The Fishal Olympics Boxing Thread

sligobhoy67

megadodge wrote: »

That's why he's rapidly becoming my favourite boxer !!

hope ye like the article I did on him on Wikipedia after he qualified at the world - could be a little out of date as I havent edited it since the limpicks started

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Barnes

cowzerp

He's got this lads number, no doubt!

sligobhoy67

makl wrote: »

massive chance of gettin to final when he does fight jeffries

should be now - just before Kenny

ROCKMAN

great first 2 rounds

keep it up lad

Dodge

Egan 3-0 up after first

Dodge

3-0 after 2nd

Dodge

7-0 after 3rd. Egan in total control

ROCKMAN

just fantastic

2 mins

PLEASEEEEEE

ROCKMAN

YES

Get in there

TWO THROUGH

GREAT DAY

dlofnep

Congrats Kenny.

Was it just me or were those judges hesitant to score punches?

Dodge

Egan wins 8-0.

Fabulous win. At least 2 medals now. Brilliant return for the team (so far)

sligobhoy67

ROCKMAN wrote: »

YES

Get in there

TWO THROUGH

GREAT DAY

we want three, we want three!!!

brick tamland

Great performance by Kenny there

was by far the better fighter, could go all the way now

Great stuff

eagle eye

That was brilliant and so well deserved.

But we want three now as sligobhoy said

raven136

delighted for him,really deserved and he wanted this so much.
Great day for boxing in this country and best of luck to darren sutherland tomorrow

joker77

Brilliant stuff - so much for all the naysayers - 2 down 1 to go!

makl

top class, fair play to yis lads, now come on darren.

Judomad

Egan keeps improving...great fight....im liking our chances of him being in the final, well on paper he should beat him but yad never know, in sayin that on paper if he gets to the final hell lose, but it aint as easy as that, would love him to win it outright....

DubCul

Near perfect performance by Kenny Egan, all the work that has been done by elite boxers bearing fruit:pac:

Darren, make it a treble, good luck:D

megadodge

Hup ya boya !!!

It just gets better and better.

ROCKMAN

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

we want three, we want three!!!

YES greed is a good thing

cowzerp

Brilliant performance, should of been 20 something to nil!
he'll beat jefferies...
he's beat him before and will again..

sligobhoy67

cowzerp wrote: »

Brilliant performance, should of been 20 something to nil!
he'll beat jefferies...
he's beat him before and will again..

yeah I reckon Kenny will beat Tony.

Still cant see Paddy getting past Zou - I sooooo hope I am wrong!

Andyfbt

Egan has a great chance of at least a silver. Barnes is coming up against the fav and world champion, there's always hope but there'll be no shame if he doesn't make it. He's been a joy to watch so far

madds

cowzerp wrote: »

should of been 20 something to nil!

That scoring system is well flawed. I scored that fight 17-2 to Egan.

Anyway, great fight and well done to both our boxers today. Best of luck to Darren tomorrow. One thing's for sure, he won't hold back!

Dodge

With 9 of the 11 weight categories having their semi finalists decided, the follwoing countries are guaranteed medals. Puts our great showing in perspective IMO

Cuba 6
China 4
Azerbaijan 3
Ireland 2
GB 2
Italy 2
Kazakhstan 2
Mongolia 2
Russia 2
Ukraine 2
Armenia 1
Dominican Republic 1
France 1
Korea 1
Mauritius 1
Moldova 1
Thailand 1
Turkey 1
USA 1


The times for the lads semis

Friday
12pm (Irish time)
Barnes v Zou Shiming (China)

2pm (Irish Time)
Egan v Tony Jeffries (GB)

efb

Well done lads great work. Reckon as before it's Kenny for the silver and Barnes for the bronze. Can't see Darren winning tomorrow but love it if he did.

As an R/J just watching how the scoring in these championships seems to be low, effectively meaning only the good clean powerful shots count and the pitter patter don't (unlike Chicago). Looks aswell as though the refs have been encouraged to get the boxers to fight and not to be so quick with warnings/cautions as happened earlier in the championships.

