Glasgow Celtic Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2008/09

Brewster

poindexter wrote: »

important how or why?? what would have happened had they not won it to make it so important for you brewster. let's see how they build on it, or will david murray use the money to pay off debts and build his companies up again????

I think Rangers financial difficulties are well known, had they not won league and got into CL and secured the financial bounty they may have ceased to he a force in football anymore. Where would that leave scottish football? It gets criticised for being a two horse race, it may have lost all appeal as a one horse race... This would have implications for sponsorships, TV right etc etc. Rangers winning league buys them a bit of time. Celtic are in a much better position financially and can afford to do with CL football for a season...

Eirebear

poindexter wrote: »

so is winning the league going to stop that happening now, or is it just keeping the wolves from the door for another year or so???

Its certainly not cleared the debts but it goes a long way towards getting us back on our feet.
Hopefully giving Murray more time to find a suitable buyer.

PauloMN

Brewster wrote: »

In fairness to me, who would have thought Celtic would have failed to score a goal in their last two league games?

The fact that neither Samaras nor JVoH could score in a brothel might have been a clue.

I'm confident the striker issue will be addressed. Hopefully we'll see much better football next season with a new manager and some new players. That's if we see any football at all next season.

poindexter

Eirebear wrote: »

Its certainly not cleared the debts but it goes a long way towards getting us back on our feet.
Hopefully giving Murray more time to find a suitable buyer.

why would someone buy rangers though?? more to the point why would an astute businessman want to sell off a business that is potentially a money spinner.

Brewster

PauloMN wrote: »

The fact that neither Samaras nor JVoH could score in a brothel might have been a clue.

I'm confident the striker issue will be addressed. Hopefully we'll see much better football next season with a new manager and some new players. That's if we see any football at all next season.

Harsh to lay all the blame on two players Paul. Would you be happy to see both players leave the club? However, I was always critical of Samaras myself, I am glad the Celtic fans can see this now. I think you chased Kenny Miller out of Celtic, this was a big mistake. I have a feeling Rangers would not have won league without the influence of Kenny Miller. Celtic fans might be loath to agree with this but I think its true. You cant beat players who play for the jersey and give their all like he did. Players like Barry Robson fall into this category. Samaras could learn a thing or two from Kenny Miller. Vennegor's legs have gone, he has been a great servant for Celtic and I think he should be spared from criticism. The Greek is an excuse of a footballer. The guy has ability but just doesnt show it, the worst type of footballer to work with.

Eirebear

poindexter wrote: »

why would someone buy rangers though?? more to the point why would an astute businessman want to sell off a business that is potentially a money spinner.

Why would Fergus McCann want to buy Celtic when they where minutes from liquidation?

Murray has already stated that he wants to sell, but only to someone who has the interests of the club at heart. He has taken the club as far as he can and hopefully he can find someone who can refresh the club.

Rangers at this moment in time, much like Celtic are NOT a potential money spinner, the way things are in Scotland at the moment all both clubs can do is tread water.

Desmond is doing this buy not overspending the way Rangers did 10 years ago.

its an unfortunate fact of life in the SPL

poindexter

Eirebear wrote: »

Why would Fergus McCann want to buy Celtic when they where minutes from liquidation?

Murray has already stated that he wants to sell, but only to someone who has the interests of the club at heart. He has taken the club as far as he can and hopefully he can find someone who can refresh the club.

Rangers at this moment in time, much like Celtic are NOT a potential money spinner, the way things are in Scotland at the moment all both clubs can do is tread water.

Desmond is doing this buy not overspending the way Rangers did 10 years ago.

its an unfortunate fact of life in the SPL

for me the main difference between then and now is of course money, and the fans. during the time of Celts for change and the fans rebelling to get rid of the board, there were roughly 20,000 attending games at the old parkhead. there were no sufficient merchandising or commercial deals bringing in an income. the biscuit tin mentality was destroying us and things had to change. fergus mccann took that chance, he promised he'd build a 60,000 seater and that he would ensure rangers never won 10IAR. he had a dream and an idea and could see where it could be built on.
today murray has none of that 'dream' to include in the package of selling rangers. how much is the debt?? £30m? more??? you have the 50,000 seater stadium, it aint gonna get any bigger, where else is the revenue going to come from for a potential buyer to think that it will be a worthwhile acquisition?
compared to Celtic in 1994, rangers current position is different. revenue streams are either delivering at their maximum, and with a potential to fall, or sold-off for years to come. a new guy in the mccann mould won't sell more tickets or shirts than are being sold just now, and is unlikely to stick a more profitable name on the shirt than carling with the current deal ending next year.
there's been no real boycotts for change at ibrox, unless you the fan are quite happy or accepting of what is going on.

ecoli

Its official now Mowbray on his way to Parkhead. 2 mil compensation deal just agreed with West Brom now we can get back to focusing on new players

Broxi_Bear_Eire

ecoli wrote: »

Its official now Mowbray on his way to Parkhead. 2 mil compensation deal just agreed with West Brom now we can get back to focusing on new players

Ah Jesus Walter will be quaking in his boots now

ecoli

ecoli wrote: »

Its official now Mowbray on his way to Parkhead. 2 mil compensation deal just agreed with West Brom now we can get back to focusing on new players

John Barnes take 2 imo

ecoli

I think we have got a good manager in Mowbray look at what he got out of a very sub par West Brom team. Though they were punching well above there wight the still managed to get goals against good premier sides even when results didnt go there way imagine what he could do up in Scotland as one of the biggest sides

Broxi_Bear_Eire

ecoli wrote: »

I think we have got a good manager in Mowbray look at what he got out of a very sub par West Brom team. Though they were punching well above there wight the still managed to get goals against good premier sides even when results didnt go there way imagine what he could do up in Scotland as one of the biggest sides

Yeah his team scored goals but also leaked them same when he was at Hibs. His teams have a problem defending IMO
Still would love to know why Celtic have taken so long over this

ecoli

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Yeah his team scored goals but also leaked them same when he was at Hibs. His teams have a problem defending IMO
Still would love to know why Celtic have taken so long over this

They were trying to haggle with the compensation terms but West Brom wouldnt budge

Broxi_Bear_Eire

ecoli wrote: »

They were trying to haggle with the compensation terms but West Brom wouldnt budge

Sorry but if he was Celtics first choice there would not have bee much haggling also Celtic only made an official approach for him about a week ago for him I am almost sure could be wrong though so what was going on for the other two weeks

ecoli

Well personally i agree with you and i think that highlights the interest expressed in Martinez but i doubt the appeal of Scotland can compare to Premier League

poindexter

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Sorry but if he was Celtics first choice there would not have bee much haggling also Celtic only made an official approach for him about a week ago for him I am almost sure could be wrong though so what was going on for the other two weeks

don't think he was first choice though, am pretty sure for the other 2 weeks they would have been looking elsewhere. watty might no be shaking in his boots just yet, i just look forward to watchin some good entertaining football, and to have Peter Grant back home where he belongs, get some of that passion back in that seems to be lacking in recent years.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

poindexter wrote: »

don't think he was first choice though, am pretty sure for the other 2 weeks they would have been looking elsewhere. watty might no be shaking in his boots just yet, i just look forward to watchin some good entertaining football, and to have Peter Grant back home where he belongs, get some of that passion back in that seems to be lacking in recent years.

Well I must admit Grant being back will liven things up :P

Coillte_Bhoy

rarnes1 wrote: »

John Barnes take 2 imo

And John Barnes managerial experience compares to TM's ?? Care to elaboarate?

ecoli

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

And John Barnes managerial experience compares to TM's ?? Care to elaboarate?

That time over managing the jamaicans? isnt it obvious? he gonna be the fitness coach. Celtic may not be able to kick a ball but we will have eleven Usain Bolt type characters able to blitz by anyone:D

poindexter

paul robinson saying he would love to join mogga at CP. better than naylor which wouldn't be hard, but in my eyes the guy had a chance a yr ago and opted not to come. stay where you are and enjoy the championship.

ziggy

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poindexter

ziggy wrote: »

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think thats a given anyway. have at least one tough game, if we get through that then the next will be even harder, and this is only to get into CL

ziggy

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DenMan

Well it's officially confirmed. Tony Mowbray is the new manager of Celtic FC. Hope he does a great job. Will there be money made available to him for transfers?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/8086779.stm

Brewster

I doubt there will be much for transfers seeing as the amount of compo Celtic had to pay to get management team in place! Grant, Lennon and Mowbray... Fairly Celtic minded indeed....

premierstone

Brewster wrote: »

I doubt there will be much for transfers seeing as the amount of compo Celtic had to pay to get management team in place! Grant, Lennon and Mowbray... Fairly Celtic minded indeed....

umm they probably post on a Rangers forum and claim to be ''neutral'' as well :rolleyes:

Anyway ignoring your drivel and back to the question re. transfer funds, I wouldnt imagine that there will be a huge amount available but im sure teh board also recognise that the squad is in definite need of bolstering, might see Paul Robinson coming with Mowbary.

Brewster

premierstone wrote: »

umm they probably post on a Rangers forum and claim to be ''neutral'' as well :rolleyes:

Anyway ignoring your drivel and back to the question re. transfer funds, I wouldnt imagine that there will be a huge amount available but im sure teh board also recognise that the squad is in definite need of bolstering, might see Paul Robinson coming with Mowbary.

My drivel?? Is there anything I have said here than is factually incorrect? If there is, please point is out to me... There is only one person posting drivel and it aint me....

PauloMN

Brewster wrote: »

I doubt there will be much for transfers seeing as the amount of compo Celtic had to pay to get management team in place! Grant, Lennon and Mowbray... Fairly Celtic minded indeed....

Yes the "Celtic minded" thing is getting pretty tiresome at this stage. And as we keep having to point out to you, nobody on here has ever displayed a preference for a "Celtic minded" manager. Only your imaginary Celtic mate ever seems to come out with that stuff. :rolleyes:

Anyway, onwards and upwards. Happy enough with that appointment, probably as strong a candidate as Celtic could realistically afford and attract to be honest. Seems like a good manager - best of luck to him.

As for transfer money - I expect a bit of activity now that the manager is in place. There's some players moving on, and some like Balde have commanded big wages which could cover 2 or 3 players actually.

We have the following outs - some definite, some not definite:
- Balde
- Naka
- JVoH
- Hartley
- Naylor
- Donati
- Mark Brown

There's a few fringe players could be on that list also.

I also think we'll take serious offers for any/all of:
- Boruc
- McGeady

All that could result in quite a lot of movement. I think there'll be a reasonable amount of cash on top of any sales actually.

There's a few players I wonder about under a new manager - I'd like to see these guys get more of a chance:

- Sheridan
- O'Dea
- Killen (no sniggering at the back)
- McCourt

and maybe Mizuno and Misun will see some regular first team next season.

ziggy

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Dempsey

McCourt was projected to break through this coming season when he gets his back and fitness sorted. He's currently on a highly specialised training program trying to sort out what is a pub league fitness level, hopefully his back problems piss off and let the player get to where he needs to be

Gregory Dupont has him doing alot of these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyometrics

Blackjack

PauloMN wrote: »

- Killen (no sniggering at the back)

very injury prone, I doubt anyone will see much of him to be honest.

Antrim_Man

premierstone wrote: »

umm they probably post on a Rangers forum and claim to be ''neutral'' as well :rolleyes:

Anyway ignoring your drivel and back to the question re. transfer funds, I wouldnt imagine that there will be a huge amount available but im sure teh board also recognise that the squad is in definite need of bolstering, might see Paul Robinson coming with Mowbary.

I hope he does follow Mowbary and stays well clear of Mowbray

Brewster

ziggy wrote: »

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Lads, we aren't going to agree on this, in my opinion there will be thousands of Celtic fans around the world excited about the management team of Lennon, Mowbray and Grant coming together because of their Celtic background. Im certain of this. Boards.ie cannot be used as a barometer of Celtic fans' feelings on this subject! Lads you need to climb down off your high horses....

Antrim_Man

Mowbray will become a Celtic legend and next season the currant buns are in for a hiding make no mistakes about it.

Hail, hail BTM.

premierstone

Antrim_Man wrote: »

I hope he does follow Mowbary and stays well clear of Mowbray

lol, ignoring my typo are you really telling me that Lee Naylor is a better option than Paul Robinson??

Antrim_Man

premierstone wrote: »

lol, ignoring my typo are you really telling me that Lee Naylor is a better option than Paul Robinson??

Put it this way. WBA fans are praying we take him just like the Wolves fans danced on the street when we took Naylor. I'd rather take Xabi Castillo for the reputed £100k.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Antrim_Man wrote: »

Mowbray will become a Celtic legend and next season the currant buns are in for a hiding make no mistakes about it.

Hail, hail BTM.

LOL Can I have a pint of what you are on

therecklessone

Do I really need to remind certain users of the rules regarding abuse in the soccer forum?

Really?

Brewster

So, back to matters on the field, what do people think of the fixtures? Tough start for Celtic? Are people happy the New Years Derby returns??

ziggy

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ecoli

Dempsey wrote: »

McCourt was projected to break through this coming season when he gets his back and fitness sorted. He's currently on a highly specialised training program trying to sort out what is a pub league fitness level, hopefully his back problems piss off and let the player get to where he needs to be

Gregory Dupont has him doing alot of these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyometrics

Plyometrics work on explosive power ie speed etc. These do not improve fitness but rather are complementary to a fitness program

PauloMN

Brewster wrote: »

Boards.ie cannot be used as a barometer of Celtic fans' feelings on this subject!

As a matter of interest, why can't a Celtic discussion thread in a soccer forum be used as a barometer to Celtic fans' feelings on the subject? Would seem like a pretty good place to start in my view.

Brewster wrote: »

excited about the management team of Lennon, Mowbray and Grant coming together because of their Celtic background.

I see you've referred to a "Celtic background" now, rather than "Celtic minded". I like the fact that the lads have a Celtic background, it's great that they have all been players for the club in the past. That would be the same with fans at any club around the world I'd imagine.

The "Celtic minded" bit is a much deeper insinuation about people though, with negative religious and political connotations, and a presumption that the subject has a deep hatred of all things Rangers. Again it's a phrase I have yet to hear a Celtic fan use seriously - aside from your imaginary Celtic fan mate. It's used by the Scottish media and Rangers fans a lot though. Funny that....

A Dub in Glasgo

Brewster wrote: »

Boards.ie cannot be used as a barometer of Celtic fans' feelings on this subject!

But apparently your 'mate' is the barometer of Celtic fans' feelings on this subject though

Brewster

PauloMN wrote: »

As a matter of interest, why can't a Celtic discussion thread in a soccer forum be used as a barometer to Celtic fans' feelings on the subject? Would seem like a pretty good place to start in my view.



I see you've referred to a "Celtic background" now, rather than "Celtic minded". I like the fact that the lads have a Celtic background, it's great that they have all been players for the club in the past. That would be the same with fans at any club around the world I'd imagine.

The "Celtic minded" bit is a much deeper insinuation about people though, with negative religious and political connotations, and a presumption that the subject has a deep hatred of all things Rangers. Again it's a phrase I have yet to hear a Celtic fan use seriously - aside from your imaginary Celtic fan mate. It's used by the Scottish media and Rangers fans a lot though. Funny that....

Look my so called "imaginary" friend isnt making this up! Thats a belter, it gets better... Why do you guys keep protesting so much? Im prepared to leave it be, but you guys aren't happy to do this. The mod has already had to issue a warning. I have my views, they are legitimate views, you as individuals havent heard these views being expressed by Celtic fans, I accept this. However, that doesnt mean they arent expressed by Celtic fans. There are hundreds of thousands of Celtic fans around the club, yet 20 or 30 post here. Not exactly representative is it?? There are hundreds of people that would agree with me on this, have no doubt.

Brewster

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

But apparently your 'mate' is the barometer of Celtic fans' feelings on this subject though

Never said that... Ive definitely hit a raw nerve here lads....

A Dub in Glasgo

No nerve at all. I live in Glasgow, I work in Glasgow, I go out in Glasgow, I play 5 a side football in Glasgow and I have done that for nearly 16 years. I have yet to meet Celtic fans who actually talk about this Celtic 'Minded' thing you are convinced Celtic fans live and breathe. I have previously asked you to define this but you refused to take up the offer which suggests to me that you cannot define it and you have not got any idea what you are talking about.

Brewster

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

No nerve at all. I live in Glasgow, I work in Glasgow, I go out in Glasgow, I play 5 a side football in Glasgow and I have done that for nearly 16 years. I have yet to meet Celtic fans who actually talk about this Celtic 'Minded' thing you are convinced Celtic fans live and breathe. I have previously asked you to define this but you refused to take up the offer which suggests to me that you cannot define it and you have not got any idea what you are talking about.

Fair enough A Dub in Glasgow. Even though three or four posters have explained what it is on here?? Im well educated and I can just about read, I trust you can to. There is an element of the Celtic support that didnt like Strachan because he wasn't Celtic minded, likewise there is an element of the Celtic support that are overjoyed with the appointment of Mowbray and Grant for the same reasons. You dont agree with this, neither does Ziggy, neither does Paulo, neither does perhaps any other Celtic poster on the forum. However, that doesnt mean it doesnt exist! Now I am not saying anymore on this subject, Im sure other posters on the forum are fed up with this debate. Can we at least agree on this??

bmcgov86

alright lads, sorry for my absence as of late but im having the lols in california for the summer!!
delighted with the news on mowbray, really think he can do a good job for us. altho im worried a lot of fans believe we are suddenly going to play beautiful flowing football. this simply wont happen and things will take time. hopefully he can bring a decent player or 2 with him.
ha anyone hear the funny story about o'dea, was on tyhe phone to my mate the other day and he said darren was meant to fly out to scott browns stag party but realised his passport was out of date just before he left!! he'd want to get it sorted for europe next season, hopefully he'll need it more than once!!
right im off to the pool for a swim, heard its raining back our way.....

PauloMN

Brewster wrote: »

Fair enough A Dub in Glasgow. Even though three or four posters have explained what it is on here?? Im well educated and I can just about read, I trust you can to. There is an element of the Celtic support that didnt like Strachan because he wasn't Celtic minded, likewise there is an element of the Celtic support that are overjoyed with the appointment of Mowbray and Grant for the same reasons. You dont agree with this, neither does Ziggy, neither does Paulo, neither does perhaps any other Celtic poster on the forum. However, that doesnt mean it doesnt exist! Now I am not saying anymore on this subject, Im sure other posters on the forum are fed up with this debate. Can we at least agree on this??

But you are the one that keeps dropping little posts in about certain management teams being "not very Celtic minded" or "Celtic minded". That's YOU doing that. Every rumoured candidate for the role had you posting you opinion as to whether they were "Celtic minded" or not.

You seem determined to talk about this group of people who have this "Celtic minded" ethos as much as you can for some reason, on a Celtic thread, to the annoyance of a number of regular posters time and time again. I just can't believe how long you've got away with it as if any of us went on the Liverpool thread, or the Man Utd thread, or any other thread of a team we don't support and continually posted stuff just to wind people up, we'd be told to f**k off and rightly so.

poindexter

brewster seems just like some kind of plant who is just here to be a pain on the tits and annoy people. just found ignore button here and it's good to put it to some good use.

personally, am looking forward to seeing who Mogga's first signing will be, will it be a signing of intent?? would also love to see Paul Caddis back in the team, get him out on the right wing, a great option not only for bombing forward which he will do all day for fun, but also good cover for Hinkel