Passat or Celica!?

daRobot · 30-07-2008 2:32pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

Well what? Go look up 0-60 figures then on the most popular cars in Ireland. Go look up torque figures as well. It is a fast car full stop.

No it's not, unless you spend most of your time in trucks or transits.

It's just not a slow car.

microbio · 30-07-2008 2:32pm

cpoh1 wrote: »

Try 10k. Thats the reality of the car market at the moment and its not going to change.

10k?! thought they would have laughed me outta the place on 10!
whoo- whoo. cheap celica here i come!

would i be pushing my luck to insist on a time belt change on that?? :pac:

Climate Expert · 30-07-2008 2:33pm

cpoh1 wrote: »

You know nothing about cars based on comments like that. Have a read about how light cars that have high rev limits and short gear ratios negate the need for high torque figures.

Gwan away and enjoy your average run of the mill family car so we can actually talk about cars that are in some way interesting to drive and not just designed to get from A to B. Passat a fast car me hole.

If you want that sort of driving just get into a racing in Mondello. The Celica is a tinker mobile and not for a grown ups. Real driving is about comfort, economy, speed and takes place on mostly straight roads.

daRobot · 30-07-2008 2:34pm

microbio wrote: »

10k?! thought they would have laughed me outta the place on 10!
whoo- whoo. cheap celica here i come!
would i be pushing my luck to insist on a time belt change on that?? :pac:

Be braver and get 9.5k and a belt change

cpoh1 · 30-07-2008 2:35pm

microbio wrote: »

10k?! thought they would have laughed me outta the place on 10!
whoo- whoo. cheap celica here i come!
would i be pushing my luck to insist on a time belt change on that?? :pac:

Im not saying they wont laugh but the car wont shift anytime soon at 13k and unless they want the car stuck in the forecourt for the next 6 months they wont get more than 10k for it in this climate.

Call him up and let him know you're serious and have cash and you never know how you might fare!

microbio · 30-07-2008 2:39pm

cpoh1 wrote: »

Im not saying they wont laugh but the car wont shift anytime soon at 13k and unless they want the car stuck in the forecourt for the next 6 months they wont get more than 10k for it in this climate.

Call him up and let him know you're serious and have cash and you never know how you might fare!

daRobot wrote: »

Be braver and get 9.5k and a belt change

Thanks for the advice lads (? presumably

) they always take advantage of us girlies.. and never did like bargaining.. always feel a bit cheeky!

cpoh1 · 30-07-2008 2:39pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

If you want that sort of driving just get into a racing in Mondello. The Celica is a tinker mobile and not for a grown ups. Real driving is about comfort, economy, speed and takes place on mostly straight roads.

I might be mistaken but i would have thought that people on a motoring forum would want more from their car than comfort and economy. You really are coming across as someone who has no real interest in cars, "tinker mobile" talk about ignorant.

daRobot · 30-07-2008 2:40pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

If you want that sort of driving just get into a racing in Mondello. The Celica is a tinker mobile and not for a grown ups. Real driving is about comfort, economy, speed and takes place on mostly straight roads.

You're really just embarrassing yourself again on this thread as you seem to have done countless times on others.

What makes you any authority on what "Real driving" is?

Cionád · 30-07-2008 2:40pm

daRobot wrote: »

It's just not a slow car.

True. But by the same token the Celica 140 is not a fast car either.

Zube · 30-07-2008 2:43pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

Less torque

You know that thing operated by the stick with the knob on the end? Near your left hand? If you press the pedal on the left with your foot, and then move that stick to a different slot, then release the pedal, it changes to a thing called a "lower gear". You are even allowed to do this in a diesel Passat!

Climate Expert · 30-07-2008 2:46pm

Zube wrote: »

You know that thing operated by the stick with the knob on the end? Near your left hand? If you press the pedal on the left with your foot, and then move that stick to a different slot, then release the pedal, it changes to a thing called a "lower gear". You are even allowed to do this in a diesel Passat!

Well thats for makign sure you are in peak torque and BHP range. But it doesnt give you extra torque. Use your head a bit.

Climate Expert · 30-07-2008 2:49pm

cpoh1 wrote: »

I might be mistaken but i would have thought that people on a motoring forum would want more from their car than comfort and economy. You really are coming across as someone who has no real interest in cars, "tinker mobile" talk about ignorant.

We don't all have to love cars the same way here. If I had a choice of car it wouldnt be some ferarri or Evo10 it would be an A8 or S class. Thats what I like in cars. Class, speed, refinement and luxury. Passats give me all of the above on a budget.

Vertakill · 30-07-2008 2:53pm

10-11k is about right for a 01, yeah.

A standard VVTi Celica is going to be marginally quicker than the Passat, but it'll handle an awful lot better. It also lookes 10x better than, probably the most boring car on the road, the Passat.

And jesus christ, I'd never thought I'd see the day where people would be saying Passat's were fast cars, especially the 130bhp diesel.

Zube · 30-07-2008 2:53pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

But it doesnt give you extra torque.

Do tell us more about gearboxes! We'd love to hear you explain!

cpoh1 · 30-07-2008 2:53pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

Well thats for makign sure you are in peak torque and BHP range. But it doesnt give you extra torque. Use your head a bit.

Read one of my older posts about high revs and torque and learn more about it before telling someone to use their head.

Climate Expert wrote: »

We don't all have to love cars the same way here. If I had a choice of car it wouldnt be some ferarri or Evo10 it would be an A8 or S class. Thats what I like in cars. Class, speed, refinement and luxury. Passats give me all of the above on a budget.

Buy an older 7 series or LS430 if you want speed, class and refinement on a budget from a car. Not only are they cheaper than the passat they 5 times the car also. I dont mean to insult you but the passat is nothing like you think it is, its not even a decent reliable family saloon by modern standards. The mondeo, mazda 6 and dare I say it the focus are light years ahead of the passat.

Climate Expert · 30-07-2008 2:56pm

cpoh1 wrote: »

Read one of my older posts about high revs and torque and learn more about it before telling someone to use their head.

Buy an older 7 series or LS430 if you want speed, class and refinement on a budget from a car. Not only are they cheaper than the passat they 5 times the car also. I dont mean to insult you but the passat is nothing like you think it is, its not even a decent reliable family saloon by modern standards. The mondeo, mazda 6 and dare I say it the focus are light years ahead of the passat.

its always overstated here about how much better the Mondeo is. It rides and handles better than the Passat and that is it. Car enthusiasts give too much weight to these when there are many other important aspects about a car.

The Passat was the catalyst for all these high quality family saloons you see now. It was the first that brought premium levels of quality to the sector.

blackbox · 30-07-2008 2:57pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

Well thats for makign sure you are in peak torque and BHP range. But it doesnt give you extra torque. Use your head a bit.

Well, while changing down may not give you more torque at the flywheel, it actually does give you more torque at the driving wheels.

Torque: the tendency of a force to rotate an object about an axis.

see post above from daRobot.:o

Climate Expert · 30-07-2008 2:59pm

so how do you increase a cars peak torque then by changing gears. Say I have a 5 speed punto and I want to get 500lbs/ft of torque like proper supercar. How does changing gears give me this?

Seriously lads, you are clashing with your intellectual superior here.

JHMEG · 30-07-2008 3:05pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

Seriously lads, you are clashing with your intellectual superior here.

ROFLMAO!!!

This is the funniest thread on here in a while!

BTW, I too want to know how I can get 500 lb/ft of torque out of my Civic. Will changing gears be enough or should I get it chipped? Or maybe a performance exhaust?

Vertakill · 30-07-2008 3:12pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

Seriously lads, you are clashing with your intellectual superior here.

OOOooh no he didn't !! *Clicks fingers around face wildly*

Zube · 30-07-2008 3:16pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

so how do you increase a cars peak torque then by changing gears.

Not only do you not understand cars, you don't even understand Lego Technic.

Climate Expert · 30-07-2008 3:18pm

Zube wrote: »

Not only do you not understand cars, you don't even understand Lego Technic.

I've asked the question again and again but nobody will give me an answer. That would make me believe they don't know what they are talking about.

Ferris · 30-07-2008 3:25pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

so how do you increase a cars peak torque then by changing gears. Say I have a 5 speed punto and I want to get 500lbs/ft of torque like proper supercar. How does changing gears give me this?

Seriously lads, you are clashing with your intellectual superior here.

I actually can't be bothered explaining this to an 'intellectual' so:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm

Read it, you might learn something.

cpoh1 · 30-07-2008 3:29pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

I've asked the question again and again but nobody will give me an answer. That would make me believe they don't know what they are talking about.

First you need to understand what exactly torque means, only then can you understand why its not so important in cars with engines with high crank rotational speeds or to you simply rpm.

Climate Expert · 30-07-2008 3:41pm

cpoh1 wrote: »

First you need to understand what exactly torque means, only then can you understand why its not so important in cars with engines with high crank rotational speeds or to you simply rpm.

'BHP sells cars, Torque wins races'

cpoh1 · 30-07-2008 3:44pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

'BHP sells cars, Torque wins races'

I thought it was comfort refinement and class that sold cars :pac:

Biro · 30-07-2008 4:46pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

ColmMcm has already proved you wrong in this regard you ignoramus. He has had both and has concluded that the Passat is faster.

Spot the defensive Celica owners here.

I'm not a Celica owner, but have owned one for 3 years, I know what it can and can't do. It's not a fast car, but it IS faster than a 130bhp Passat. ColmMcm didn't prove me wrong - he didn't even state that the Passat was quicker (he said in real world conditions, which he most likely meant everyday relaxed driving), and you'd do well to apologise to me for calling me an ignoramus, because if you're so hung up on figures for your Passat then you might notice that the Celica figures beat the Passat's ones.

Climate Expert wrote: »

Wrong.
Best in class when released (and throughout its life in my opnion)
Looks great. Very nice proportions in good spec models.
Drives fairly nicely for a FWD, some quattros as well.ESP is quite common with them.
It is fast relative to 80% of cars on the roads.
Mondeo is like but it is overall an inferior car. Poor cabin design, cheaper fittings.

Best in class when released maybe, that was in 1997. 2001 was only a face lift and that's when it fell behind. Looks great? Fair enough... won't let you decorate my house! Good spec? Even VW knew that the Passat was scantily spec'd, that's why they took over in 2006 and started importing themselves into this country and immediately upped the spec on all VW's.
Mondeo - poor cabin design? Same guy who designed the Passat designed the Mondeo.
I don't know what your story is, but you're showing yourself up in this thread for what you aren't - a real petrol head!

HashSlinging · 30-07-2008 5:05pm

LE mans 24hr won with a TDi. Ahem.!

Climate Expert · 30-07-2008 5:18pm

Passat has a higher top speed than Celica. Theres a figure for you.
Passat is quicker from 30-50, 30-70 and 50-70 figures that would also interest a racing driver.

But of course the Celica is quicker to 60 and we all know how often that is put into practice.

ps.
2001 was not just a face lift. You are showing your ignorance here.

cpoh1 · 30-07-2008 5:22pm

Climate Expert wrote: »

Passat has a higher top speed than Celica. Theres a figure for you.
Passat is quicker from 30-50, 30-70 and 50-70 figures that would also interest a racing driver.

But of course the Celica is quicker to 60 and we all know how often that is put into practice.

ps.
2001 was not just a face lift. You are showing your ignorance here.

Do you have a source for the in gear times to make this claim or are you just making it up like everything else?

Passat or Celica!?

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