The Fishal Olympics Boxing Thread

sligobhoy67

right lets try and keep it all in here eh.

Who's up first for us - is it Ken - what time is the for us?

sligobhoy67

For anyone with a Sky box, BBC will have all the Olympic boxing coverage live on interactive starting on Saturday at 6:30am.

Link for schedule:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sol/shared/bsp/hi/olympics2008/epg/html/epg.stm

fatgav

the beeb have also had boxing docs today. one on cuban boxing by bunce-y now. interesting stuff. hope for more tomorrow.

Dodge

Sutherland may be first up. Depends on draw

Middleweight bouts scheduled for between 6.30am and 8.00am (Irish Time) and betweeen 12.00pm and 1.30pm (IT)

Light Heavy bouts scheduled for between 8.00am and 9.30am (Irish Time) and betweeen 1.30pm and 3pm (IT)

walshb

please post links to threads...

http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/Schedule/BX.shtml

This doesn't say what time zone the bouts are taking place. Is it local China
time or is it standard GMT?

Must be local time as it doesn't say otherwise!

MBC

Excellent idea. According to RTE the draw takes place at 11am Local Time...........is that our time or Beijing time???

Btw Beijing are +8 hours ahead of us.


:eek::eek::eek: Jaysus just read on rte website aswell that Frankie Gavin......englands lightweight will miss the olympics because he can't make the weight.........thats a terrible disappointment:(

walshb

Beijing are currently 7 hrs ahead of Irish time.
The link I gave is China time. I am almost certain

DubCul

Great that we have 5 boxers in Beijing.

Could some experts:cool: please give opinions on their prospects.

MBC

walshb wrote: »

Beijing are currently 7 hrs ahead of Irish time.
The link I gave is China time. I am almost certain

Correct my bad :rolleyes:

Dodge

As Soon as the draw is made I'll have the Irish schedule up here (with Irish times...)

Big Ears

DubCul wrote: »

Great that we have 5 boxers in Beijing.

Could some experts:cool: please give opinions on their prospects.

Barnes and Joyce have no chance of medalling, Nevin, Sutherland and Egan have a small chance of getting a bronze. Although it's more likely none of them will than any of them will.

I reckon we'll get two quarter-finalists, two second rounds and one out in the first(most likely Joyce). The best realistic chance is a Bronze, two losing quarter finalists and 2 in the second round.

Here's the format: There are 11 weight divisions in the Olympics. Two of those have 16 boxers competing in the weight class(Heavyweight and Super-Heavyweight), while the other 9 have 28.

There were also two wildcard entries for the Olympics, one has ended up at Light-Flyweight, and the other at Welterweight so these divisions have 29 boxers in them.

Now obviously enough Heavyweight and Super-Heavyweight have perfect numbers so they just work away from a straight draw with everyone starting at the round of 16 stage.

Flyweight, Bantamweight, Featherweight, Lightweight, Light-Welterweight, Middleweight and Light-Heavyweight have 28 so what happens is 24 boxers fight in the first round and 4 receive a bye into the next round.
That leaves us with 16 boxers from then on and everythings a straight draw from there.

The same happens at Light-Flyweight and Welterweight except it's 26 boxers fight in the first round and only 3 get a bye into the second.

Simple enough really.

If you want to know when the Irish guys are fighting a guy on the Athletics forum has very nicely put up a schedule for all Irish competitors in Beijing http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055335918


Sutherland and Egan could be the first out, but then again one or both could get a bye so it's not certain.

joker77

Nice one for all the info, can't wait for this to start now

Big Ears

Here is Kerry Kayes'(Ricky Hatton's nutritionist) who had been working with Gavin take on this.

Another excellant article from the Guardian(and Donald Mcrae) btw

joker77

Big Ears wrote: »

Here is Kerry Kayes'(Ricky Hatton's nutritionist) who had been working with Gavin take on this.

Another excellant article from the Guardian(and Donald Mcrae) btw

Missing the link Big Ears - here is is

Big Ears

joker77 wrote: »

Missing the link Big Ears - here is is

lol , cheers for that. I got a bit ahead of myself

Dodge

Gary Russell Jr (massive medal favourite) doesn't make weight at bantam

First news of draw
Can't find better yet. Barnes receives bye. Sutherland faces Algerian Will post more when i find it

MBC

48kg Paddy Barnes v Jose Luis Menza - Equador......in last 16

54kg JJ Nevin v Abdelhalim Ourradi - Algeria.......in Last 32 if he wins he will face Mongolia or Mexico

64kg JJ Joyce v Gyula Kate - Hungry........in last 32 if he wins he will face Dom Republic or Armenia


75kg Darren Sutherland v Nabil Kassell - Algeria.........in last 16


81kg Ken Egan v Julius Jackson - Virgin Ireland......in last 32, he will face Turkey or Kenya should he advance


Not bad draws there for most, id imagine JJ Joyce has the toughest.

Dodge

EDIT:
http://www.aiba.org/en-US/events/2008Olympics.aspx

Draw sheets above

The Irish Path to medals
Light Fly
Barnes will fight Meza of Ecuador in last 16. If he wins his last 8 fiight will be against Namibia/Poland/sierra Leone. Hopefully he'll then fight gold medal favourite Shiming Zou in the semis

Bantam
Nevin will fight Ourradi of Algeria. Then the winner of Mongolia/Mexico in the last 16. Hopefully setting up a quarter final with the winner of Australia/Botswana/Colombia/Morocco. Pretty tough draw

Light Welter
Joyce wil fight Kate of Hungary in first round. Then the winner of Domincan Republic/Armenia. Hopefully setting up a QF with the winner of Iran/Tunisia/Romania/Puerto Rico

Middle
Sutherland received bye in first round. In last 16 he'll fight Nabil Kessel. Then hopefully he'll fight the winner of Domincan Republic and Venzuala for a medal. Blanco of Venezuala beat Sutherland in the last 16 of the 2007 worlds. Tough draw

Light Heavy
Egan will fight Julius Jackson of the Virgin Isles (He beat him at the 2007 worlds). Hopefully fighting the winner of Turkey/Kenya in last 16. IN the last 8 he'll fight the winner of haiti/Brazil/Ghana/Nigeria

MBC

Looks like Nevin and Egan have a great chance.

sligobhoy67

MBC wrote: »

Looks like Nevin and Egan have a great chance.

I'd say Nevin and Joyce have it hardest

dbrady01

that is one of the worst draws jj joyce could have got. Kate has beaten him handy enough in the past ( twice this year i think ) But you never know maybe this time is his time.

Dodge

Egan has a real chance.

He's beaten Julius jackson before (RSC). The turkish fighter got in when Ismayl Silakh of Ukraine was kicked out. Aziz Ali made it through at the final African qualifier. All 4 possible oppenents in the QF made it through at the last continental qualifier (bar the Brazilian who made it through in the first contintental) None have medalled at major events before (although the haitian won the 2008 Golden Gloves). The Ghanain is new to the weight having stepped up from Middleweight

Dodge

Apart from Egan...
Barnes's draw is tougher than I thought. Meza is another relative newcomer. He easily won the 1st Americas qualifier though. If he gets through that I'd expect him to fight the Namibian commonwealth champion (2005) Jafet Uutoni. If not he could face the Swaziland fighter who beat Barnes at the 2006 commonwealth games (although no dount that Barnes has come on since the)

Joyce was beaten 32-17 by Kate in the 2007 Worlds. He's an expereinced fighter having won bronze at 2003 worlds and 2004 & 2006 europeans. If he gets through that he wouldn't fear any of the boxers in his path.

Nevin's draw is very tough. Oradi won the 1st African qualifer. IF he gets through that he'll probably fight the World Silver medallist Badar-Uugan from Mongolia. IF he gets through that, he'd be favourite to medal (unlikely though) in the QF.

Sutherland should beat Kessel (who finished 3rd in the first African qualifier). After that he's likely to face Blanco. Blanco beat Sutherland 20-13 in the last 16 of the 2007 Worlds and went on to win Silver. He also beat James Degale of England, who Sutherland has had a few figths with. Blanco would be a strong favourite

Dodge

Apologies for replying to myself but

Confirmed Irish Fighters times

Saturday 9th
8.30am (Irish time) KEn Egan v Julius Jackson (Virgin Isles)

Sunday 10th
7.30am John Joe Joyce v gyula Kate (Hungary)

Tuesday 12th
2.15pm John Joe Nevin v Abdelhalim Ourradi (Algeria)

alanceltic

thanks a lot for the updats lads,,,,,, super stuff and good luck to the lads, ill be cheering on from the armchair

Big Ears

To be honest that's as good as we could expect really. Great draw for Egan, the draws for Sutherland and Nevin aren't that bad either. Yes both of them will have to get through guys that have won Silver at the World Championships, but you can't expect to medal without beating quality opposition and the rest of the guys they have on their path to a medal aren't that difficult.

Joyce got a terrible draw for him Gyula Kate has beaten him very widely twice in the last year, it would take a very impressive turnaround for him to come out of that one the winner.

Barnes draw is nearly as good as you could expect aswell, whether he'll be good enough to progress with it we'll see but he's been given every chance to medal if he's good enough.


I think we have to be pretty satisfied with that draw.

MBC

Well compared to what the british has been drawn against we should be delighted.

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Sport/News/Other-sports/2008/08/08/Boxing-Olympic-draw/?facets/sport-space/great-britain-locale/boxing/

Dodge

I'm going to make a bold prediction of Silver for Egan (beating Tony Jeffries of England in the semis). Who knows what will happen on the other side of the draw with the former Soviet States knocking hell out of each other.

Sutherland has a fighting chance of bronze (and should get to fight for it). I seem to remember that he was slight favourite (among independent commentators) going into the Blanco fight so, although an underdog, its not the hardest draw. I'll predict Bronze

Barnes, again, has a chance at Bronze. He'll be fighting 2nd tier guys (like himself) and if he performs as well as he did in Chicago, he'll medal. I'll predict a QF loss to Uutoni

I think Nevin will win the first round but lose out to the Mongolian in the last 16

I think Joyce will lose in his opening bout.

Interestingly, Sutherland and barnes don't open their account until next Saturday. Hopefully at that stage Egan, Joyce and Nevin have 2 under their belt and looking forward to a third

Dodge

I've backed Darren Sutherland to medal at 9/1 with Paddy

He should beat the Algerian, which will then mean he's one fight away from a medal. Granted that fight should against Blanco, the world silver medallist (who beat Sutherland in the last 16) but Sutherland would be no more than 2/1 in that fight.

Outstanding value IMO

Dodge

Egan wins 22-2. Quite comfortable. He fell in the 2nd round. The only round he conceded any points.

nacho libre

Good performance by Egan. Hopefully the good start will give encouragement to the other lads

sligobhoy67

sweet boxing from Egan - definitely a trip - Egans ankle was caught on the instep of Jacksons foot.

Looks like he could get through to the finals - that 88/1 that I found doesnt look so bad now!

the Nigeria v Ghana fight was entertaining - I thought the Nigerian was cruising until he got tagged.

Missed the first four fights - anyone see Estada or DeGale?

Dodge

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Missed the first four fights - anyone see Estada or DeGale?

DeGale looked decent. He was 3-2 down after first round but stepped up and won well

Estrada fight was awkward. Really scrappy affair. He won easily but didn't impress

DubCul

Egans next opponent didn't look great

FrankGrimes

Good man Egan, fair play and hope it gives the rest of the lads a bit of momentum to perform to the best of their abilities - that's all we can ask for and here's hoping their capable of medalling.

colly10

Anyone know when RTE are showing more of the boxing today? It shows up in the listing when you click i, but im bored out of my mind here watching smimming waiting for them to show boxing.

cowzerp

i think most of our lads could medal, even joyce and barnes, it all depends on there form and there opponents form too!

joyce had trouble with his opponent before but if he beats him then its up in the air, barnes is still an unknown quantity and it remains to be seen how far he could go!

the rest can definetly medal if there on top of there games..who'd of said carruth would win gold and beat hernandez in the final?

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote: »

i think most of our lads could medal, even joyce and barnes, it all depends on there form and there opponents form too!

joyce had trouble with his opponent before but if he beats him then its up in the air, barnes is still an unknown quantity and it remains to be seen how far he could go!

the rest can definetly medal if there on top of there games..who'd of said carruth would win gold and beat hernandez in the final?

Joyce was beaten comfortably twice by Gyula Kate, 23-7 and 32-17. Those are huge point differences and in reality he has only a slightly better chance of upsetting World Championships and 2 time European Bronze medal winner as Julius Jackson had of beating Kenny Egan today.


Carruth mightn't have been favourite to win a Gold medal in 1992, but he had won a Bronze medal at the World Championships in 1989. He was always in with a good chance of a medal and an outside chance of Gold.


I'm fairly sure neither Barnes nor Joyce will be picking up a medal, Egan I'm pretty hopeful for after a great draw and while Sutherland and Nevin will both have to face Silver medal winners from the World Championships other than that their draws are fine. Sutherland is capable of getting revenge on Blanco but would rightfully be an underdog. Who knows what Nevin is really capable of.

cowzerp

Big Ears wrote: »

Joyce was beaten comfortably twice by Gyula Kate, 23-7 and 32-17. Those are huge point differences and in reality he has only a slightly better chance of upsetting World Championships and 2 time European Bronze medal winner as Julius Jackson had of beating Kenny Egan today.

i know that but if he gets through thats a major obstacle out of his way, and his odds will dramatically drop-i know he swimming againmst the tide but it would not be the 1st time fighters have raised there game for events such as the olympics! fingers crossed i'd say!

sligobhoy67

cowzerp wrote: »

i know that but if he gets through thats a major obstacle out of his way, and his odds will dramatically drop-i know he swimming againmst the tide but it would not be the 1st time fighters have raised there game for events such as the olympics! fingers crossed i'd say!

who just beat regining world champion Abbos Atoev in his first fight???????? :eek::eek::D;)

walshb

Joyce won 9-5 in a good fight. He boxed lovely and has a lovely style, however, he looked tired from rd 3 to the final bell.

I thought Atoev in the 81 kg weight was a silver medalist in Chicago?

DubCul

Very good win by Joyce, well worth getting up at 7.30 to see.

Dodge

walshb wrote: »

I thought Atoev in the 81 kg weight was a silver medalist in Chicago?

No, he beat Beterbiyev 20-17 for gold. It was a bit of a shock at the time.

Fabulous win for Joyce. Up against Diaz of the Dominican Republic in the last 16

walshb

You are correct. Damn commentators said he was a world silver medalist from Chicago.
I wasn't overly impressed at all with him. He lost yesterday to the Tajikistan fighter
There have been a few commentary errors regarding stats in the games so far, I have noticed

ROCKMAN

Two great results so far, Joyce a very good performance , This fight was won in the locker room, a big hats off to the coaching staff , They came up with a great tactical plan and far play to Joyce for executing it perfectly.

As for the commentators , Magee is making my ears bleed

Anyone catch England's Billy joe Saunders fight . Very impressive for a 18 year old against top class opponent , OK he has a very hard draw ,with a Cuban up next for him , but I think he would be one of the Stars of the games.

walshb

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Two great results so far, Joyce a very good performance , This fight was won in the locker room, a big hats off to the coaching staff , They came up with a great tactical plan and far play to Joyce for executing it perfectly.

As for the commentators , Magee is making my ears bleed

Anyone catch England's Billy joe Saunders fight . Very impressive for a 18 year old against top class opponent , OK he has a very hard draw ,with a Cuban up next for him , but I think he would be one of the Stars of the games.

Agreed about Magee. He is so bad. I listened to his commentary on Egan and it was dreadful, lacking any passion and info. He didn't even update us as the scores were piling up.
I think it's time for Jimmy to hang up his gloves, pardon the pun; but he's a little muddled I think and it's making for poor commentary.

cowzerp

Have to agree with you's on magee!
1 lad got knocked out and magee was saying its bad for boxing!
its boxing, the aim is to knock out your opponent, maybe he thinks these lads dont feel the shots.

i think he's a nice guy but he has to go, he's nothing to do with boxing either..

walshb

Paul, although I think Magee should be gone now, did you know boxing is his real passion and favorite sport and his number 1 sports athlete ever is Ali. He has huge admiration for the game and has been years covering it in the commentary box, however, lately he is becoming a bit farcical!

cowzerp

yeah i agree, its clear he's a fan but his knowledge is quite poor and he just sounds like your grandad doing commentary in your living room!

ps, I hate the computer scoring, it misses so many good punches, ring back the paper scoring...:(

walshb

Yes, he is muddled at this stage I think. The comp scoring I never liked and it's so unfair at times. Guys giving it their absolute all and almost winning, to be then told they scored maybe 2 points. Disgraceful!!

The most annoying part is when say a boxer gives his opponent a count in a rd that is close. The count given may not even register a score, the receiver of the count gets a rest and can still win the rd.

On paper, if you gave your opponnent a count in a rd that was close, you definitely won the rd by at least 1 point and possibly 2 points

DubCul

If you were around during paper scoring you would never want it back.

Judging was as biased as the Eurovision song contest:eek: