The General Talk or Moan About Your Dart Skills Thread

Ronan|Raven

One other thing I like to moan about is the nights where you get a treble one mixed into a half decent throw. Can be hard to keep your composure at times. One could argue switching to 19's when this happens a few timesi n a match but I am awful stubborn

Kingp35

Yeah the treble 1's and treble 5's can be very annoying. I start to get very annoyed with myself if I keep hitting them and my darts go to sh1t. So many times I end up just the wrong side of the wire and can be very frustrating. Not much you can do about though other than keep plugging away!

dionsiseire

ive just put up my eclipse trainer pro

soooo different, ive started hitting the treble though, this is new fun and challenging, took out 152 to win a leg on it, which was ultimately VERY satisfying

whaaames

being honest im strictly a bedroom player, have been for years but reading about fellas doin 10 and 11 dart legs makes my 16 and 17 darters look rubbish, but when i throw i find the worst thing ya can do is try force it if its not happening, if im not hitting the 20s as reguler as id want i just wanna launch the arrows out the window, but trying to force it never works...just leave it alone for a while n dont think about...

altho i always wondered what my nerve would be like playin in front of people....

Kingp35

whaaames wrote: »

being honest im strictly a bedroom player, have been for years but reading about fellas doin 10 and 11 dart legs makes my 16 and 17 darters look rubbish, but when i throw i find the worst thing ya can do is try force it if its not happening, if im not hitting the 20s as reguler as id want i just wanna launch the arrows out the window, but trying to force it never works...just leave it alone for a while n dont think about...

altho i always wondered what my nerve would be like playin in front of people....

You never know until you try, sure it could even improve your game. I know when I play a better player in front of people I tend to up my game, purely because I know I will be embarrassed if I don't.

Even go down your local pub and play there, you will have lads watching you play and it will give you a little experience. Good fun too

nhughes100

Hadn't thrown for a good while until last night due to one thing or another and missed double 16 for a 149 checkout. Ah maybe next time. A break can definitely help you lose some of that muscle memory that for me anyway was causing me to release too late.

mr.jingle

I think im fallin out of love for this game jus cant get my head sorted for a match was playin the singles last night in practice hit at least 5 180s countless 100+s and then go play the match against and no disrespect meant a player i should beat 2-0 but get beat 2-0 by playin atrocious darts i didnt take him lightly or anythin i just cannot perform the way i used too anymore im jus gettin too nervous and i dunno why!:mad:

Rented Mule

You're over thinking the situation, and it is not uncommon.

I used to do the exact same thing, and then would only start to hit again, when I was completely out of the match. Then I realised that it was all in my head.

When you practice, think about what you are doing. Start a routine/rhythm of everything you do when you practice. Burn your practice routine into your head.

I throw darts with tri-coloured flights. I would throw them in order green, white, gold, over and over again. If I picked up the gold flight second, I would stop, put it back in my hand and pick up the white dart. I became so focussed on my routine, that I didn't worry about everything else, and it actually started to pay off from the oche.

It may sound silly, but you need to concentrate on something other than 'oh ****e ...I hope I don't bottle this' when you are up to the oche.

Play the board, follow your routine, and forget about everything else.....and have fun.

dionsiseire

Mr Jingle, i am the same almost, i seem to throw magic in the shed and bottle in tournaments or league matches

I dont intend on giving up anytime soon though, i know im better than players im playing, i just need to make it happen, i know im capable and i know its all in my head, im getting less and less nervous in each game, the level of shaking in my hand is reducing each time and i know that if i manage to get a win, and then a back to back win i'll kick on from there

jossnjuice

was convinced that i would have been a solid 60 average kinda guy and regularly take out tonne plus checkouts.....downloaded dart pro and suprisingly enough, started on a 40 avg!!!god dame my high expectaitons of myself...whats the standard average in dart legues aroung the country anyone know???think its 60'ish??

swalsh

Had one of my frustrating evenings last night. We had a league match against the top of the table team, which we can always push close and also before that match we had to play off between ourselves to determine who would play in a singles comp (only 2 per team could enter).
Played a few practice games and was throwing really well, including one game where I finished in 12 darts with a 155 checkout. Fairly confident I was going to be at least one of the throwers to get through for the competition but as usual I completely messed up in the game.
Scored really well but couldn't finish for anything. Had 7 darts at tops but I reckon that if I went up to the board I wouldn't have placed it in!! Lost it 2-0.