I'm sticking with my revised prediction of 1 silver, 1 bronze, but hopefully I'll be underestimating it.

Big Ears

Before I start giving accolades to what is an immense achievement by two of our boxers, why are RTÉ continually lying to us.

Dowling said Blanco beat Sutherland by 2 points in the World Championship, it was actually 20-13.

Peter Collins claimed Barnes lost to Zou 30-13 in the World Championships, he didn't it was 22-8. Are they just making stuff up for the craic ?

Jeffries loss to Egan in the EU Championships was on a cut btw, but Egan is still the better boxer for me.

Anyway, simply fantastic from the two lads. Barnes seems to be continually improving and is so hard to hit with an almost Winky Wright like guard.
He knows how to unsettle opponents aswell as he's very rough in there and for his size(he's actually small enough at the weight) very strong.

The bad news for Paddy is he's in against a very classy opponent next. Zou Shiming forces guys to lunge in to try and connect on him and then he's able to counter with cat like reflexes. He's also got a big advantage being Chinese as despite what Walshb has said in another thread home boxers do get favoured in the Olympics and Chinese boxers have been favoured so far.

This is not a 50/50 contest, it's a 90/10 contest in Zou's favour. But Paddy will give it his all and that's all we can expect from him. He's done fantastic this far and has been a credit to Irish boxing and Irish Sport, as has Egan.


Now Kenny, I expected him to win today and he did so fairly comfortably.
I think the Ghanaian(who I felt should have beat the Brazilian) would have been tougher for Egan and would have put more pressure on. With that said the Brazilian was made to look worse than he was today because he just didn't know what to do with Kenny's footwork and movement. He didn't let his hands go more because he knew he'd be countered and basically the Brazilian was coming in with two chances today, very slim and none.....and he knew it.

I said a few days ago it would be disappointing if Egan didn't win Silver considering his draw and I stand by that. An Olympic bronze medalist is a great achievement don't get me wrong, but he is capable of more and hopefully will deliver more.

Tomorrow will be very tough for Sutherland, but it'll be bombs away from both men and we'll be able to enjoy it no matter what the result. If he were to win though it'd be the best win out of any of the lads to get to the semi-finals because Blanco is the World Silver medalist, he punches as hard as Darren and he's a cuter slicker boxer than Darren. We can live in hope though and no doubt he'll be inspired by what went on today.

Dodge

Big Ears wrote: »

Before I start giving accolades to what is an immense achievement by two of our boxers, why are RTÉ continually lying to us

The bit that annoys me is their constant use of "world rankings". There no official world rankings and the only thing that comes cclose is the completely unnofficial ABA rankings. Now don't get me wrong, these are handy to look at, but RTE are using them as gospel

keane2097

Thanks for all the info lads...

efb

I isually like Mick Dowling's analysis but I thought he was a bit patronizing to Katie Taylor when Collins asked her about Barnes' chances in the semis

sligobhoy67

efb wrote: »

I isually like Mick Dowling's analysis but I thought he was a bit patronizing to Katie Taylor when Collins asked her about Barnes' chances in the semis

Did again see the Kurbanov fight? I heard he going DQ'ed AGAIN against Shynaliev - that cant be true is it

Big Ears

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Did again see the Kurbanov fight? I heard he going DQ'ed AGAIN against Shynaliev - that cant be true is it

Didn't see it myself but it is true, disqualified for biting......

efb

betfair offering 12's on Sutherland to Gold, if he can get over tomorrow and that's a very big if, he stands a good chance

Dodge

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Did again see the Kurbanov fight? I heard he going DQ'ed AGAIN against Shynaliev - that cant be true is it

Showed a bit of it on the RTE round up. Was 6-6, then received two warnings for "wrestling". Ended up biting the guy on the shoulder...

Diamondmaker

Thats awesome!

I have been rocking a few boats on the athletics forum suggesting that we should focus funds and trsaining on our already strong sports and divert funds from the long shot sport where we compete far shorter from the required level.

