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The M50 Barrier Free Tolling Thread

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    This info is sensitive and we are hardly going to tell a 4 post wonder.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,807 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Does a 1,000+ post wonder get to know via PM? ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 33 dricco


    Ah go on, I'm getting screwed by eflow. If I go to court, i'l have to travel to Dublin and take time off work. Goin to try and scare them with a leter fst though


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,807 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Bond-007 wrote: »
    This info is sensitive and we are hardly going to tell a 4 post wonder.

    Wow thanks for that PM Bond. I can't believe that didn't cross their mind when they were implementing it in the first place. The system would fall to its knees if everyone was to do that. There's just no way they can rectify that now at this stage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46 simples


    ohh can I find out too??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭x in the city


    <x in the city's post merged with main thread - Chris>



    I just saw a post about the motorway and I realised I used the m50 last week..

    :eek:

    I forgot all about the toll, how the hell do I pay this? will I get charged a crazy fee for not paying?

    I am in galway now, I never use the m50, this was a once off.

    any help?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    It'll double to €6. Ring up tomorrow and explain and pay the €6.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Victor McDade


    Call them on 1890-501050 and they'll sort you out over the phone, you can pay with CC or laser.

    http://eflow.ie/index.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭bladebrew


    I just saw a post about the motorway and I realised I used the m50 last week..

    :eek:

    I forgot all about the toll, how the hell do I pay this? will I get charged a crazy fee for not paying?

    I am in galway now, I never use the m50, this was a once off.

    any help?

    they send a letter to you,its €3 for the toll +€3 fine if its within 2 weeks (i think) i cant find it on their website now
    they have to scan the barcode on the top of the letter so you can pay it though,


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭x in the city


    for infrequent users, the e flow is an ass of a system

    Id say a lot of people havent a clue about it...

    [like myself]

    id say they have made quite a few 6e's so far..:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭x in the city


    bladebrew wrote: »
    they send a letter to you,its €3 for the toll +€3 fine if its within 2 weeks (i think) i cant find it on their website now
    they have to scan the barcode on the top of the letter so you can pay it though,

    how on earth can they scan the letter...!

    i dont think phones are that advanced. :p

    like I said, an ass of a system.

    besides I am away from my home address, so got no idea on letters. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Victor McDade


    You won't need the letter, just call them, give them the car reg and they'll have all the info they need. It's an appalling system but in fairness, the customer service people are decent (in my experience)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭bladebrew


    how on earth can they scan the letter...!

    i dont think phones are that advanced. :p

    like I said, an ass of a system.

    besides I am away from my home address, so got no idea on letters. :confused:

    my dad went to a shop to pay my toll (he said he would pay it then forgot so it went to €6) they told him they would send a letter out to me and they had to scan it so i could pay it,i brought the letter to a shop and they scanned a barcode in the top right corner and id paid my €6,
    im not sure can you do this over the phone,

    he tried to pay the €6 in a different shop and they said i had to wait for the letter,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭x in the city


    tbh I was half expecting a fine of 30e a day......

    its a sham of a system for people residing out of leinster who might not have even heard of the m50

    im not a farmer or anything, but haven't been using the m50 for years. lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭x in the city


    bladebrew wrote: »
    my dad went to a shop to pay my toll (he said he would pay it then forgot so it went to €6) they told him they would send a letter out to me and they had to scan it so i could pay it,i brought the letter to a shop and they scanned a barcode in the top right corner and id paid my €6,
    im not sure can you do this over the phone,

    do they expect everyone to be at home waiting for letters to arrive or something, what a joke of a system.

    can you not go into a shop and give in your friggin rego and pay


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    its a sham of a system for people residing out of leinster who might not have even heard of the m50

    im not a farmer or anything, but haven't been using the m50 for years. lol

    In fairness, if you miss the signs you shouldn't be driving as you'd have to be legally blind not to see them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭bladebrew


    do they expect everyone to be at home waiting for letters to arrive or something, what a joke of a system.

    can you not go into a shop and give in your friggin rego and pay

    not according to spar in skerries! my dad went in to pay the €6(€3 toll+€3 fine) and they told they cant until i get the letter!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Victor McDade


    can you not go into a shop and give in your friggin rego and pay

    You can pay at any Payzone shop around the country http://www.payzone.ie/outlets/ up until 8pm the day after you use the M50, but since you used it last week it's obviously too late now. Just give them a ring, if you leave it too long they'll expect a payment of €43 or something like that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Victor McDade


    bladebrew wrote: »
    not according to spar in skerries! my dad went in to pay the €6(€3 toll+€3 fine) and they told they cant until i get the letter!!

    This is because the eflow system registers the toll as one payment due and the fine as another separate payment due. I guess the machine in the shops isn't capable of handling the fine part (without their barcoded letter). Rubbish system, I know, but would you expect anything better? :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Dankoozy


    is it hard to avoid the M50 altogether and not pay any toll? what is the best alternative route?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭x in the city


    if you want to add a few hours onto your trip driving onto all manner of jackheen roads its ok to avoid it i guess


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Dankoozy


    if you want to add a few hours onto your trip driving onto all manner of jackheen roads its ok to avoid it i guess

    a few hours? surely it isn't that bad, only the toll section i want to avoid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭x in the city


    try it and let me know then....

    :p

    unless you are a taxi driver or have advanced knowledge of the greater Dublin region, you are pretty f*****ed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Dankoozy


    try it and let me know then....

    :p

    unless you are a taxi driver or have advanced knowledge of the greater Dublin region, you are pretty f*****ed.

    i'll try it someday when i go to norn iron


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭Kotek Besar


    Dankoozy wrote: »
    is it hard to avoid the M50 altogether and not pay any toll? what is the best alternative route?

    Easy. Driving from Waterford to Belfast, I avoid both the M50 toll and the M1 toll, by using the N3/N2 and going through Slane.

    According to the sat nav, this route takes 4 hours 30 mins.

    If I were to use the toll roads, sat nav says it would take 4 hours 15 mins.

    I'm happy to lose 15 mins, not give a penny to either toll road, enjoy the scenery of Slane and surrounding areas, all while saving at least a fiver.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,264 ✭✭✭Elessar


    These a**holes keep charging me for trips I never make.

    I'm trying to view the statement on their website but it just downloads as an ASPX file? I cant see to get the PDF? Anyone else notice this?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,652 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    With regard to the train of thought that the full letter of the by-law was not being fulfilled, as I mentioned I contacted Mr. Faughnan of the AA (who was on hols for a while).
    The response back is:
    Dear Mr Bannon –

    Thanks for your email. It’s an interesting technical point on the legalities but I suspect that the existing display of the net toll price payable by the user may be sufficient.

    I’ll look into it, thanks again...

    Conor Faughnan
    Director of Policy
    AA Ireland
    I wonder will he actually look into it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Dankoozy


    Elessar wrote: »
    These a**holes keep charging me for trips I never make.

    I'm trying to view the statement on their website but it just downloads as an ASPX file? I cant see to get the PDF? Anyone else notice this?

    if its trying to make you download a .aspx file they have ****ed up with setting up their web server.

    try renaming it to .pdf or having a look inside the file with a text editor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭browner85


    try it and let me know then....

    :p

    unless you are a taxi driver or have advanced knowledge of the greater Dublin region, you are pretty f*****ed.

    you just have to cut through the phoenix park takes 15mins extra


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Dankoozy


    browner85 wrote: »
    you just have to cut through the phoenix park takes 15mins extra

    yea and get fined by an overzealous warden for doing 51km/h


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭newmills


    Hi lads,

    I have a small nissan kubistar van (same as renault kangoo). I might be starting a job where i will have to pass through the m50 toll twice a day. What is my cheapest option of doing this?
    Thanks.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,652 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    newmills wrote: »
    I have a small nissan kubistar van (same as renault kangoo). I might be starting a job where i will have to pass through the m50 toll twice a day. What is my cheapest option of doing this?
    Thanks.
    By not passing through the M50 or by getting a motorbike!
    You could by-pass the M50 toll but we would really need to know whereabout you are going from and to!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    kbannon wrote: »
    By not passing through the M50 or by getting a motorbike!
    You could by-pass the M50 toll but we would really need to know whereabout you are going from and to!
    Pfft :P
    newmills wrote: »
    Hi lads,

    I have a small nissan kubistar van (same as renault kangoo). I might be starting a job where i will have to pass through the m50 toll twice a day. What is my cheapest option of doing this?
    Thanks.
    EASY-Remove the front number plate :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 basherzz


    Sizzler wrote: »
    A guy about 10-12 pages previous in the thread reckoned once this has been tested in the courts it wont stand up. He gave the impression he knew what we was talking about, perhaps he was a solicitor or law student :)

    There is one serious flaw about the M50 and trying to levy fines on it though from a drivers perspective, I am loathe to post it though in case they go and rectify it, why should I do their job for them :P

    I'm going to be cheeky & ask can you pm me too. I've been fighting Pierse & Fitzgibbon since May and I have until tomorrow to pay up finally or go to court. I wasn't even driving the bloomin car - it was on loan and I was told the toll was paid. Didn't actually find out for sure that the toll wasn't paid till June (car was driven in March).

    Thanks for your help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    basherzz wrote: »
    I'm going to be cheeky & ask can you pm me too. I've been fighting Pierse & Fitzgibbon since May and I have until tomorrow to pay up finally or go to court. I wasn't even driving the bloomin car - it was on loan and I was told the toll was paid. Didn't actually find out for sure that the toll wasn't paid till June (car was driven in March).

    Thanks for your help.
    Sorry but my observations wont help with your case I am afraid. Best bet would be to contest the case on the legaility of the toll, other than that, dont sign for the summons when its delivered! Or write to the NRA / National Consumer Agency / Consumers Assoc of Ireland or even ring Joe Duffy :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭newmills


    kbannon wrote: »
    By not passing through the M50 or by getting a motorbike!
    You could by-pass the M50 toll but we would really need to know whereabout you are going from and to!

    Going from rathfarnham/terenure to the airport. Could go through town but sometimes the speed (never thought i'd say that about the m50) of the m50 would be great for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 basherzz


    Sizzler wrote: »
    Sorry but my observations wont help with your case I am afraid. Best bet would be to contest the case on the legaility of the toll, other than that, dont sign for the summons when its delivered! Or write to the NRA / National Consumer Agency / Consumers Assoc of Ireland or even ring Joe Duffy :eek:

    Thanks anyways. I've tried the NRA, my local TD's tried the NRA & the Solicitors. Even the local Senator in Listowel tried Pierse & Fitzgibbon on my behalf. So let that be a lesson - they'll get your money somehow. Doesn't matter who you know or don't know. May as well just pay the money & be done with it.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    I've received letters relating to two different occassions my pick-up allegedly went through the tollbridge. On neither date has the car been anywhere near the M50. I just rang them once on both occassions telling them they have the wrong car linked to my reg and further ignorine them until they provide full photographic evidence of my pick-up going through. The ANPR technology they use is not flawless, far from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭Scottie99


    benifa wrote: »
    Easy. Driving from Waterford to Belfast, I avoid both the M50 toll and the M1 toll, by using the N3/N2 and going through Slane.

    According to the sat nav, this route takes 4 hours 30 mins.

    If I were to use the toll roads, sat nav says it would take 4 hours 15 mins.

    I'm happy to lose 15 mins, not give a penny to either toll road, enjoy the scenery of Slane and surrounding areas, all while saving at least a fiver.

    If you use the N2 or N3 you'll have to go through the tolls coming from Waterford. You'd take the N4 and cut through Lucan and head to Clonee (N3) if want to avoid them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭Kotek Besar


    Scottie99 wrote: »
    If you use the N2 or N3 you'll have to go through the tolls coming from Waterford. You'd take the N4 and cut through Lucan and head to Clonee (N3) if want to avoid them.

    Ah, that might have been it. Unfortunately when I'm using the sat nav I find myself engaging in a little Stockholm syndrome, iyswim. Yes, I think you're right. N4 does ring a bell, now you've mentioned it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    basherzz wrote: »
    Thanks anyways. I've tried the NRA, my local TD's tried the NRA & the Solicitors. Even the local Senator in Listowel tried Pierse & Fitzgibbon on my behalf. So let that be a lesson - they'll get your money somehow. Doesn't matter who you know or don't know. May as well just pay the money & be done with it.:(
    Ah jesus no, has to be a better way than getting bullied into it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Moliform


    I have to pay a 152.00 payment for a 3 euro penalty which I actually tried to pay but the system wouldn't allow me to. I contacted them by email because I didn't want to give over any more money by phoning them. The fine is from April, they got back to me in June with another automated letter (no email reply) stating there is no record of payment and thus the fine owing is now 41.50. I contacted them again saying I tried to pay (and did pay the original 3euro toll of which I have a record on my AIB statements), I also said I still wanted to pay the fine but as I was in contact with them within the original 14 day period surely I should only owe the original fine. No contact as of yet but now I have a letter from the solicitors. I contacted the solicitors and they say I should of rang eflow as its eflow policy to only sort these things out by phone and so the fine stands-now 152.00. I told them in their penalty notice it mentions the original fee is still owing but that I have a record on my aib of paying this. They say eflow used this payment to pay a subsequent passage in May and so I still owe everything!

    How can they use a previous payment to pay a subsequent bill and not inform me of this? I contacted eflow to get a breakdown of passages and corresponding payments-they said they do not have this information-is this true? Has anyone been to court or should I just suck it up and pay the fine? I just feel by paying its allowing them to continue with this dodgy way of doing things but by going to court I'm potentially giving those solicitors down in Kerry more income from their plum number with eflow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭pa990


    Moliform wrote: »
    ....... I contacted eflow to get a breakdown of passages.........

    Plenty of passages working for e-flow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    I can't help wondering what would be the effect of putting before a judge even only the many posts that have been created in this thread.:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    I gotta email back from e-flow two weeks back. They're sending me a refund
    of the €3 they tried to 'take' from me some months ago.

    As yet no refund has arrived. Has anyone else been promised a refund
    and never recieved it?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 goosey gander


    Hi really in a dilemma here
    Used the toll bridge twice and paid at four o clock next day,thought all fine exept twelve days later got a fine for both passages!!! i was away on hols at time(only to galway to stay with friends mind you!!!!) My mam opened the letter but she had no way of knowing where the reciept was so i rang customer care and explained i couldn get the reciept within the 14 days to which i was told without the reciept the fine will go up to 41.50... and to make matters worse i now cant find the reciept!!!! what the hell am i going to do???? i cant afford to pay 80 euro im a single mum and a student im barely coping financially as it is!!!! Any help would be greatly appriciated!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    Hi really in a dilemma here
    Used the toll bridge twice and paid at four o clock next day,thought all fine exept twelve days later got a fine for both passages!!! i was away on hols at time(only to galway to stay with friends mind you!!!!) My mam opened the letter but she had no way of knowing where the reciept was so i rang customer care and explained i couldn get the reciept within the 14 days to which i was told without the reciept the fine will go up to 41.50... and to make matters worse i now cant find the reciept!!!! what the hell am i going to do???? i cant afford to pay 80 euro im a single mum and a student im barely coping financially as it is!!!! Any help would be greatly appriciated!!!
    Tell them where you bought it and when. Not your fault if they lost the payment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 goosey gander


    Theyre claiming that without the reciept they cant trace the payment!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 basherzz


    Hi really in a dilemma here
    Used the toll bridge twice and paid at four o clock next day,thought all fine exept twelve days later got a fine for both passages!!! i was away on hols at time(only to galway to stay with friends mind you!!!!) My mam opened the letter but she had no way of knowing where the reciept was so i rang customer care and explained i couldn get the reciept within the 14 days to which i was told without the reciept the fine will go up to 41.50... and to make matters worse i now cant find the reciept!!!! what the hell am i going to do???? i cant afford to pay 80 euro im a single mum and a student im barely coping financially as it is!!!! Any help would be greatly appriciated!!!

    If you paid, you paid. I don't know the procedure but if you have to key in your reg no when paying, then they should surely be able to trace the payment that way. Reading through other posts, sometimes they won't apply that payment to the particular trip but that's just wrong. Your best bet if eflow are acting stupid is to email info@nra.ie. I got great help from a girl there (she wasn't able to help me in the long run - that's a whole nother story) but the impression I got was that they do what they can for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 basherzz


    Moliform wrote: »
    I have to pay a 152.00 payment for a 3 euro penalty which I actually tried to pay but the system wouldn't allow me to. I contacted them by email because I didn't want to give over any more money by phoning them. The fine is from April, they got back to me in June with another automated letter (no email reply) stating there is no record of payment and thus the fine owing is now 41.50. I contacted them again saying I tried to pay (and did pay the original 3euro toll of which I have a record on my AIB statements), I also said I still wanted to pay the fine but as I was in contact with them within the original 14 day period surely I should only owe the original fine. No contact as of yet but now I have a letter from the solicitors. I contacted the solicitors and they say I should of rang eflow as its eflow policy to only sort these things out by phone and so the fine stands-now 152.00. I told them in their penalty notice it mentions the original fee is still owing but that I have a record on my aib of paying this. They say eflow used this payment to pay a subsequent passage in May and so I still owe everything!

    How can they use a previous payment to pay a subsequent bill and not inform me of this? I contacted eflow to get a breakdown of passages and corresponding payments-they said they do not have this information-is this true? Has anyone been to court or should I just suck it up and pay the fine? I just feel by paying its allowing them to continue with this dodgy way of doing things but by going to court I'm potentially giving those solicitors down in Kerry more income from their plum number with eflow.

    You have paid and you have the proof. Get straight onto the NRA info@nra.ie. Once it goes to those apes in Listowel, eflow just won't deal with you. I've just lost a 4 month battle with the gangster solicitors. The NRA own eflow so start on at them as fast as you can.


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