With confidence shot and a little angry we went out to the league game where I played well, nothing special in the doubles albeit winning 2-0. In the singles I had a dejavu moment where scored pretty well but manage to miss 6 darts to finish although eventually getting out. In the second leg I threw a 15 darter finishing with a 116.
I think that I was more mad than happy at the end of the game because of the first leg and the inability to finish games off.

dionsiseire

Ive played 2 matches and lost both throwing similar darts to what i throw in practice

That said ive been down and in with a shout at the double

i would average about 60+ in practice, i think i need to get myself to 70 in practice to allow for the drop in standard once im playing competitive

Ronan|Raven

I went out last night throwing with a local team, all serious throwers most would easily average 70. Threw the worst darts I have thrown in ages.. I was nervous alright and wanted to play as well as I could and in turn I think out myself under more pressure... was stone cold sober as well as I had to drive which didnt help ease the nerves. Ah well not gona let myself get too pissed off over it. Will be back next week.

dionsiseire

Go out and just aim to hit solid 60's while down there, forget about tons and ton 40's just get your confidence up slowly and if they have a practice session definitely get in on it

Kingp35

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

I went out last night throwing with a local team, all serious throwers most would easily average 70. Threw the worst darts I have thrown in ages.. I was nervous alright and wanted to play as well as I could and in turn I think out myself under more pressure... was stone cold sober as well as I had to drive which didnt help ease the nerves. Ah well not gona let myself get too pissed off over it. Will be back next week.

Well it's all experience and playing with throwers of that quality of only going to make you a better player. You have done the first night now so next time you play with them you won't be as nervous because you know what to expect. You can learn a lot even by just looking at this lads throw, how they go about it and you also become much better at counting watching them play. I would definitely like the chance to throw with some lads who average in the 70's!

Ronan|Raven

dionsiseire wrote: »

Go out and just aim to hit solid 60's while down there, forget about tons and ton 40's just get your confidence up slowly and if they have a practice session definitely get in on it

That was the practise session! Know what you mean about solid 60s as an old fella i used to throw with told me hitting 60s steadily will win you most games. The odd treble thrown in doesnt hurt either..

Evolution Enter

Little trick I use when my darts start letting me down in a tournament. Aim three darts for the bottom of the double twenty, if you hit it it's a bonus, but because you're not thinking about scoring, you can end up straightening out your throw while under pressure.

Can't emphasise enough how important relaxation is though. Nerves are great for ya when you can relax.

Double Top

When i first started playing darts i was a nervous wreck, my hand used to shake and i felt like throwing up on more then one occasion and my mind would be racing with "if i hit that and he hits that that would mean i would have to hit that and then that" it drove me crazy but one day my mate called me up to say they were short one player and would i mind stepping in so i went up knew there was no pressure on me and threw the best darts of my life. fell into the fives alot but made up for it by putting the other two darts into the T20, finished a 13 and 16 darter with a 180 and loads of 100+. my advise to any player new or expierenced is to clear your mind take your time and just remember you have three darts and he has three darts don't worry what he score JUST PLAY THE BOARD:D

Ronan|Raven

Some good advice alright. I suppose it was a new venue, new people than the last time, wanting to play to the standard you know you are capable. The frustration and dissapointment as you see your dart hitting something you werent even looking at as if it waso nes first time to ever chuck an arrow.

Kingp35

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

Some good advice alright. I suppose it was a new venue, new people than the last time, wanting to play to the standard you know you are capable. The frustration and dissapointment as you see your dart hitting something you werent even looking at as if it waso nes first time to ever chuck an arrow.

Well that is probably my biggest problem, frustration, it just really gets to me. Like today when playing the N01 program I was playing brilliantly. I was averaging just below 70 and winning 5-2 in legs and hitting decent amount of tons, couple 140's and a 180. Then I started to drift into the 5's a little and I tried really hard then to keep in the 20 but it kept going into the 5's I got really frustrated. Then it all went to **** because I was so annoyed with myself. Ended up averaging 56 and losing 8-5.

I suppose darts is just as much a mental sport a sit is physical. It's not like football where you have another ten lads to drag you along when it's not going right. There's only you up there and if it's not right upstairs you're not going to win.

