Can I seek to overturn my ban?

Gary ITR

I don't see why you felt the need to come in here and abuse too Des, probably should be banned from here too, in fact you seem to give out quite a bit of abuse over the entire site but that's for another day

No personal details should have been posted, fair enough. But if you're willing to post pics in KYN etc and your name is in the Boards team forum then I don't see the *HUGE* issue

LEIN

Unearthly wrote: »

embarrassing overreaction tbh

Could not agree more.

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RoundyMooney wrote: »

It's not the first time either.

Onkle wrote: »

in fact you seem to give out quite a bit of abuse over the entire site but that's for another day

If this is goign to turn into a character assassination, I'd like to know what the pair of you are on about, please.

Some examples?

challengemaster

Examples? Sure.

Des wrote: »

You bastard.

Des wrote: »

You halfwit.

Des wrote: »

You idiot.

Des wrote: »

you idiot.

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challengemaster wrote: »

Examples? Sure.

Well, they are all in this thread.

Feedback strikes again though, I imagine this threads will be locked before either of these two can respond, thus making their claims seem true and me look like some kind of tyrant.



How is this allowable?

6th

Des wrote: »

You bastard.

Des wrote: »

You halfwit.

Des wrote: »

You idiot.

Des wrote: »

I STILL don't know who this numpty is.

Des wrote: »

That took some digging on this muppets behalf if that's where he got it.

Des wrote: »

you idiot.

Lets work through this together Des.

Unearthly wrote: »

embarrassing overreaction tbh

QFT.

Gary ITR

Don't get me wrong Des, you're also a good contributor and have obviously given a lot of your own time to running the boards team which is a credit to yourself as a person.

The thread that sprang to my mind was one in AH a few weeks back about speeding. You attacked a guy that admitted to speeding from time to time when he was younger and then carried on a tirade against him till you were eventually banned. There is no call for that kind of behaviour on here, no matter how peed off you might get

6th

Des wrote: »

Well, they are all in this thread.

Feedback strikes again though, I imagine this threads will be locked before either of these two can respond, thus making their claims seem true and me look like some kind of tyrant.



How is this allowable?

Des can you really say its other people making you look bad in this thread? Seriously, you're not an idiot.

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6th wrote: »

Lets work through this together Des.

Again, all on this thread 6th.

Are you getting involved too? Maybe you have some examples.

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6th wrote: »

Des can you really say its other people making you look bad in this thread? Seriously, you're not an idiot.

I'm not defending the posts in this thread, or the one earlier for that matter.

But to have accusations of "all over the site" levelled at me?

wtf like?

challengemaster

Des wrote: »

Well, they are all in this thread.

Yeah, thats about 6+ examples of personal abuse in one thread alone.

You're really not helping yourself on this one.

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challengemaster wrote: »

Yeah, thats about 6+ examples of personal abuse in one thread alone.

You're really not helping yourself on this one.

Hardly "all over the site" though.

wtf was that about?

6th

Onkle nailed it with the speeding thread. Add that one and this one and its not a pretty picture. Thing is its probably just stress or something as you used to be one of the more laid back folk on here and one of the better contributors.

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6th wrote: »

Onkle nailed it with the speeding thread. Add that one and this one and its not a pretty picture. Thing is its probably just stress or something as you used to be one of the more laid back folk on here and one of the better contributors.

Two threads, three when you include today's in Soccer.

In what, four years?

Nice.

Nice rep I've got.

Jesus.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Is there something paranormal that I have missed here 6th?

Des is pished off, bobby is pished off and everynoddy has jumped up and down. Feedback would be so much easier without other people.

Is amazing how actions in three or four threads and a brush with danger with dimitri can tarnish a rep des

Wouldn't be a feedback thread if 6th didn't get his oar in.

challengemaster

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Is there something paranormal that I have missed here 6th?

Des is pished off, bobby is pished off and everynoddy has jumped up and down. Feedback would be so much easier without other people.

Is amazing how actions in three or four threads and a brush with danger with dimitri can tarnish a rep des

Feedback - other people = Helpdesk

6th

Des wrote: »

Two threads, three when you include today's in Soccer.

