Name Your Price

CHD

:rolleyes:

eZe^

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Yes, and the point of this thread is the price of players. Players prices in general are determined by how much they contribute to winning games, correct? Goals win games, which is why strikers generally cost more than defenders for example, correct?

Biggest crock of sh*t ever... If I remember correctly, the most expensive transfers in the HISTORY of football were for Zidane and Figo? Are either of them strikers? Did either of them EVER in their career contribute around fifty goals in one season? Zidane scored 95 goals in his entire domestic league career, that spanned nearly 20 years. I guess that makes him ****?


Fabregas got around 24 assists in the league last season, that warrants him being placed up with the Ronaldos of the world. The fact of the matter is, goals and assists are important of course, BUT, they are not everything. Fabregas is a game changer, and shows up in the most important ties, why should he be considered in the 2nd tier of players because he doesn't contribute 50 goals a season. Lets see if Ronaldo has a season even close to being as good as the last again.

CHD

At last someone who speaks sense.

Good post

Pepe LeFrits

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

That is because Drogba is a proven player at the highest level. He had a quiet year last year due to the African cup of nations and injury. Adebayor has only recently come into the fray and really has had only one really good season under his belt. He has only scored one (possibly two?) CL goal for Arsenal so far also.

Go figure eh? :rolleyes:

Adebayor has only recently come into the fray because he's a young player. Typically that happens. Last season Adebayor was more prolific (goals:games) than Drogba has ever been in his entire career. Just for accuracy, he's scored 3 CL goals for Arsenal.

You don't think an injury plagued season should impact on a 30 year old's value? Assuming he has 5 years left at the top at best (which is rather generous), Drogba would cost £5m a year based on your valuation, while Adebayor, using the same yardstick, would cost £1.45m a year. Hmm!

eZe^

Lads, I like Drogba, he's got all the attributes you could ever need in a centre forward. But, I still feel people hype him up because of one good season. When you say he is a proven striker in the premiership, he has only really had one outstanding season in his career correct? I'm not trying to bring him down, because personally I would love him at my club, but I always felt people think of him as a consistently magical CF. And, hasn't Adebayor this season scored more goals than Drogba in his wonder season?

cournioni

eZe^ wrote: »

Biggest crock of sh*t ever... If I remember correctly, the most expensive transfers in the HISTORY of football were for Zidane and Figo? Are either of them strikers? Did either of them EVER in their career contribute around fifty goals in one season? Zidane scored 95 goals in his entire domestic league careers, that spanned nearly 20 years. I guess that makes him ****?


Fabregas got around 24 assists in the league last season, that warrants him being placed up with the Ronaldos of the world. The fact of the matter is, goals and assists are important of course, BUT, they are not everything. Fabregas is a game changer, and shows up in the most important ties, why should he be considered in the 2nd tier of players because he doesn't contribute 50 goals a season. Lets see if Ronaldo has a season even close to being as good as the last again.

Wrong, Fabregas had 19 assists in the League. If you're going to throw stats out, at least get them right. Ronaldo had 7 assists along with 31 goals in the league. That isn't even including his contribution in the Champions League, which was 8 goals by the way!

People had already said "lets see if Ronaldo is as good as last season" this time last year and look at what he produced in a double winning season for United. The stats are there.

Pepe LeFrits

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Wrong, Fabregas had 19 assists in the League. If you're going to throw stats out, at least get them right. Ronaldo had 7 assists along with 31 goals in the league. That isn't even including his contribution in the Champions League, which was 8 goals by the way!

People had already said "lets see if Ronaldo is as good as last season" this time last year and look at what he produced in a double winning season for United. The stats are there.

Way to sidestep his entire argument.

If goals and assists were all that mattered in football, Juventus wouldn't have paid €52m for a goalkeeper.

Football is about so much more than that and players like Fabregas, Xavi (who you've given a pretty low value to also) are far more influential in the other areas of it.

eZe^

Ok, my mistake on the stats. But my point still stands, Fabregas deserves to be considered up on the highest level of world football, with the likes of Messi, Ronaldo and Kaka. Fabregas is a central midfielder, it would actually be ludicrous to expect anything near 40 goals from the lad. It would even be ludicrous to expect that from Ronaldo again. Listen, I am NOT saying Fabregas is better than Ronaldo, I'm just saying that the gap between them is not as large as you seem to be making it. My examples of Figo and Zidane still stand, and one must consider the type of winger Ronaldo is, he isn't your traditional beat your man on the flank and cross it in. He is like a second striker that drifts in from the wings, which seems to be the way modern wingers are developing.

cournioni

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Way to sidestep his entire argument.

If goals and assists were all that mattered in football, Juventus wouldn't have paid €52m for a goalkeeper.

Football is about so much more than that and players like Fabregas, Xavi (who you've given a pretty low value to also) are far more influential in the other areas of it.

OK, when a £70 million bid comes in for Fabregas give me a bell. As of yet that hasn't happened.

CHD

You realise how stupid that comment is dont you

NinjaTruncs

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

OK, when a £70 million bid comes in for Fabregas give me a bell. As of yet that hasn't happened.

Has a 70 million bid come in for Ronaldo?

cournioni

CHD wrote: »

You realise how stupid that comment is dont you

This thread is about the price of players. Real Madrid are willing to pay £70 million for Ronaldo, are they or anybody else willing to bid the same as that for Fabregas?