Evolution Enter

Christ, had a league match this evening and before hand myself and two of the lads met tup. In all the legs we played the most darts we used was 28 darts, most legs were low 20's

Went to play the team in the neighbouring town and threw awful crap. one leg I threw I used 54 darts before my opponent finished. Was bulling with myself. I didn't like the board, the fact that there was no light directed on the board or that there was a rubber mat being used as an oche. But my opponent had to throw the same board as I did. Unbelieveably frustrating to lose legs using the same amount of darts I'd usuaully finish two games in

ratinakeg

Evolution Enter wrote: »

Christ, had a league match this evening and before hand myself and two of the lads met tup. In all the legs we played the most darts we used was 28 darts, most legs were low 20's

Went to play the team in the neighbouring town and threw awful crap. one leg I threw I used 54 darts before my opponent finished. Was bulling with myself. I didn't like the board, the fact that there was no light directed on the board or that there was a rubber mat being used as an oche. But my opponent had to throw the same board as I did. Unbelieveably frustrating to lose legs using the same amount of darts I'd usuaully finish two games in

I'd say your opponent is used to this poor lighting, rubbish board and that rubber mat. By the sounds of it your earlier play with your mates you would beat him 9 times out of 10 with a half decent set up. Hope you can get some revenge!

Evolution Enter

Ah yeah, just a frustrating night at the board. Think something you have to remember, most players in their 20's, even the pro's, are notoriously inconsistant in their 20's

Gotta just stick with it

Degag

Anyone find that if they practice too hard before playing, they lose their touch?

I practiced for about 2 hours last friday night before heading out to a tournie and threw some horrendous darts... thinking of going practicing now and give myself a break before going out later.

ratinakeg

I've just played 14 legs against the NO1 Level 6 and I'm knackered.
I was hammered 12-2, but I got a 17 darter to make up for that disappointment. My average was 19.52 (close to my normal average) compared to its 21.39. It also scored 18 100+ and 3 140+ compared to my rubbish 6 100+ and just one 140+. Time for more practice!

Kingp35

I just played best of 15 legs on N01 against the computer on Level 5. I ended up losing 8-4 after playing some horrible darts at the start and coming back strong in the end. I ended up with a pretty poor 18.1 average and he averaged 21.71. I scored 9 100+ and 1 140 and he scored 11 100+ and 2 140's. On the plus side my checkout % was very high at 80%. i hit 4/5 in my doubles so it's pretty obvious that my problem was my scoring. Have to say I am delighted with that %, never got it that high before but I suppose I did only get 5 shots at a double.

That's pretty strange though that the computer had a higher average against me on Level 5 than it did against ratinakeg on Level 6. Whenever I play it on level 6 he usually beats me pretty easy with an average of about 23 or 24.

getz

ratinakeg wrote: »

Played 2 games of 501 last night and won both games, all though I was happy with my finish, (finishing on tops twice with just 1 dart in each game) I was'nt happy with my scoring. Its normally the last dart of the three whats letting me down at the moment just sliding into the 5. For instance last night 1st dart= t20, 2nd =t20 3rd = 5, I'm just hitting too many 45's and 55's making me abit angry:mad:. I don't know if its a concentration thing or what, anybody out there have a solution for this problem?

i played darts at a country level in england many years ago and played and won against most of the top international players ,when i played badly i would have a relook at my game ,like am i standing correctly, [legs firm no movement]standing with my arm in line to the board,and when i throw is my body moving,remember your eyes have to compensate for not just the distance but also for your body movement , think like a darts machine,one more tip do not look at your apponents score,play your own game-i have even had a warning for throwing two darts then having a drink of my pint before throwing the other,it worked for me - all the best boardies

ratinakeg

getz wrote: »

i played darts at a country level in england many years ago and played and won against most of the top international players ,when i played badly i would have a relook at my game ,like am i standing correctly, [legs firm no movement]standing with my arm in line to the board,and when i throw is my body moving,remember your eyes have to compensate for not just the distance but also for your body movement , think like a darts machine,one more tip do not look at your apponents score,play your own game-i have even had a warning for throwing two darts then having a drink of my pint before throwing the other,it worked for me - all the best boardies

That's some impressive advise, cheers!!

ratinakeg

Kingp35 wrote: »

I just played best of 15 legs on N01 against the computer on Level 5. I ended up losing 8-4 after playing some horrible darts at the start and coming back strong in the end. I ended up with a pretty poor 18.1 average and he averaged 21.71. I scored 9 100+ and 1 140 and he scored 11 100+ and 2 140's. On the plus side my checkout % was very high at 80%. i hit 4/5 in my doubles so it's pretty obvious that my problem was my scoring. Have to say I am delighted with that %, never got it that high before but I suppose I did only get 5 shots at a double.

That's pretty strange though that the computer had a higher average against me on Level 5 than it did against ratinakeg on Level 6. Whenever I play it on level 6 he usually beats me pretty easy with an average of about 23 or 24.

I couldn't answer that one for you KingP, It seemed to have a sequence of good score (eg 100), bad score (eg 26) decent score (60)..... then finished its doubles pretty quickly

matty84

ratinakeg wrote: »

I've just played 14 legs against the NO1 Level 6 and I'm knackered.
I was hammered 12-2, but I got a 17 darter to make up for that disappointment. My average was 19.52 (close to my normal average) compared to its 21.39. It also scored 18 100+ and 3 140+ compared to my rubbish 6 100+ and just one 140+. Time for more practice!

Level 6 only averaged 21.39:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Usually when i play against that level for a laugh it averages around 36 per dart:eek::eek:

Kingp35

matty84 wrote: »

Level 6 only averaged 21.39:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Usually when i play against that level for a laugh it averages around 36 per dart:eek::eek:

I think you have the old version of N01. In the new version of N01 the computer has 12 different skill levels. You should get the new version because it's much better.

Degag

Kingp35 wrote: »

On the plus side my checkout % was very high at 80%. i hit 4/5 in my doubles so it's pretty obvious that my problem was my scoring. Have to say I am delighted with that %, never got it that high before but I suppose I did only get 5 shots at a double.

How do you get your checkout average? It won't come up for me, obviously because when i checkout it doesn't know how many darts i actually had at a double...

Anyway, i played earlier on, went 4 sets down, first to 5, came back to 4 - 4 but he won the last set.:( I had an average of about 13.5 for first 4 sets but got it up to close to 16 by the end... Had 13 ton pluses, a 140 and 180 too:D

ratinakeg

Degag wrote: »

How do you get your checkout average? It won't come up for me, obviously because when i checkout it doesn't know how many darts i actually had at a double...

Anyway, i played earlier on, went 4 sets down, first to 5, came back to 4 - 4 but he won the last set.:( I had an average of about 13.5 for first 4 sets but got it up to close to 16 by the end... Had 13 ton pluses, a 140 and 180 too:D

When on the main page, click game, go down to option click that then click player, when there you will see a check-out average box, click that and you should be ok.

Degag

ratinakeg wrote: »

When on the main page, click game, go down to option click that then click player, when there you will see a check-out average box, click that and you should be ok.

Cool, cheers.

Double Top

was playing no1 last night and it was one of the most frustrating nights of my live. was playing on level 5 and was scoring better then it every leg, on a finish before it every time but when i went for a double i just couldn't hit them, lost 8-2 with a 8% checkout percentage. 156,143,120, all these missed, first two darts in the trebles last dart always clipped the wire of the double but never went in. finished a 64 (T16 D8) and a 52(S20 D16) but that was it, and just to add insult to injury averaged 85 (higher then the computer) and the two legs i won were 14 and 17 darters:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

passinginterest

I know how you feel. I usually play sets, best of five. I played 10 sets last night on n01 at level 3, so I'd expect to be winning most, but I was all over the place. I won 8-2 but it all sets I lost at least 1 leg. Played 45 legs in total, hitting 45 ton and 9 140's, which is Ok but only managed to average 19.135 and had a check out % of 15.88. Concentration is definitely my biggest issue, the girlfriend was in and out chatting to me and I couldn't get into a rhythm. I suppose it's good practice for a pub environment with distractions all over. Made a real effort to concentrate for the last set and had my best average of the night check out % was only 14.29 but my first 9 darts averaged 29.267 (it went to 5 legs so I'd say that's about my best ever) overall average of 22.934, which I'd be happy enough if I could sustain, although with the first 9 that high I'd hope to be able to do better.

The joy and frustration of the game

whaaames

I'm using the new 12 level version of N01 and had an epic match last night, was throwing yesterday afternoon and wasn't going my way so i gave in pretty early, but anyway i said i'd give it another go last night n was dramatically better. I play with most success on level 6 so thats what i went with and started exceptional for me, won the first set 3-0 with a 84 average, had 2 180's in the set alone. Naturally enough the average went down from there but still trhew well. The game ended up with me winnin ghte first 3 sets, losing the next 2 and winning the last 2, real up and down affair but was dead happy with my darts. Finished 5-2 to me and had 32 100+, 12 140+ and 4 180s, and a 70.22 average.
But again it's the old story for me, last night was great but i could throw today and only have a 55 average and get lashed out of it, ah well the joys of darts...

Kingp35

I have been incredibly steady of late, always averaging between 55-58. i just can't seem to break that 60 barrier because I am miss to many big numbers when trying to score. It's very frustrating. I know once I start to break 60 then I will kick on from there. It's playing on the auld mind too much!

whaaames

i was the same, before i even knew there was such software as N01 i used to write my scores down for 100 visits to the board, no legs just a straight shoot out and see what my average would be and i used to always score 6250/6300 i.e. 62.5/63 and could never break 65 but then i did one day and from there i've pushed my average for a straight shoot out to 76, 77,78, so it's a mental thing too. i never try force it, try to push it coz it's then that the fat 5's and fat 1's start becoming prominant...

Evolution Enter

You include hitting doubles in those averages??

Kingp35

Evolution Enter wrote: »

You include hitting doubles in those averages??

Yeah of course. If you say your average is 60 and you don't include shots at double you're just kidding yourself! That being said I am usually very good on my doubles so there wouldn't be all that much of a difference between my average including doubles and excluding doubles. My problem is too many stray darts into the 5's and 1's.

matty84

Having this problem just lately of wasting darts coming to the end of a leg ie say ive 57 left and going for fat 17 tops, i seem to hit fat 3 or 2 and its so frustrating cos it means im only getting 1 dart at that all important double, and the more i tink about it the worse i get

Evolution Enter

I meant for the 100 visits to the board game, sounds like a scoring average game rather than a finishing average

I play a game like that, three darts at every number from 1 to twenty, then three at 25 and three at bull, so 66 darts, aim is to crack 1000

Kingp35

I just played 2 games against the computer in N01 and I had an absolute nightmare on the doubles! I don't know what happened to me today I just couldn't hit a thing. I was scoring pretty well and if I had hit my doubles I would have beaten him easy as I had a shot in nearky every leg. In the first game my percentage was only 9.09% and then in the second game it was worse again at 6.14% even though I ended up with a higher average.

Darts can be a very annoying game at times!

ratinakeg

Kingp35 wrote: »

I just played 2 games against the computer in N01 and I had an absolute nightmare on the doubles! I don't know what happened to me today I just couldn't hit a thing. I was scoring pretty well and if I had hit my doubles I would have beaten him easy as I had a shot in nearky every leg. In the first game my percentage was only 9.09% and then in the second game it was worse again at 6.14% even though I ended up with a higher average.

Darts can be a very annoying game at times!

It's a pain in the backside sometimes!
I played my mate earlier, really poor from both of us, 3 dart average 0f 41.37 from me and 40.27 from him.
Thank God I won 4-2!

whaaames

Evolution Enter wrote: »

You include hitting doubles in those averages??

no i dont, i just take 100 visits to the board n try get as high a score as possible, and then calculate a 3 dart average, just a simple thing i do to practice, and then try beat it the next time...

dionsiseire

Played the Computer in 5 sets of Darts, Each set was first to 3, Computer was Level 6 out of 12

I lost 4 sets to 1, averages 65 in end, computer averaged 69.5

My highest out was 112, his was 65

My Worst Winning leg was 25 darts and best was 17
His Worst winning leg was 26 darts and best was 15

Some Game

Kingp35

Sounds like you played some top darts in that! Believe it or not I still haven't managed to beat the computer on Level 5 yet! He keeps averaging mid 60's against me and beating me by a couple of legs. Very Annoying.

dionsiseire

Aye, i find that 5 and 6 aint to different, slightly higher average, but i mean the difference of a point or 2 in the 60's level is merely hitting a 22 or a 41 instead of a 60, its not hard to make up a point, its 5 or 10 points thats the big one

I threw decent darts and its a new set as ive had to change my dart due to the new one's i got at christmas not having a good enough grip, during a league match i found the dart slipping out of the hand as i was throwing (nerves, pressure, sweaty finger tips) tried to keep my fingers dry but alas no joy. so ive switched and im much happier with the grip on the new ones

that said, im not sure what kind of darts they are, just found them in the house

dionsiseire

Was out again tonight against the computer

played 3 Match, 5 sets in each match

Lost 5-0 in the first one playing frankly aweful darts until the last set. Averaged about 52, only took 2 legs in that one

Lost 4-1 in the second game, playing better darts, but the computer played a stormer

Lost 4-1 in the final one but so many legs i could have and should have won and comfortably won 3-2. Alas i need work on my doubles.

Hit 4 - 180's, 8 - 140's and 34 - 100's during the 3 games

Best Leg 19 Darter
Worst Leg 35 Darter

Big difference from the other night, stronger scoring weaker checking out.

Highest Out was 71