In what, four years?

Nice.

Nice rep I've got.

Jesus.

No one is saying you are an asshole ... just that you've been acting like one lately.

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Is there something paranormal that I have missed here 6th?

I think Des might be possessed. Seriously.

RoundyMooney

6th wrote: »

Des can you really say its other people making you look bad in this thread? Seriously, you're not an idiot.

Bottom line.

It's not so much the frequency as the ferocity of the abuse tbh.

It would be a shame to concede a valid point over not keeping ones temper in check.

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6th wrote: »

No one is saying you are an asshole ... just that you've been acting like you lately.

Er.....thanks?

6th

>_> ninja edit >_>

Gary ITR

I wasn't having a go Des, just making a point. TBH the abuse you gave KBannon in the AH thread I mentioned earlier really turned my stomach and you went down a few points in my book and then reading this thread just reminded me of it.

Maybe you need to bite your tongue (well fingers)

I know mods are only mods in their own section but carrying a mod tag in other forums means you should be leading by example and what you did wasn't personal abuse, it was a tirade of abuse

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Onkle wrote: »

I wasn't having a go Des, just making a point. TBH the abuse you gave KBannon in the AH thread I mentioned earlier really turned my stomach and you went down a few points in my book and then reading this thread just reminded me of it.

And I did my time for it.

Onkle wrote: »

Maybe you need to bite your tongue (well fingers)

Right so.

Onkle wrote: »

I know mods are only mods in their own section but carrying a mod tag in other forums means you should be leading by example

These two things don't go together though.

Why should I let my modding of one forum affect my use of another.

I don't mod AH, I'd ban someone for that abuse in my forums, I expected a ban from AH, and I got it.

Mods aren' mods in the forums we don't mod, and we DO get banned from them from time to time.

I said the same thing you said in the Mod forum some time ago, by the way, but it was shot down.

Dub13

Des wrote: »

The bans are disproportianate, imo.

But it wasn't you who issued them.

I'd like the issuing mod to explain.

I don't make a habit of comparing ban lengths on a public forum but if it will make Des relax and see the light I will explain my taught process.

BobbySands81 posted Des surname,Des reports the post and as I have said I looked at the report and was taken action when BobbySands81 claimed he was Des mate.So I got in contact with Des to get the full grasp of what was going on as I like to have all the facts before I make a decision.The reply you sent to me Des was not very helpfull all I was trying to do was establish the facts,you were no help whatsoever.

This hits the nail on the head.Des I think you need to setp back and review this from others point of view.

GuanYin wrote: »

Des, your two week ban is based on the several abusive posts you made after the fact. You know well enough that provocation is no excuse to react how you did and your ban is just as lenient.

Aside from all this, I always assumed that Des's name was common knowledge on boards.ie and Des was comfortable with this.

I don't know what final decisions you think need to be made here. OP banned for posting someone's personal details in the forum (we've banned for this before), everyone else was banned for abuse, trolling or ignoring mod warnings.

dr.bollocko

Hang the hell on my feedback brethren!

Now let's look at the issues here.
And look at the people involved.

Des has been a great bloke to have around the site for a lot longer than I have been reading boards I am sure.
So calling him out on a brief perceived change of character is just unfair.
I wouldn't want someone posting personal information about me on the webs, regardless of how much information I have chosen to give said interweb.
I would think that the kind of person who would go and post private info would be a total asshole. I know the full names of a fair few boardsies now, I've been around the block a few times on here, and I know myself that I wouldnt go and post their full name on a site like boards.
I must admit, I too saw Des posting on here before seeing what the issue was and thought he had gone a bit mental until I got the whole story.
People doing numptyish moronic things on the interweb such as posting personal information about contributors when they don't even directly know them or how the site works or admit who they are should be punishable by a good long and unrelentant slagging, and as the person sinned against, Des has the right to do this moreso than anyone else.
In fact, if I saw a thread on AH right now from some poster saying "What the hell should I do to some moron who posted my private information on boards.ie" I would advocate some retribution rather than question why the person is pissed off.
FFS.