Imagine the power house boxing nation we would become if it got much more funding diverted from the miserable failures of the athletice funding that rarely delievers.

Over the years boxing has more often delivered the best return for investment on medals. Its something we should get behind as a Nation as our spriot

Big Ears

Diamondmaker wrote: »

Thats awesome!

I have been rocking a few boats on the athletics forum suggesting that we should focus funds and trsaining on our already strong sports and divert funds from the long shot sport where we compete far shorter from the required level.

Imagine the power house boxing nation we would become if it got much more funding diverted from the miserable failures of the athletice funding that rarely delievers.

Over the years boxing has more often delivered the best return for investment on medals. Its something we should get behind as a Nation as our spriot

I think we should put even more investment into boxing as the talent is clearly there, there are some very good fighters who won national titles this year but failed to make the Olympics. Hell there's some very good fighters who didn't win national titles this year but under the right environment they could qualify for the Olympics and do well there.

The great thing about us as a country focusing on trying to be succesful as a boxing nation is that we have a history of it and it's not like Britain who say a weak sport in track cycling and decided to rake money into it for the sake of medals. We're steeped in boxing history and after fighters represent us proudly as amateurs gunning for European, World and Olympic titles, they can turn pro(if they wish) and look at European and World titles there.

People love boxing in this country, it seems everyone had forgotten that for quite some time. I sat hungover in my sitting room with 8 other (hungover)friends watching John Joe Joyce do the country proud and every person in that room was screaming him on. Those other 7 aren't what you consider real boxing fans either, they'd only watch what's on RTÉ but yet that fight meant so much to them.

Everyone was truly gutted when he lost, not because an Irish athlete had been unlucky in not progressing in the Olympics, because an Irish boxer had been unlucky in not progressing in the Olympics.

That's partially because Joyce seems such a likeable lad, if he was to turn pro I think he'd get great support. But it would have been the same for any of our boxers.

We'll never be Cuba, with Gaelic Football, Soccer, Hurling and Rugby there's just too many main stream sport here for that to happen. But why not make boxing our 5th sport, we've the talent here, the public have a huge interest in it when it's publicly available and we've a history to go with it.

All we need is a bit more initiative and a bit more funding.
Irish boxers should be shown when competing in World and European Championships aswell, it would be piss cheap to show and would gather reasonable viewing audiences.

thirtyfoot

Diamondmaker wrote: »

Imagine the power house boxing nation we would become if it got much more funding diverted from the miserable failures of the athletice funding that rarely delievers.

Its not a case of diverting money from one sport to another, we need diversity of sport to be a true sporting nation, like the Australians. I believe the boxing story is the success story of Irish sport and we should use its template to help the other less successfull sports (like my own athletics) not sacrifice our sporting diversity by focussing on only a handfull. The grant scheme is equitable enough at the moment and rewards athletes of all sports who get to a high global level (mainly off their own steam). More money is needed to aid development at grassroots so more can get to an elite level. I'd be interested to know the makeup of the High Performance Centre and see what has made it so successfull. More money to boxing, but more to badminton, kayaking, sailing etc etc.

The use of the word miserable failure to describe an olym pian shows some ignorance I'm afraid.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Before I start giving accolades to what is an immense achievement by two of our boxers, why are RTÉ continually lying to us.

Dowling said Blanco beat Sutherland by 2 points in the World Championship, it was actually 20-13.

Peter Collins claimed Barnes lost to Zou 30-13 in the World Championships, he didn't it was 22-8. Are they just making stuff up for the craic ?

Jeffries loss to Egan in the EU Championships was on a cut btw, but Egan is still the better boxer for me.

Anyway, simply fantastic from the two lads. Barnes seems to be continually improving and is so hard to hit with an almost Winky Wright like guard.
He knows how to unsettle opponents aswell as he's very rough in there and for his size(he's actually small enough at the weight) very strong.

