkrieg said earlier in the thread.

This of course only slightly offsets the nonsense.

don ramo

just back from it, i was thankfull when i got to the cinema to find they were only showng it in good old fashioned 2D, my eyes were fearfull of another onslought of lousey 3D graphics,

TBH i saw tron when i was about 13, and forgot everything about, and had zero interest of a rewatch, so i more or less went in blind, and TBH i havent had a 2 hour film fly by so fast in a good while, its not gonna win oscars (well outside or SFX) but i thought it was great, simple enough plot,

i was surprised to see cillian murphy at the start, and i was half expecting him to appear in the grid at some stage, thought it weird he took such a small role,

the graphics i thought were excellent, a soft almost real feeling to them, not cold and electrical like i expected, it never really seemed to go over the top with ridiculus SFX and maintained a nice level throughout,

i thought clue looked very good, your never gonna get a perfect human replica, and it seemed more real the fact he had that slight digital look to him,

i thought the main cast wilde bridges and hedlund played there parts well, only ever really seen wilde in house, she seemed a bit more loose here, and looked smoking in that outfit,

it would be interesting if they made another one, but id doubth they will any time soon,

Gunmonkey

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I think they were hedging their bets on that one in that the ending resolves itself,

however chorra is now in the human world and shes an isomorph, Bridges stated that she and others like her could fundamentally change the world with their powers,

so it leaves a lot of possibilities for a second movie. I really hope a trilogy comes of this and that they don't abandon the austere and abstract qualities of Tron which I like it for, but I think thats doubtful as its so far made about 10 million of a loss.

I think

whatever Sam downloaded onto the memory card on the chain will play a part in the sequels, i thinks its the whole game-grid and everything in it. He might experiment on it on an Encom server and perhaps Cillian Murphy's character gets wind of it and so hijinks ensue.

Was a good film, not amazing and the 3D was ok, but a fun action film with some great visuals......like Olivia Wilde

Lemegeton

a massive let down this movie was.
looks great and sounds great and has a seriously hot chic. but even for a sci-fi movie the plot is just ridiculous, nonsensical and stupid. and its predictable to boot. i loved the original and while it had its problems you could follow the story.

i mean for **** sake computer programs coming into the real world and existing there is too stupid even for sci-fi. and the programs in the original at least acted like 1 dimensional entities but in this they behave like people and eat dinner and go to bars.

**** off disney and dont make another one and **** on one of my fave childhood movies again.

PunkFreud

Saw the film today and quite enjoyed it. As has already been said, it's not a masterpiece but I felt it was worth the viewing. Did't see it in 3D though, always felt that was a bit of a gimmick. Saved myself €2

I was lucky, since Tron wasn't one of my childhood movies; I saw the original about a month ago. I felt the films were on a par with each other in terms of plot and special effects (for the era in which they were made). Didn't understand why thy had to eat though; didn't seem necessary, especially for the lady character (whatshername). In terms of the "dodgy" Jeff Bridges/Kevin Flynn dialogue, he spoke the exact same as in the first movie,

which isn't very surprising since he's spent the last 20 (real world) years in the grid, god knows how long that would be in the grid time

That said, I would not go see a sequel without Bridges, he is the franchise in my opinion.

The ending did not take Bridges out of the picture. Earlier in the film it said that it was most likely he'd die from the re-integration, not definitely. However, in my opinion, I don't think Bridges would return for the new proposed trilogy, since they seem to be focusing on Kevin Flynn's son

But, then again, I am a Bridges fan.

Oh, and am not sure if you knew, Lemegeton, but Disney made the original Tron too.

don ramo

Lemegeton wrote: »

i mean for **** sake computer programs coming into the real world and existing there is too stupid even for sci-fi.

but your perfectly fine with the cencept humans can be digitised and put into a computer

i think the reason they ate and all that is to simulate there creators, or it was programmed into them to do so from the start, the only person who could alter there coding was flynn, thats why they wanted his disc, so they could do as they pleased, without it they willl just remain what he made them,

OutlawPete

I loved it.

For one reason really, I was a fan of Tron and got it out loads when I was a kid.

I think if I didn't have that connection to the film, I wouldn't have really got much from it.

It was a thousand times better than I had expected and I just felt like a kid again watching it.

Popcorn movie really but one I thoroughly enjoyed.

Mark Hamill

Lemegeton wrote: »

i mean for **** sake computer programs coming into the real world and existing there is too stupid even for sci-fi.

Why do people have an issue with this?

Like if it makes perfect sense for a human to download into the computer world, why doesn't the reverse make sense?

Lemegeton wrote: »

and the programs in the original at least acted like 1 dimensional entities but in this they behave like people and eat dinner and go to bars.

Seeing as this is set 20 odd years ahead of the original, with the programs having been influenced by Flynn the whole time he was in the computer world, it makes sense to me that they would have grown and evolved, sure wasn't that what Flynn was trying to do in spending so much time there in the first place?

Lemegeton

PunkFreud wrote: »

Saw the film today and quite enjoyed it. As has already been said, it's not a masterpiece but I felt it was worth the viewing. Did't see it in 3D though, always felt that was a bit of a gimmick. Saved myself €2

I was lucky, since Tron wasn't one of my childhood movies; I saw the original about a month ago. I felt the films were on a par with each other in terms of plot and special effects (for the era in which they were made). Didn't understand why thy had to eat though; didn't seem necessary, especially for the lady character (whatshername). In terms of the "dodgy" Jeff Bridges/Kevin Flynn dialogue, he spoke the exact same as in the first movie,

which isn't very surprising since he's spent the last 20 (real world) years in the grid, god knows how long that would be in the grid time

That said, I would not go see a sequel without Bridges, he is the franchise in my opinion.

The ending did not take Bridges out of the picture. Earlier in the film it said that it was most likely he'd die from the re-integration, not definitely. However, in my opinion, I don't think Bridges would return for the new proposed trilogy, since they seem to be focusing on Kevin Flynn's son

But, then again, I am a Bridges fan.

Oh, and am not sure if you knew, Lemegeton, but Disney made the original Tron too.

Disney may have released the original and provided the cash but the idea, concept, and story/screenplay all came from Steven Lisberger. Tron Legacy was Disneys idea and they hired the usual hollywood hack writers.

and to answer the other comments

yes if a human can be digitized into a computer world then the reverse is not that huge a leap but as a central plot point leading an army of computer programs into the real world to take it over is just stupid IMO.
and as for the eating and drinking i dont accept that its because they evolved or that they did it to emulate the creator. thats just guess work and implanting your own theories to rationalize what was probably yet again bull**** writing from hollywood.