GuanYin

Hey people.

Perspective please.

Des felt threathened. Whether anyone else empathizes or not, the fact is, the post was ambiguous, to the point where I couldn't tell either way.

We've dealt with all the users involved in the soccer thread.

In this thread, there was some continuation of the antagonizm that would be best suited to a real-world resolution, it provoked hostility, which while not an excuse, does not merit an all out character assassination (not matter how many caveats you want to dress it up with - it reminds me of when people start a sentance with "No offence, but....".

Everyone has their flash point. You've seen two of Des's. Count yourself lucky nobody has been aiming for yours.

muffler

Nothing personal Des but you have over reacted in this thread without any provocation. Your behaviour in the soccer forum can not be condoned either although it would be understandable. I wouldn't take too kindly to anyone posting my name in a public forum without my consent.

Take a deep breath.

And why cant bobbysands81 just PM you and tell you how he knows you - if indeed he does at all.

Gary ITR

Des wrote: »

I said the same thing you said in the Mod forum some time ago, by the way, but it was shot down.

Ridiculous... At the end of the day a mod should be leading by example wether in his/her own forum or not. But that's for another thread and this one has gone far enough off topic and don't want this conversation to turn into a witch hunt against you des.

My advice to you though is if you have to abuse somebody just keep it to one post and don't keep going like a feckin rabid dog

Onkle

Onkle wrote: »

The thread that sprang to my mind was one in AH a few weeks back about speeding. You attacked a guy that admitted to speeding from time to time when he was younger and then carried on a tirade against him till you were eventually banned. There is no call for that kind of behaviour on here, no matter how peed off you might get

Actually I have to correct you here in the interests of getting this 100% true. He attacked a guy who admitted to DRINK DRIVING a lot in his youth in a thread about speeding. Said guy happened to be a mod of motors and there was a big thread about it in Feedback too as a lot of people seemed to want that poster removed from that modship due to this admission.

As it is I dont think the guy should have posted his 2nd name. I do think it was fine that Des reacted to it as if it was meant in a hostile way seeing as here we are hours later and the poster STILL hasnt said how he knows Des which leads me to believe that he doesnt.

The_Minister

One more outburst and the next one will be a supository.

Des, I have to agree with the others, something is bothering you. You have been jumpy the past while.

The OPs ban is pretty much not being overturned, I suggest that you just leave it, and if he is a real-life friend, then you can hear his apology in person, and go for a drink afterwards. If he is just a random net loon who got your name from the Boards Team forum, then he will slip up again and we'll ban him.:)

In the meantime I suggest that you go back and delete/edit posts with your sirname in them, if it bothers you that much that people know.


EDIT: Damn, you all calming down before I posted! Never mind, move along, nothing to see....

dr.bollocko

muffler wrote: »

without any provocation.

Really?
Really you think that?

Gary ITR

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually I have to correct you here in the interests of getting this 100% true. He attacked a guy who admitted to DRINK DRIVING a lot in his youth in a thread about speeding. Said guy happened to be a mod of motors and there was a big thread about it in Feedback too as a lot of people seemed to want that poster removed from that modship due to this admission.

Doesn't matter wether he admitted to raping labrador puppies on a thread, you still can't post a tirade of abuse the way Des did.

bobbysands81

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Really?
Really you think that?

There was absolutely no provocation meant, the post was deleted soon after putting it up. I was of the opinion that Des knew who I was, I was wrong and deleted the "offending" bit of the thread and apologised twice immediately. Hardly the actions of soebody wishing to provoke.

I then offered to sort it out with him and tell him how I knew him, in order to put his mind at rest, but he said no (on two separate occassions) and kept on slating me.

In the meantime I've taken a lot of abuse from Des and I've had one of his pals sift through my previous posts and post (on this thread) about it... something that Des was disgusted about as he thought I did the same thing to him. I still have not reacted, again hardly the modus operandi of someone wishing to provoke.