The bad news for Paddy is he's in against a very classy opponent next. Zou Shiming forces guys to lunge in to try and connect on him and then he's able to counter with cat like reflexes. He's also got a big advantage being Chinese as despite what Walshb has said in another thread home boxers do get favoured in the Olympics and Chinese boxers have been favoured so far.

This is not a 50/50 contest, it's a 90/10 contest in Zou's favour. But Paddy will give it his all and that's all we can expect from him. He's done fantastic this far and has been a credit to Irish boxing and Irish Sport, as has Egan.


Now Kenny, I expected him to win today and he did so fairly comfortably.
I think the Ghanaian(who I felt should have beat the Brazilian) would have been tougher for Egan and would have put more pressure on. With that said the Brazilian was made to look worse than he was today because he just didn't know what to do with Kenny's footwork and movement. He didn't let his hands go more because he knew he'd be countered and basically the Brazilian was coming in with two chances today, very slim and none.....and he knew it.

I said a few days ago it would be disappointing if Egan didn't win Silver considering his draw and I stand by that. An Olympic bronze medalist is a great achievement don't get me wrong, but he is capable of more and hopefully will deliver more.

Tomorrow will be very tough for Sutherland, but it'll be bombs away from both men and we'll be able to enjoy it no matter what the result. If he were to win though it'd be the best win out of any of the lads to get to the semi-finals because Blanco is the World Silver medalist, he punches as hard as Darren and he's a cuter slicker boxer than Darren. We can live in hope though and no doubt he'll be inspired by what went on today.

I never siad that the Chinese boxers wouldn't be favored and I agree that home advantage will benefit the Chinese. I disagreed that there was actual collusion involved between the Chinese an the authorities, that's all.

Now, to the Egan bout. Did anyone else feel that Egan's opponent was really really poor?

Egan is brilliant and boxed beautiful; but that guy was useless and as Big Ears also thought, I too had the Ghanian beating him and I had fears for Kenny if the Ghanian got thru.

I have never seen such a one sided bout in the Olympics as what I saw with Egan's bout.

I think Kenny can get to the final and who knows from there. I really hope he does it.

Dodge

walshb wrote: »

Now, to the Egan bout. Did anyone else feel that Egan's opponent was really really poor?

He was, but he's a half decent record behind him. Beating fighters from Puerto Rico and the USA to get there

walshb

Dodge wrote: »

He was, but he's a half decent record behind him. Beating fighters from Puerto Rico and the USA to get there

God, what does that say for the state of the US team?

I just thought he was so poor. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining
and I am thoroughly happy that Kenny had such an easy win. I would rather
that than a hard win. I just wouldn't get too complacent and hype it
up too much. Egan is a class act and I hope he and the team stay fully
focused and realise that the win, though great, was against a punch bag.

buck65

You are right walshb, Silva was atrocious, occasion seemed to get to him and Egan destroyed him.
Did he throw one decnt punch? I doubt it.
What time is Darren fighting at.

walrusgumble

right. i am going to ask an extremely retarded question,

Basically the two irish boxers are now in the semi's, great stuff and hopefully they will go further. everyone says they are guaranteed at least a bronze. i was watching the bbc coverage yesterday (great if you have the sky box) and the pundits mentioned that Jefferies - Egan's next opponent is also guaranteed a bronze medal aswell.

Now at the serious risk of getting hammered here, if there are 4 people in a semi final, isn't one going to lose out of a medal (assuming its like soccer ie third/fourth place playoff) and the two in the final pick up silver and gold.

sorry!

Big Ears

walrusgumble wrote: »

right. i am going to ask an extremely retarded question,

Basically the two irish boxers are now in the semi's, great stuff and hopefully they will go further. everyone says they are guaranteed at least a bronze. i was watching the bbc coverage yesterday (great if you have the sky box) and the pundits mentioned that Jefferies - Egan's next opponent is also guaranteed a bronze medal aswell.

Now at the serious risk of getting hammered here, if there are 4 people in a semi final, isn't one going to lose out of a medal (assuming its like soccer ie third/fourth place playoff) and the two in the final pick up silver and gold.

sorry!