Tell me how that is a stupid question to ask or how it isn't relevant.

Pepe LeFrits

So does a player have to have reportedly been the subject of a £70m bid before they can be worth more than £20m?

Because that seems to be what you're saying.

CHD

Your saying Ronaldo is in a different class to Fabregas because Madrid will pay more for him than anyone else would pay for Fabregas now.

What question did you ask? To be given a bell when a £70M bid comes in for Fabregas?

Give it up.

cournioni

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

So does a player have to have reportedly been the subject of a £70m bid before they can be worth more than £20m?

Because that seems to be what you're saying.

Not really, strictly speaking. £20 million is just my opinion on Fabregas's valuation. As is my £46 million valuation of Ronaldo just my opinion. I still believe that Ronaldo is worth that amount regardless of Madrid's offer.

I think that Fabregas was to be sold for real, Arsenal would get anything up to £35million for him. I personally don't think he is worth that amount, and nor do I think that Ronaldo is worth £70 million. But thats the world we live in.

cournioni

CHD wrote: »

Your saying Ronaldo is in a different class to Fabregas because Madrid will pay more for him than anyone else would pay for Fabregas now.

What question did you ask? To be given a bell when a £70M bid comes in for Fabregas?

Give it up.

You're great at putting words in my mouth I'll give you that. Where exactly did I say Ronaldo is in a different class "because Real Madrid are paying £70 million" for him?

TWO PAGES back, I said that Ronaldo was irreplacable and that Fabregas wasn't. That is how he was in a different class to Fabregas in my opinion. If you want to read through that, work away. Stop bringing up something that we agreed to disagree on.

MisterAnarchy

PHB wrote: »

When you consider the fact that for the entire season Rooney was playing out of position doing a job for the team, the fact that last year he got injuried seriously 3 times, and the fact that he was for a time playing poorly, you can begin to understand how good Rooney really is.

What exactly is his best position so ?
As a striker ? In the hole ?
He has played as the main striker for England for the last 4 years and his record is quite poor.
He isnt a top class striker,his finishing and touch arent clinical enough.
He has a good temperament,alot of energy,is strong and suited for the English league.
He wouldnt be a success in Spain for example.
He is a good player but like most English players he is overated.

CHD

Ok i will just leave it but you are saying some silly things

mormank

Bubs101 wrote: »

I think Rooney deserves far more credit then people are giving him. He's an excellent foil at Man Utd for Ronaldo, he's selfless, a real team player,Tenacious ,still young and he'd make virtually any team's first XI. As for the fool who said he'd be a terrible choice in fantasy football, so what? Makalele and Deschamps would always be terrible choices but they add so much to teams that ridiculous systems like fantasy football can't calculate and as strange as it sounds, I think Rooney is the closest thing to a "water carrier" up front which is invaluable

i thought as a mod you would know better than to call ppl fools etc!!! for shame

also, i cant believe that in the same thread on the one hand ronaldo is being mooted as being in a class of his own cos he scores so many goals and gets so many assists and on the other hand rooney is world class even tho he doesnt and if you dont understand why is so class you dont understand football. im sorry but these arguments totally contradict eachother. surprised nobody picked up on the irony here..

Boggles

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

What exactly is his best position so ?
As a striker ? In the hole ?
He has played as the main striker for England for the last 4 years and his record is quite poor.
He isnt a top class striker,his finishing and touch arent clinical enough.
He has a good temperament,alot of energy,is strong and suited for the English league.
He wouldnt be a success in Spain for example.
He is a good player but like most English players he is overated.

Of course he is over rated he burst on to the scene with a 30 yard screamer against the Arse when he was 16 if I remember correctly.

United seldom lost with him in the team last season thou, he may be over rated, he may not be clinical enough, but he is vital cog to what could become the best squad of players in 20 years.

At 22 he has nearly clocked up 200 league appearances, he has alot of football left and I'm sure he will be over rated by some for the next 10 years aswell, a decade I have no doubt will be littered with trophies and accolades.

He may not be a 2 to 1 ratio striker, but I would have him in my team ahead of any other striker in the league, every time.



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PHB

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

What exactly is his best position so ?
As a striker ? In the hole ?
He has played as the main striker for England for the last 4 years and his record is quite poor.
He isnt a top class striker,his finishing and touch arent clinical enough.
He has a good temperament,alot of energy,is strong and suited for the English league.
He wouldnt be a success in Spain for example.
He is a good player but like most English players he is overated.

His best position is in the hole, everyone knows that.

He was an essential player in the team that just won the double. He was without a doubt the 3rd best player in the team (after Ronaldo and Ferdinand). He scored this season 16 goals and got 14 assists. This was all while he was having a poor season by his standards.

To judge him on his finishing is just silly. He isn't a natural finisher. That is not the be all and end all of a withdrawn striker.
To say his touch isn't good is a completely clueless statement. Completely clueless. His touch is exquisite. Want one example? Watch the highlights of United vs. Liverpool last year. Rooney ran behind the defence, took down a long ball from the keeper with one touch, then shot with the next.

He is the heartbeat of the best team in Europe. If he does not play, we lose/draw. He is what everything goes through.