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Glasgow Celtic Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2008/09
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http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=57650278#post57650278Is Crosas still injured for you lot? Has he featured at all for ye? Disappointed the lad hasn't made an impact...
Injured a good while now.
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Naka's goal:
http://h1.ripway.com/kds/Naka.wmv
Donati my motm by far tonight. The difference between an in form Donati/Crosas and Hartley is a completely different playing style.
Trouble is, how often have we seen an in-form Donati?
You don't like Hartley, do you?
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Yeh I agree about Donati. I've been saying Crosas just needs to be a consistent version of Donati.Trouble is, how often have we seen an in-form Donati?
You don't like Hartley, do you?:D
Hartley - I watched the first half of the Motherwell game on Saturday and Motherwell had a lot of the ball. imo Hartley is the reason for this. He sits too deep and invites pressure. Way too slow on the ball. Don't like him because he's about Coca Cola Championship standard at best.
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Would you not agree that CC Championship is a similar level to the SPL?Yeh I agree about Donati. I've been saying Crosas just needs to be a consistent version of Donati.
Hartley - I watched the first half of the Motherwell game on Saturday and Motherwell had a lot of the ball. imo Hartley is the reason for this. He sits too deep and invites pressure. Way too slow on the ball. Don't like him because he's about Coca Cola Championship standard at best.
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CantGetNoSleep wrote: »Would you not agree that CC Championship is a similar level to the SPL?
I'd like to see what the current Reading or Birmingham teams would do in Scotland
In general, I'd say Celtic and Rangers would be just above Championship level - with their current players both would probably be lower table Premiership level. The bottom end of the SPL - Hamilton, St. Mirren etc. are nowhere near Championship level. There's quite a difference in quality from top to bottom in the SPL. Dundee Utd, Aberdeen, Motherwell, Hibs and sometimes Hearts (when they are not self-imploding ) are the only teams that have any semblance of quality outside of the top two. The rest are pretty poor, although the league table doesn't always do justice to those teams that at least try and play football (like Falkirk) compared with those who don't (Killie). 0 -
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bobbysands81 wrote: »There's not many teams in the Coca Cola Championship that would be capable of beating Man U, Juventus, Barcelona, Valencia, AC Milan, Liverpool etc... in big Euro nights like Celtic have in recent times.
We'd finish anywhere in the 6-14th range - probably around 8/9th. Within 5 years we;d be challenging the domination of top 4 and probably ousted at least one of them. Would win the EPL within ten years of joining it.
That's why I said "in general"... I don't think we'd finish anywhere near 6th in the EPL with our current squad. 14th at best I'd guess, probably somewhere in/nearer the relegation zone.
We raise our game for big Euro nights. This is something not totally unique to Celtic. Given the opportunity for big CL games at home, I'm sure there's a few teams in the Championship that could also get shock results at home.
Anyway, it's a moot point - we'll not be joining the EPL any time soon, so we just have to beat what's put in front of us, and do the best we can in Europe with our limited budget.0 -
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Fair points Lads....
I think Rangers/Celtic would definitely challenge for premiership in time. Just cant see it happening tho.
Whats the deal on Strachan? Why are some people so down on him? I think he has done an absolute fantastic job and he doesnt get the credit he deserves I feel. I can see his background would be a problem for some of the moronic elements of the Celtic support but surely there must be more too it than this?? His record at home and in Europe is ever bit as good as O'Neill, yet most of the Celtic fans who post on here are down on him? You have just won 9 games on the bounce , you have struggled with injuries to key players and yet Celtic just dont look like dropping points?! This is also on back of three league titles, the odd cup and twice making last 16 of CL and this year Celtic should be good for a run in UEFA cup at worst? Baffling I would have thought?
Your thoughts....
First of all, I think the number of Celtic fans who are anti-Strachan based purely on his background is so small it's not worth even mentioning. I've never met one, nor have I ever even read reference to such on Celtic forums. In fact the only mention I've ever heard of people being anti-Strachan because of his background is from non-Celtic fans.
Overall I think Strachan has done a pretty good job. It's hard to argue with 3 league titles and making it to the last 16 of the CL twice running.
But there are some things that he has done - or not done - that have baffled Celtic fans. Eirebhoy touched on one, and that's the failure to replace Naylor at left-back. We HAVE to believe that Celtic are a big enough club to get a better solution to left back than Naylor. He had a great first season, but was consistently poor in his 2nd season, and our vulnerability there was exposed time and time again by teams. Yet Strachan (and the board it has to be said) failed to address the position in a couple of transfer windows. Not good enough.
Team selection and substitutions is something else that Celtic fans will often be at odds over with Strachan. He seems to continue to play some players who appear to have lost form, and not give others a chance. Sometimes he'll seem to be doing this just to prove a point to the media and his critics, rather than doing what he should for the best of the team. Same with substitutions. Taking off a striker when we're a goal down at home to 10 man Motherwell last season - nuts. People thought we had lost the league that day, and a lot of resentment built up against Strachan for that.
At the same time, he seems to be able to get the team to pull out performances when they look dead and buried. Last season, after losing to Rangers at Ibrox and then to Motherwell at home, it looked all over for Celtic. Who'd have thought we'd win the 7 remaining games - 2 against Rangers, 2 away to Motherwell, and one each against Aberdeen, Hibs and Dundee Utd. Really says something for him and the team to clinch the title after the poor spell we had.
Some people would question his signings though. He's brought in some good players, but he's also brought in some disasters (see Gravesen). Some others weren't great but I feel could have been had they been given the same opportunities as others (see Jarosik). Lots of people resent him for not utilising Riordan when he had him, but I guess he knows a lot more about these players and their attitudes than we'll ever know, so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.
If I was to give an out of 10 score, I'd say I'd give him 7. If he didn't play so many mind games with the media and didn't constantly feel the need to prove his point all the time, even to the detriment of the team, that would be a 9. European footie - of some description - after Christmas, and 4IAR and that'll move up to a 10.
He's rotating the squad a lot now - mainly down to injuries of course - but he's doing a fine job of it, and the players are responding no doubt. Sometimes an injury crisis can be the best thing to happen if the fringe players grab the opportunity to cement a spot in the team. Sheridan and Donati have done themselves the world of good in the last few games.0 -
First of all, I think the number of Celtic fans who are anti-Strachan based purely on his background is so small it's not worth even mentioning. I've never met one, nor have I ever even read reference to such on Celtic forums. In fact the only mention I've ever heard of people being anti-Strachan because of his background is from non-Celtic fans.
Overall I think Strachan has done a pretty good job. It's hard to argue with 3 league titles and making it to the last 16 of the CL twice running.
But there are some things that he has done - or not done - that have baffled Celtic fans. Eirebhoy touched on one, and that's the failure to replace Naylor at left-back. We HAVE to believe that Celtic are a big enough club to get a better solution to left back than Naylor. He had a great first season, but was consistently poor in his 2nd season, and our vulnerability there was exposed time and time again by teams. Yet Strachan (and the board it has to be said) failed to address the position in a couple of transfer windows. Not good enough.
Team selection and substitutions is something else that Celtic fans will often be at odds over with Strachan. He seems to continue to play some players who appear to have lost form, and not give others a chance. Sometimes he'll seem to be doing this just to prove a point to the media and his critics, rather than doing what he should for the best of the team. Same with substitutions. Taking off a striker when we're a goal down at home to 10 man Motherwell last season - nuts. People thought we had lost the league that day, and a lot of resentment built up against Strachan for that.
At the same time, he seems to be able to get the team to pull out performances when they look dead and buried. Last season, after losing to Rangers at Ibrox and then to Motherwell at home, it looked all over for Celtic. Who'd have thought we'd win the 7 remaining games - 2 against Rangers, 2 away to Motherwell, and one each against Aberdeen, Hibs and Dundee Utd. Really says something for him and the team to clinch the title after the poor spell we had.
Some people would question his signings though. He's brought in some good players, but he's also brought in some disasters (see Gravesen). Some others weren't great but I feel could have been had they been given the same opportunities as others (see Jarosik). Lots of people resent him for not utilising Riordan when he had him, but I guess he knows a lot more about these players and their attitudes than we'll ever know, so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.
If I was to give an out of 10 score, I'd say I'd give him 7. If he didn't play so many mind games with the media and didn't constantly feel the need to prove his point all the time, even to the detriment of the team, that would be a 9. European footie - of some description - after Christmas, and 4IAR and that'll move up to a 10.
He's rotating the squad a lot now - mainly down to injuries of course - but he's doing a fine job of it, and the players are responding no doubt. Sometimes an injury crisis can be the best thing to happen if the fringe players grab the opportunity to cement a spot in the team. Sheridan and Donati have done themselves the world of good in the last few games.
i need not say more. i agree fully. hopefully sylvinho will come in january to fill in at left full, although he will be 35 in april which could mean we only get 18 months out of him. any transfer targets rumoured? i see news on the dundee utd keeper.0 -
First of all, I think the number of Celtic fans who are anti-Strachan based purely on his background is so small it's not worth even mentioning. I've never met one, nor have I ever even read reference to such on Celtic forums. In fact the only mention I've ever heard of people being anti-Strachan because of his background is from non-Celtic fans.
Overall I think Strachan has done a pretty good job. It's hard to argue with 3 league titles and making it to the last 16 of the CL twice running.
But there are some things that he has done - or not done - that have baffled Celtic fans. Eirebhoy touched on one, and that's the failure to replace Naylor at left-back. We HAVE to believe that Celtic are a big enough club to get a better solution to left back than Naylor. He had a great first season, but was consistently poor in his 2nd season, and our vulnerability there was exposed time and time again by teams. Yet Strachan (and the board it has to be said) failed to address the position in a couple of transfer windows. Not good enough.
Team selection and substitutions is something else that Celtic fans will often be at odds over with Strachan. He seems to continue to play some players who appear to have lost form, and not give others a chance. Sometimes he'll seem to be doing this just to prove a point to the media and his critics, rather than doing what he should for the best of the team. Same with substitutions. Taking off a striker when we're a goal down at home to 10 man Motherwell last season - nuts. People thought we had lost the league that day, and a lot of resentment built up against Strachan for that.
At the same time, he seems to be able to get the team to pull out performances when they look dead and buried. Last season, after losing to Rangers at Ibrox and then to Motherwell at home, it looked all over for Celtic. Who'd have thought we'd win the 7 remaining games - 2 against Rangers, 2 away to Motherwell, and one each against Aberdeen, Hibs and Dundee Utd. Really says something for him and the team to clinch the title after the poor spell we had.
Some people would question his signings though. He's brought in some good players, but he's also brought in some disasters (see Gravesen). Some others weren't great but I feel could have been had they been given the same opportunities as others (see Jarosik). Lots of people resent him for not utilising Riordan when he had him, but I guess he knows a lot more about these players and their attitudes than we'll ever know, so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.
If I was to give an out of 10 score, I'd say I'd give him 7. If he didn't play so many mind games with the media and didn't constantly feel the need to prove his point all the time, even to the detriment of the team, that would be a 9. European footie - of some description - after Christmas, and 4IAR and that'll move up to a 10.
He's rotating the squad a lot now - mainly down to injuries of course - but he's doing a fine job of it, and the players are responding no doubt. Sometimes an injury crisis can be the best thing to happen if the fringe players grab the opportunity to cement a spot in the team. Sheridan and Donati have done themselves the world of good in the last few games.
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First of all, I think the number of Celtic fans who are anti-Strachan based purely on his background is so small it's not worth even mentioning. I've never met one, nor have I ever even read reference to such on Celtic forums. In fact the only mention I've ever heard of people being anti-Strachan because of his background is from non-Celtic fans.
Overall I think Strachan has done a pretty good job. It's hard to argue with 3 league titles and making it to the last 16 of the CL twice running.
But there are some things that he has done - or not done - that have baffled Celtic fans. Eirebhoy touched on one, and that's the failure to replace Naylor at left-back. We HAVE to believe that Celtic are a big enough club to get a better solution to left back than Naylor. He had a great first season, but was consistently poor in his 2nd season, and our vulnerability there was exposed time and time again by teams. Yet Strachan (and the board it has to be said) failed to address the position in a couple of transfer windows. Not good enough.
Team selection and substitutions is something else that Celtic fans will often be at odds over with Strachan. He seems to continue to play some players who appear to have lost form, and not give others a chance. Sometimes he'll seem to be doing this just to prove a point to the media and his critics, rather than doing what he should for the best of the team. Same with substitutions. Taking off a striker when we're a goal down at home to 10 man Motherwell last season - nuts. People thought we had lost the league that day, and a lot of resentment built up against Strachan for that.
At the same time, he seems to be able to get the team to pull out performances when they look dead and buried. Last season, after losing to Rangers at Ibrox and then to Motherwell at home, it looked all over for Celtic. Who'd have thought we'd win the 7 remaining games - 2 against Rangers, 2 away to Motherwell, and one each against Aberdeen, Hibs and Dundee Utd. Really says something for him and the team to clinch the title after the poor spell we had.
Some people would question his signings though. He's brought in some good players, but he's also brought in some disasters (see Gravesen). Some others weren't great but I feel could have been had they been given the same opportunities as others (see Jarosik). Lots of people resent him for not utilising Riordan when he had him, but I guess he knows a lot more about these players and their attitudes than we'll ever know, so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.
If I was to give an out of 10 score, I'd say I'd give him 7. If he didn't play so many mind games with the media and didn't constantly feel the need to prove his point all the time, even to the detriment of the team, that would be a 9. European footie - of some description - after Christmas, and 4IAR and that'll move up to a 10.
He's rotating the squad a lot now - mainly down to injuries of course - but he's doing a fine job of it, and the players are responding no doubt. Sometimes an injury crisis can be the best thing to happen if the fringe players grab the opportunity to cement a spot in the team. Sheridan and Donati have done themselves the world of good in the last few games.
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Very surprised the ref gave that peno. Looked clearly outside the box on first viewing.
It's interesting. Celtic haven't been poor on the ball. They just haven't had anywhere near enough of it. Again I'll blame Hartley being on the team on that. 0 -
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