The "offending" post was also made on a point we were agreeing with each other on so why would I be trying to provoke when we were in agreement?

Onkle

Onkle wrote: »

Doesn't matter wether he admitted to raping labrador puppies on a thread, you still can't post a tirade of abuse the way Des did.

i didnt comment on whether or not his rant was appropriate, I was just correcting you because your representation of Des' rant made it look a lot less reasonable than it was.

I dont think too many people would have accepted that rant if it were against a guy who admitted to occasionally speeding.

I do however think a lot more people understand when its about drink driving. read the thread, he wasnt the only one.


That is all.

Charlie

Des, from my experiences, has always been a great contributator. In other people's opinions, he may have overreacted to the situation, but they weren't the ones that the post was aimed at, and therefore cannot view something subjectively( whether Des felt threatened) in an objective manner.

I have noticed with feedback how it brings out the worst in some posters, they see it as an opportunity to take a pop at a user, and throw around generalizations of behaviour and posts, taking them out of all context. With Boards, I find that things are rarely black and white, and there is alot to be read between the lines, that one can only do when viewing the thread in full, and with an appreciation of the context involved. However, for some, they seem happy to throw this out the window so they can chirp in with their tuppence worth, and have a go at someone they may dislike for reasons totally unconnected to the feedback thread.

charlie mchugh

charlie mchugh wrote: »

Des, from my experiences, has always been a great contributator. In other people's opinions, he may have overreacted to the situation, but they weren't the ones that the post was aimed at, and therefore cannot view something subjectively( whether Des felt threatened) in an objective manner.

I have noticed with feedback how it brings out the worst in some posters, they see it as an opportunity to take a pop at a user, and throw around generalizations of behaviour and posts, taking them out of all context. With Boards, I find that things are rarely black and white, and there is alot to be read between the lines, that one can only do when viewing the thread in full, and with an appreciation of the context involved. However, for some, they seem happy to throw this out the window so they can chirp in with their tuppence worth, and have a go at someone they may dislike for reasons totally unconnected to the feedback thread.

+ 1.

Hence why i felt it appropriate to correct Onkle because his description of what happened ion that thread in AH made Des look worse than what it would have appeared had he told the truth.

muffler

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Really?
Really you think that?

Perhaps you would be kind enough to point out where the provocation was in this thread.

GuanYin

muffler wrote: »

Perhaps you would be kind enough to point out where the provocation was in this thread.

It started in another thread and was deleted.

As I said, we all have flashpoints.

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Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

a brush with danger with dimitri can tarnish a rep des

I missed this earlier.

homerjay2005

regardless of what certain people think about des on here, he is one of the top and most respected posters on the soccer forum and in general, is a massive contributor to the success of this website. he was subjected to a character assasination this evening, he was dragged into a debate that he did not contribute to until enough was enough and in my opinion, is entitled to defend himself. the other poster, does not and will not have the same stature that des has on this forum. while i am a firm believer that everybody is entitled to be equal, there was clear intimidation here and des has been hung out to dry.

i am shocked to be honest, that this thread was allowed to continue as far as it got and i ask a question, where were the mods and why was this thread not stopped in its tracks earlier?! Why does common sense not prevail here and des get a warning, but mods understand that reputations on the SOCCER forum should prevail.

and im shocked that the op here has only got 1 week, i think, based on the nastyness that is in the thread and nature of the offence, that a perm ban would be more applicable. alot of people have been banned, for alot less.

challengemaster

dr.bollocko wrote: »

So calling him out on a brief perceived change of character is just unfair.

No it's not, its perfectally fair. IMO it doesn't matter if you're 2 minutes on the site or 20 years, if you resort to personal abuse (especially the amount of it Des did) you deserve to be banned for it.

If you mean his "rep" - well, sure he's probably a great contributer, but if he has outbursts now and again...

dr.bollocko

bobbysands81 wrote: »

There was absolutely no provocation meant, the post was deleted soon after putting it up. I was of the opinion that Des knew who I was, I was wrong and deleted the "offending" bit of the thread and apologised twice immediately. Hardly the actions of soebody wishing to provoke.

I then offered to sort it out with him and tell him how I knew him, in order to put his mind at rest, but he said no (on two separate occassions) and kept on slating me.

In the meantime I've taken a lot of abuse from Des and I've had one of his pals sift through my previous posts and post (on this thread) about it... something that Des was disgusted about as he thought I did the same thing to him. I still have not reacted, again hardly the modus operandi of someone wishing to provoke.

The "offending" post was also made on a point we were agreeing with each other on so why would I be trying to provoke when we were in agreement?

I understand that you have been slighted quite sorely in this thread and the other thread by the defendant.
I also fully understand that that can sting quite a bit and now you feel slighted yourself.

But you, my good man, started the feedback thread yourself complaining about a 1 week ban, therefore inviting further insults and directly inciting the person in question.
A 1 week ban and you started the thread.

1 week.

You posted the 2nd name of a particular person for no reason whatsoever on a very public forum.
You do not know this person merely know OF him.

And then you started this thread to further protest?
That is behaviour deserving of the insults IMO.

bobbysands81

GuanYin wrote: »

It started in another thread and was deleted.

As I said, we all have flashpoints.

There was no provocation.

...and it was me that deleted the so called "offending, threatening etc..." remark that was on the Board. As I said I presumed he knew who I was, he SAYS he doesn't. I offered to clear it up with him and he said no twice, does that not tell you something???

dr.bollocko

muffler wrote: »

Perhaps you would be kind enough to point out where the provocation was in this thread.

The provocation in this thread is that the thread exists in the first place.

Sherifu

Take your own good advice Des. (as amusing as it is to watch you fly off the handle lately)

bobbysands81

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I understand that you have been slighted quite sorely in this thread and the other thread by the defendant.
I also fully understand that that can sting quite a bit and now you feel slighted yourself.

But you, my good man, started the feedback thread yourself complaining about a 1 week ban, therefore inviting further insults and directly inciting the person in question.
A 1 week ban and you started the thread.

1 week.

You posted the 2nd name of a particular person for no reason whatsoever on a very public forum.
You do not know this person merely know OF him.

And then you started this thread to further protest?
That is behaviour deserving of the insults IMO.

I have done nothing wrong, that's why I started this thread.

I feel I don't deserve a ban. I have not abused anyone and Des has been quite happy to fling insults and accusations my way without me retorting in any way. Does that really sound like someone who's trying to "intimidate?"

I posted the second name of a person on a restricted Board. Apparently his name is already on the Board and can be dragged up (much in the same way that Archimedes has dragged up info that I have posted in the past, nobody seems to have noticed the cynical post by him though) by anyone. I took it down and apologised twice within minutes, then Des over reacted and got me banned.

I know him, he knows I know him. I offered to tell him how I knew him on a number of occassions he turned it down. I was not being threatening in any way.

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OK, You mean no mailce.

I suppose I'll have to take your word for that.

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I know him, he knows I know him.

No, I still don't.

Are you EVER going to tell me.

Which post of Archimedes are you on about btw?

GuanYin

bobbysands81, giving out ANY personal information about a poster without prior consent is just poor internet etiquette. IMO (which in this case matters), I think you were trying to be smart and whether fun or provokative, poke at Des. Eitherway, the action itself is a no-no. A 1 week ban covers it. As an aside, I think it is clear that as far as boards.ie is concerned, Des does not which to engage with you. I would stop trying.

Des and others who have abused you have gotten more severe bans. What they did was wrong, and they have been duely banned.

As far as I can see, noone has come away from this untarnished, least of all some of the posters in this thread.

Dub13

On a side not but relevant to this thread.Bobbysands81 insinuated that we treated Des different because he is a Mod on Boards,I can assure you the Soccer mods show no favoritism when dealing with a issue.

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Dub13 wrote: »

On a side not but relevant to this thread.Bobbysands81 insinuated that we treated Des different because he is a Mod on Boards,I can assure you the Soccer mods show no favoritism when dealing with a issue.

Damn right they don't.

God be with the days of the mod clique.

:pac: