The Fishal Olympics Boxing Thread

ROCKMAN

2-0 rd1 against

joker77

Barnes 2 nil down after round 1. Thought he was very very unlucky not to get at least 1 point, especially at the end

joker77

He's hit him at least 3 times and not scored, WTF!!!

joker77

Ah here, where did that 5th point come from...

ROCKMAN

8-0 rd2

Dodge

Classy stuff by the Chinese

Draupnir

Chinese kid is a different class indeed, still think Barnes has landed at least 3 scoring shots here.

efb

would have pushed for Barnes at end of 1st, wouldn't have given him Jimmys point in the second, Chinaman picking his punches perfectly

raven136

the chinese is fantastic but whats with the scoring,he still wouldnt beat him but it would be nice if clean punches were counted:mad:

joker77

The Chinese guy is winning, but Paddy has scored at least 4 times and it's not registered. Leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth

Draupnir

I'm sure Bernard Dunne will let us know what he thinks about the scores not counting, then Dowling will say Barnes didnt deserve them and finally Carruth will say that he was robbed of a few scores in his Semi in Barcelona, but he pulled through to win gold. Just in case someone has forgotten he won gold that time!

kpnuts

It's as you were before the fight. Paddy was always going to need to knock the Chinaman out to win. Let's have a K.O. in R4!

ROCKMAN

11 -0 rd3

THE " 0 " is questionable .

efb

lads I really can't see where your getting all these barnes' scores 1st round punch excepted

suckslikeafox

What the heck like, its all coming apart

Draupnir

efb wrote: »

lads I really can't see where your getting all these barnes' scores 1st round punch excepted

I would give him any scores in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th but definitely at least 2 in the first, in my opinion.

Dodge

suckslikeafox wrote: »

What the heck like, its all coming apart

What is? Did anyone think this fight was going to be different?

Dodge

Finished 15-0

About 15 points in the difference arlight

joker77

Well done Paddy, outclassed on the day but you can hold your head high! Congrats on the bronze medal, you've done us proud.

ROCKMAN

15-0
result not in question , Just the no score for barnes,
Shiming is top top class

Well done PADDY , great tournament, fantastic result,

makl

"serious, nothin?" his comment at end, he well knew he'd scored a few. tops to zou tho.

watch hernandez now, watchye reckon

efb

lads Zou didn't score with his guiding opening jabs that landed and didn't score (rightly). Little clean scoring punches landed with force by Paddy, most of his shots landed were glancing blows

efb

Anyway well done Paddy ,all the best for 2012

peejay1986

raven136 wrote: »

the chinese is fantastic but whats with the scoring,he still wouldnt beat him but it would be nice if clean punches were counted:mad:

my thoughts exactly.

Stunning performance for the Chinese lad, really amazing. But no way Barnes should've ended with 0 points. I conservatively counted 3 for him.

Still though, this can't overshadow a great bronze medal for Barnes. Congratulations Paddy! You've done Ireland proud.

Judomad

for the first time iv seen a two punch combo score two points, his straight right left uppercut in the 3rd got 2 points, usually its been one point for combos up to this point by the judgen in the olympics this year, questionable system but f*ck it, we knew when they touched gloves shiming would score a point...

T-K-O

Scoring was more the generous but Paddy was totally outclassed. The chinese dude looked class in there.

Congrats Paddy!!!!

Running Bing

Paddy Barnes is an absolute legend!



I dont care if he lost the desire and hunger he had was that of a winner.


"Bronze is for losers"...fair play to him he wanted the gold. I hope he gets the head down and stays amateur because he will win gold at 2012!

joker77

Paddy just being interview now

"I'm being drug tested, the judges should be drug tested"

"You can keep the bronze medal, don't want it."

"Bronze is for losers"

The young lad is gutted

efb

like Paddy's reaction, not happy with bronze Get gold in 2012!

ironictoaster

I counted 3 points as well.

makl

shoulda seen the french lad earlier, lost 12-10, tough as well. ballin his eyes screamin at the judges, vastine i think his name was - instead of havin 5 judges have 6 - but have 3 for each boxer - 2 out of 3 scores.

if a boxer feels hard done by, whether true or not you have to deal with the perception - boxers are feelin that way so system has to be looked at.

fook, hernandez lost on countback, ah well...!

efb

I prefer the judging here that in Chicago where every pitted patter shot counted. Sure it may have been (slightly) generous to the Chinaman but a 15 point difference looked about right to me.

efb

French guy lost because of two warnings (4 points) from the ref. The judges had fcuk
all to do with it.

makl

efb wrote: »

French guy lost because of two warnings (4 points) from the ref. The judges had fcuk
all to do with it.

ah right just caught the last round, cheers.

either way, there are a lot of questions over the judgin (as seen through all posts interviews etc etc) ... even french guy might've thought he won by 6! he did look bitter tho

walshb

Babybing wrote: »

Paddy Barnes is an absolute legend!



I dont care if he lost the desire and hunger he had was that of a winner.


"Bronze is for losers"...fair play to him he wanted the gold. I hope he gets the head down and stays amateur because he will win gold at 2012!

Hey, I'm all for the winners attitude etc, but Barnes was a little OTT IMO. Ok, he lost and he was totally outclassed, but the attitude and fame I think went to his head. What if he had have met Zou in RD 1. He wouldn't have even got a medal. He won a couple of bouts and suddenly it's GOLD or nothing?:rolleyes:

He still could have got across his disappointment and said 'I'm upset, as I wanted GOLD'; but to be basically slating the whole Olympics and saying they can keep their medal', get over yourself Paddy, you were thoroughly outclassed and you are lucky to be a bronze medal winner. He was a sore loser and nobody likes a sore loser.

Running Bing

walshb wrote: »

Hey, I'm all for the winners attitude etc, but Barnes was a little OTT IMO. Ok, he lost and he was totally outclassed, but the attitude and fame I think went to his head. What if he had have met Zou in RD 1. He wouldn't have even got a medal. He won a couple of bouts and suddenly it's GOLD or nothing?:rolleyes:

He still could have got across his disappointment and said 'I'm upset, as I wanted GOLD'; but to be basically slating the whole Olympics and saying they can keep their medal', get over yourself Paddy, you were thoroughly outclassed and you are lucky to be a bronze medal winner. He was a sore loser and nobody likes a sore loser.

No but everyone respects a winner which he will be some day because of his attitude. I respect Paddy for what he said a lot more than Sutherland this morning basically settling for the Bronze and being all proud of himself!

You have to absolutely detest losing to excel at the highest level....you have to see it as the worst thing in the world, the only difference is Paddy is young and maybe does not have the restraint that comes with experience and he found it hard to hide his true emotion.


So refreshing to hear such an attitude from an Irish athlete though.

ironictoaster

"We're in China so what do you expect" - Paddy Barnes

efb

makl wrote: »

ah right just caught the last round, cheers.

either way, there are a lot of questions over the judgin (as seen through all posts interviews etc etc) ... even french guy might've thought he won by 6! he did look bitter tho

I haven't had a issue with any of the decisions of the fights I've seen , and I can only comment on the fights Ive seen.

walshb

There's a way of going about it. That's the issue here. Paddy went about it all wrong and I don't accept that. He showed a real sore loser attitude.

Listen to the likes of Idowu yesterday in the triple jump final. He was world number 1 and only got the silver, yet he wasn't bitter. Yes, he was really disappointed, but he expressed it in a sportsmanlike manner.

Barnes was a nobody really before the tournament, he won two bouts, avoided the cream in both and lost to a class class act easily. Now he's making out that it was GOLD or nothing and that they can stuff their medal? That's a plain bad loser!!

As to the fight, did Barnes throw one single jab at all. He was always looking for the big shots and never used the basic lead jab at all. I can't understand this, and Dunne touched on it.

cowzerp

0 points shows whats wrong with amateur scoring system-that would make you feel he got pummelled out of it, he was beaten fair and square but that has to be disheartening, also his attitude annoyed me tbh, he devalued every one elses bronze with his crap talk.

Sutherland boxed awful technically and tactically today, and barnes was just in a different league to his counterpart!

Well done on the medals lads and hopefully Egan can bump us up the medals now...still proud of the boys..

walshb

Spot on Paul on all accounts!

efb

Surely Cowzerp RSC would indicate he got pummled out it? A ref can't let a boxer take unnecessary punishment. To me 15-0 indicates a fight where one boxer picked off his shots and didn't allow the other guy a chance to score.

makl

efb wrote: »

I haven't had a issue with any of the decisions of the fights I've seen , and I can only comment on the fights Ive seen.

fair enough but it's not about that, its not about what you or me see, or what we count - if someone thinks paddy didnt deserve a point thats fine - but its about the boxers in the ring, and if they feel theres an issue then it should be looked. and there is an issue, that seems to be the general consensus here

MBC

efb wrote: »

Surely Cowzerp RSC would indicate he got pummled out it? A ref can't let a boxer take unnecessary punishment. To me 15-0 indicates a fight where one boxer picked off his shots and didn't allow the other guy a chance to score.

But thats the thing to me it looked like he scored about 4/5 points in the fight..........if paddy was 2-2 (which he should have been) after the 1st round the 2nd round on would have been totatlly different........it seemed to me that zou was gettin points easily from the judges but they didnt want to award paddy any?

I wouldnt read to much into his interview afterwards..........the young guy was only out of the ring and obviously very disappointed......not only to lose but manly not to score a point.

arybvtcw0eolkf

cowzerp wrote: »

0 also his attitude annoyed me tbh, he devalued every one elses bronze with his crap talk.
..

+1.

madds

walshb wrote: »

Barnes was a nobody really before the tournament, he won two bouts, avoided the cream in both and lost to a class class act easily. Now he's making out that it was GOLD or nothing and that they can stuff their medal? That's a plain bad loser!!

Perhaps Walsh had Barnes psyched up before the fight telling him you can beat this guy, you're this, you're that. Don't coaches do that? Barnes comments were made not too long after the fight so maybe he's still got the blinkers on. I'm sure on mature reflection he'll see the fight, and his own performance differently.

efb

I think they were talking about bringing in a system where the five judges scores all counted independly of one another and the best and worst for each were discounted, leaving a 3-0 or 2-1 decision at the end, this may be fairer as what scores remains the same, but the need for 3 judges to to press within 1 second of each other would be gone. It would however allow blatent cheating to come back in as once you have allowed the judges to give whatever decision they wanted irrespective of what happened in the fight. I know there would be monitoring of the judges and when they register their scores but it's that kind of Judging that allows decisions to become more questioable. Right now I think it's not the decisions that are in question but rather points awarded to a boxer. I think the scoring was fine in Barnes' fight, I'd have given him one point close to the end of round one.

eagle eye

walshb wrote: »

Hey, I'm all for the winners attitude etc, but Barnes was a little OTT IMO. Ok, he lost and he was totally outclassed, but the attitude and fame I think went to his head. What if he had have met Zou in RD 1. He wouldn't have even got a medal. He won a couple of bouts and suddenly it's GOLD or nothing?:rolleyes:

He still could have got across his disappointment and said 'I'm upset, as I wanted GOLD'; but to be basically slating the whole Olympics and saying they can keep their medal', get over yourself Paddy, you were thoroughly outclassed and you are lucky to be a bronze medal winner. He was a sore loser and nobody likes a sore loser.

Thats a little ott from you tbf. Its just after the bout, he went into that ring believing he could win the bout, he admitted that he was beaten by a better boxer. He was disgusted with the judging and the fact that he did not get a score. It was not all about losing although that would not have helped. His annoyance and comments were more aimed at the judging than at the loss.
He might have came across as a sore loser to some people but that is not what it was about imo after listening to his interview.

Fizman

Correct me if i am wrong but I'm pretty sure it was Barnes who I saw being interviewed after his QF win saying that he is delighted to be just taking part in the Olympics and to have gotten to this stage....and that bronze was a v good achievement!??? (para-phrasing there).

Slight change of tune if it he did say that!

BaZmO*

It's ironic that he discounts a Bronze medal yet feels that he should've scored at least one point, a point that would've been a token point when you're beaten by such a large margin.

Anyway hard luck to the lad, nobody likes loosing in a semi final. Hopefully Egan can come good later on.