Prison Officer

Shield

Regarding male and female POs, I would say the very same about male and female peelers. I've worked with some astonishing female peelers who aren't afraid to dive in when things kick off and horse through files as if they didn't exist. Don't think I'd like to be married to one though.

480905

Some of the men use their gender to get handy numbers as well....Thats when they have to tuck their large tails in behind them in case they get caught in the door of the Governors Offices after giving all the gossip in the locker room/mess/union meetings etc....

cordub

480905 wrote: »

Some of the men use their gender to get handy numbers as well....Thats when they have to tuck their large tails in behind them in case they get caught in the door of the Governors Offices after giving all the gossip in the locker room/mess/union meetings etc....

hmmmmmmmm sounds like a nation wide epidemic lol :)

480905

cordub wrote: »

hmmmmmmmm sounds like a nation wide epidemic lol :)

I would even hazard a guess, miss ,that we know the same ones?????
Unashamed they are....But it gets them nowhere... gob****es

cordub

480905 wrote: »

I would even hazard a guess, miss ,that we know the same ones?????
Unashamed they are....But it gets them nowhere... gob****es

HAHA Im sure we might do sure dont their reputations travel the country . nothing like the prison drums . who needs a :Dmobile lol

Rawhead

The females PO's that keep their femininity in a tough male environment are the best officers. It is very easy to become "one of the lads". Females where hired because of female quality's, they bring a level of civility to a landing and lags tend to mind their manners a bit more in female company. Some females are sh1te at the job and some are very good. Some use their gender to get fixed up and others don't.

I will add that there are too many females in certain jails at the moment and this is causing problems with staffing levels on nights, escort duties etc. Female PO's in a male prison cannot perform 100% of the duties required (they cannot work anywhere that males are undressed or searched) so this limits the duties they can be detailed. The rules state that no more than 10% of the officers in a male prison should be female and this is being grossly exceeded in places. Due to the nature of the prison service you cannot count male and female officers as equal in a male prison. The same applies with regards to male officers in a female prison.

cordub

Rawhead wrote: »

The females PO's that keep their femininity in a tough male environment are the best officers. It is very easy to become "one of the lads". Females where hired because of female quality's, they bring a level of civility to a landing and lags tend to mind their manners a bit more in female company. Some females are sh1te at the job and some are very good. Some use their gender to get fixed up and others don't.

I will add that there are too many females in certain jails at the moment and this is causing problems with staffing levels on nights, escort duties etc. Female PO's in a male prison cannot perform 100% of the duties required (they cannot work anywhere that males are undressed or searched) so this limits the duties they can be detailed. The rules state that no more than 10% of the officers in a male prison should be female and this is being grossly exceeded in places. Due to the nature of the prison service you cannot count male and female officers as equal in a male prison. The same applies with regards to male officers in a female prison.

to true I tend to lean on the feminine side !! nothing worse than working with shemen !! and we have a few. The womans touch and humour most def helps in some situations a sign in our place on a landing where a woman is class officer reads " You mother doesnt work here so please clean up your own mess " amazing no words needed sometimes a simple finger pointed at the sign and a wink works adequately :D

Delancey

Do male Prison Officers working with female prisoners not run a high risk of being the subject of unfounded allegations against them ?
I would have thought it very easy for a prisoner to allege some sort of inappropriate behaviour by an officer in a male / female setting ?

Rawhead

Delancey wrote: »

Do male Prison Officers working with female prisoners not run a high risk of being the subject of unfounded allegations against them ?
I would have thought it very easy for a prisoner to allege some sort of inappropriate behaviour by an officer in a male / female setting ?

It's not really that much of an issue as far as I'm aware. The female lags tend to behave around male officers the same way as male lags do around female officers. They tend to react well to male figures who aren't trying to pimp/beat/rape or abuse them.

cordub

as far as allegations go unfortunatly due to the type of person we are dealing with in our job you dont need to be of the oppisite sex to have allegations made againist you, remember we are dealing with the lowest of the lowest in society they are not in prison for being innocent they are generally convicted many many times. sometimes allegations are made just to upset and cause disruption to the staff , could be simply because they didnt get a visit or a shop order !! thats all it takes remeber your not dealing with Decent , honest people here , people seem to forget that!!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Shield

So how do you deal with people who have been jailed for non-payment of fines, contempt of court, and other silly small things where the judge must have had a hangover?

cordub wrote: »

remeber your not dealing with Decent , honest people here , people seem to forget that!

cordub

psni wrote: »

So how do you deal with people who have been jailed for non-payment of fines, contempt of court, and other silly small things where the judge must have had a hangover?

I was speaking about the majority of prisoners and those who make untrue allegations, We deal with all prisoners in the same way generally, obviously if a person is abusive to you dont treat them in the same was as a person who treats you with respect , generally as a rule I treat all of the prisoners as I would any person I meet , I give them what they are entitled and any other information they need . At the end of the day nobody wants to go to work to cause trouble , hurt or abuse anyone and above all WE the staff want to come home to our families uninjured which sadly often does not happen, BTW most PO's injured in work are injured PROTECTING prisoners from each other, or defending themselves from being attacked by drugged up prisoners :(

480905

psni wrote: »

So how do you deal with people who have been jailed for non-payment of fines, contempt of court, and other silly small things where the judge must have had a hangover?

I don't understand the context of the question?? Everybody is dealt with the same way. We're not there to judge or pass comment. If there is a valid warrant for the person then they are a Prisoner. No matter what the public perception of the offence is, they are dealt with in exactly the same way. If the Judge sees his/her way to locking someone up then that's all she wrote.... We have no leeway in how they are dealt with.

cordub

480905 wrote: »

I don't understand the context of the question?? Everybody is dealt with the same way. We're not there to judge or pass comment. If there is a valid warrant for the person then they are a Prisoner. No matter what the public perception of the offence is, they are dealt with in exactly the same way. If the Judge sees his/her way to locking someone up then that's all she wrote.... We have no leeway in how they are dealt with.

thats what I was trying to say ;););)

480905

There's a public perception that it's like Porridge , where there's good humoured banter and communication between staff and prisoners, but in reality, that ain't the case.... Yes there are prisoners that will talk away to you and have the craic and staff find that they can talk to a few, but on the other hand there are those that will NEVER speak to staff, and if they see another Prisoner talking to an Officer they will have words with that prisoner. Recruits sometimes make the mistake of thinking that they are there to befriend Prisoners, but when they have a pisspot thrown over them or are attacked because they try to intercept a drug parcel, and see that its the one who they thought was their "friend" doing the attacking, then their minds change fairly rapid. And I'm not saying that prisoners go around attacking staff every day but it is becoming more commonplace...And all for no other reason that they are Prison Officers.

Shield

480905 wrote: »

I don't understand the context of the question??

Perhaps I should clarify, although you kinda answered it already.

The context of my question was to try and understand if POs treated certain prisoners in a different way based on what they are in for, and how long.

For example, I don't see jailing someone for not having a TV licence as a proportional punishment, a good way of spending tax-payer's money, a good use of your time or as an efficient use of prison spaces.

To add further clarity, are you able to identify that (in the TV licence example above) certain short-term prisoners will not cause you trouble, attack you, and so on, and therefore be a bit more relaxed and civil around them than those who would slice you up in a heartbeat?

Granted, a prisoner is a prisoner, but do you ever look at certain ones with a degree of sympathy or think to yourself "this person shouldn't be here"? Of course, you have to do your job, but you're also allowed to have your own personal opinions and thoughts, and I wonder if you've ever felt an injustice has been done by jailing someone and adjusted your approach accordingly?

480905

To answer your question in a word.... No. If they are in custody then that's it.... Now I can make certain reservations to management and get them transferred if I felt there was a case for them to be moved alright but If I showed favour to one prisoner above another that would make them a target. They could run the risk of being accused of telling me stuff.

Shield

Got it. Thanks for that.

cordub

Have to say I slightly disagree with my number collegue above in so far as i do not treat the people in for fines or other menial charges any different I most certaintly think prison is not the place for them .What a waste of time and money is spent sending these people to prison it is.Why not get them to do community service that will benefit others rather than taking up valuable places in prisons,Jails are already stuffed to capacity . We also must think of different types of prisoners in different ways otherwise we wouldnt have them working in the kitchens or work shops near blades and sharp implements or we wouldnt have trustee prisoners , so in answer to the moderators question on reflection I think we do have different treatment for different prisoners but in saying that they certaintly dont get anything they are not entitled to !! as a wise man said to me once a prisoner is a prisoner never trust em always stand with your back to the wall !!

480905

Now I wholeheartedly agree Prison is no place for these people and missed fines etc, but if they get locked up... it's out of my hands.
TV license fee people hardly pose a threat I agree , and in most cases the Governors would see that they are committed, processed and turned around in the least possible time frame, thereby they spend as little time as possible locked up.
If you're straight with prisoners then you'll have no bother with them. Try to wind them up ,play with their minds etc then you're asking for trouble.

bitter_lemon

Rawhead wrote: »

I will add that there are too many females in certain jails at the moment and this is causing problems with staffing levels on nights, escort duties etc. Female PO's in a male prison cannot perform 100% of the duties required (they cannot work anywhere that males are undressed or searched) so this limits the duties they can be detailed. The rules state that no more than 10% of the officers in a male prison should be female and this is being grossly exceeded in places. Due to the nature of the prison service you cannot count male and female officers as equal in a male prison. The same applies with regards to male officers in a female prison.

why do you think this rule is not enforced? some groups have a lot of women, others have only men. surely they could be dispersed more evenly. if you're next up for the recall or whatever you get it regardless of gender. except maybe if 2 females were on a hospital escort with a male prisoner. then you would be skipped and the next male would get it.

cordub

bitter_lemon wrote: »

why do you think this rule is not enforced? some groups have a lot of women, others have only men. surely they could be dispersed more evenly. if you're next up for the recall or whatever you get it regardless of gender. except maybe if 2 females were on a hospital escort with a male prisoner. then you would be skipped and the next male would get it.

The transfer list applies no matter what your gender so some places have more females than others not. NO females are skipped for AH even if its for escort they are brought it irreguardless and re detailed somewhere else. I hope thats the way its working in your place as thats the way it should be .

cordub

TO ADD a little bit of humour to this thread have a look at this . Wish we had a boss like this :D:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cLHxIaUWO0

bitter_lemon

cordub wrote: »

The transfer list applies no matter what your gender so some places have more females than others not. NO females are skipped for AH even if its for escort they are brought it irreguardless and re detailed somewhere else. I hope thats the way its working in your place as thats the way it should be .

ah yeah i know that. i was talking about workthroughs when there is a spot for a hospital escort on nights and that is not always viable. so they are skipped. like if 2 females have the highest points, one will be skipped. so in that case they cannot be brought in and detailed somewhere else as all the posts on nights are covered. it only makes common sense re toilet breaks etc. i'm sure the same happens in female jails with male officers.

anyway in this case and working in reception is the only difficulties that occur with different gender prisoners v officers. it dosen't cause too much hassle. everything else is a given.

but i still don't understand why some groups are flooded with females and others are barren
i know next up next in but a little common sense wouldn't go astray.

lol what happened to the rookies?:(
beladd scared them all away!

cordub

bitter_lemon wrote: »

ah yeah i know that. i was talking about workthroughs when there is a spot for a hospital escort on nights and that is not always viable. so they are skipped. like if 2 females have the highest points, one will be skipped. so in that case they cannot be brought in and detailed somewhere else as all the posts on nights are covered. it only makes common sense re toilet breaks etc. i'm sure the same happens in female jails with male officers.

anyway in this case and working in reception is the only difficulties that occur with different gender prisoners v officers. it dosen't cause too much hassle. everything else is a given.

but i still don't understand why some groups are flooded with females and others are barren
i know next up next in but a little common sense wouldn't go astray.

lol what happened to the rookies?:(
beladd scared them all away!

they must have been warned away by the powers that be or else they are too busy STUDYING , I never realised turning a key was that complicated !! and whats to learn about writing a P19 no good learning that when theres no point writing one when the result is a kangeroo court :rolleyes::rolleyes:

bitter_lemon

cordub wrote: »

they must have been warned away by the powers that be or else they are too busy STUDYING , I never realised turning a key was that complicated !! and whats to learn about writing a P19 no good learning that when theres no point writing one when the result is a kangeroo court :rolleyes::rolleyes:

i don't bother doing them anymore. i wait and have patience and sting it where it hurts. i find this much better!

cordub

bitter_lemon wrote: »

i don't bother doing them anymore. i wait and have patience and sting it where it hurts. i find this much better!

im sounding very bitter here lol you must be rubbing off BL lol:D:D:D

senordingdong

Nah man, we have exams this week.

cordub

senordingdong wrote: »

Nah man, we have exams this week.

good luck with them ;) would love to catch up with you in a few years and see what you think of work than , will this thread still be going I wonder lol

salut

bitter_lemon wrote: »

ah yeah i know that. i was talking about workthroughs when there is a spot for a hospital escort on nights and that is not always viable. so they are skipped. like if 2 females have the highest points, one will be skipped. so in that case they cannot be brought in and detailed somewhere else as all the posts on nights are covered. it only makes common sense re toilet breaks etc. i'm sure the same happens in female jails with male officers.

anyway in this case and working in reception is the only difficulties that occur with different gender prisoners v officers. it dosen't cause too much hassle. everything else is a given.

but i still don't understand why some groups are flooded with females and others are barren
i know next up next in but a little common sense wouldn't go astray.

lol what happened to the rookies?:(
beladd scared them all away!

Most of the lads gone out for a few pints. Some like ding dong wit his nose in the books:rolleyes:. whats the story with rookies havin a bit of nookie. is it ok?