Not retarded at all, it's one most people not used to amateur boxing have either asked or wondered about.

The answer is both semi-finalists receive a Bronze medal and there is no play-off fight. This is in the interest of safety and fairness as both losing semi-finalists would have obviously lost and possibly taken a beating.
Two beatings in a short space of time is a bad idea, and combined with the chance of fighters missing out on Bronze medals because they are unable to fight a playoff due the injuries it was decided back in the 60's that they should scrap the 3-4th place fight.


Best of luck to Darren today, if there's a time to pull off a shock it's now.

walshb

walrusgumble wrote: »

right. i am going to ask an extremely retarded question,

Basically the two irish boxers are now in the semi's, great stuff and hopefully they will go further. everyone says they are guaranteed at least a bronze. i was watching the bbc coverage yesterday (great if you have the sky box) and the pundits mentioned that Jefferies - Egan's next opponent is also guaranteed a bronze medal aswell.

Now at the serious risk of getting hammered here, if there are 4 people in a semi final, isn't one going to lose out of a medal (assuming its like soccer ie third/fourth place playoff) and the two in the final pick up silver and gold.

sorry!

This has been asked several times in this thread and the case is that both losing semi finalists receive a Bronze and do NOT have to fight off for it!

thirtyfoot

Big Ears wrote: »

Best of luck to Darren today, if there's a time to pull off a shock it's now.

Whats the craic today, is he an outsider or not expected to progress?

Diamondmaker

Tingle wrote: »

Its not a case of diverting money from one sport to another, we need diversity of sport to be a true sporting nation, like the Australians. .

In the absence of enough funds to go around diversity is not possible. Peter has to be robbed to pay Paul. We will never be a true sporting nation like Oz, it is not in our culture.

In Austarlia there are huge cultural issues in the overfunding of sports!
Our attitide in Ireland, to sport outside ( our ball games) would not allow disproportinate funding into sports away from Arts and Education or Health for example.

Ozzies are willing to put up with short comings in other areas, as their desire for sport is far greater than the Irish. ( you have to live here to appreciate this )

As Homer said " sport sports sports sports sports "

Also Boxing is also traditionally associated with Ireland. This Olympics should really boost boxings profile, which incidently, big bouts also draw far greater crowds than track meets, which is an indicator of public desire.

Sport is about succes, entertaining the public and bringing pride and scuccess to a nation. In the Olympic arena Boxing is by far the best chance of this, proven by yet another Olympics.

Im not sure on the full medal to competitior ratio, but at the minute it could be as high as 3 from 5 tis year.
Carruth and McCullough other notible winners from a similarly small team of fighters.

When it comes to public funds best value for money should be sought and boxing clearly delivers this.

I come from an Athletics background but as a spectator and Irish person I would rather see winners in the ring than honourable efforts on a track.

peejay1986

What time (irish time) is Sutherland's fight on at?

Diamondmaker

peejay1986 wrote: »

What time (irish time) is Sutherland's fight on at?

1pm. !

thirtyfoot

Diamondmaker wrote: »

I come from an Athletics background but as a spectator and Irish person I would rather see winners in the ring than honourable efforts on a track.

I presume you would have been in the boxing forum 4 years ago calling Andy Lee a miserable failure while jumping up and down and trying to get everyone off to the gymkhana over on the Equistrian forum (until the horse got caught:)). Point being, you can't take a short sighted view on sport governance, thats what has been done all along and it needs to change. The boxers came under pressure when the "system" didn't seem to be working up to pretty recently as far as I am aware but things have slowly come together. Its not a case of pumping money in because we can get medals there or here, its not always the money but the system. Lets see what the boxing system is and apply to other sports. Boxing is our top Olympic sport no doubt, but Athletics is close behind - ask the man in the street who Hugh Russell or John Treacy are. I am excited whats happening in the boxing setup and as an athletics man want a piece of the action for my sport!