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mazdaI don't mean to sound patronising but:
I know a guy who owns a golf that breaks down constantly... :rolleyes:
BTW, if the wiper motor was broken it would have been replaced under warranty...
Was it a second hand 206 were the breaks maintained. Were they drum breaks on the 206 as opposed to disks on the golf - was the 206 in a much lower price bracket than the golf and therefore had less powerful breaks.
I once drove a Porsche Boxter and the brakes were better than a Ford Focus... I had a 1978 Mk1 Ford Fiesta and the breaks weren't great...
If you want uprated equipment on a car, you pay for it.
You can't even spell "brakes". Give us a break!
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I've just takena few marques from this survery as examples.
WhatCar 2007 reliability survery:
AUDI 20th of 26
2006 position 22nd of 26
Claims per 100 vehicles 34.7
Average age 4.7 years
Average mileage 54,730
Average repair cost £372
Average repair time 2.7 hours
Best model A6 ('04-present)
Worst model Allroad ('00-'05)
A slight improvement on last year, but still disappointing.
The main areas of concern were the electrical systems and axle and suspension.
Fuel systems accounted for a sixth of claims and proved particularly troublesome on the current A6.
The old-shape Allroad was Audi's most unreliable car, with 48 claims per 100 cars, but the previous TT was close behind with 47.
FIAT 13th of 26
2006 position 20th of 26
Claims per 100 vehicles 29.2
Average age 4.8 years
Average mileage 46,400
Average repair cost £278
Average repair time 2.3 hours
Best model Stilo ('01-'07)
Worst model Multipla ('99-present)
A decent improvement for Fiat. The Stilo and Bravo proved dependable, but the Multipla's 52% failure rate dragged down the company's overall result.
Fiat's average hourly labour rate was the third cheapest in the survey at £44 per hour, and the average repair cost was also reasonable at £278.
So if your Fiat does go wrong, chances are it won't cost you the earth to put it right.
PEUGEOT 11th of 26
2006 position 8th of 26
Claims per 100 vehicles 26.9
Average age 4.8 years
Average mileage 47,600
Average repair cost £229
Average repair time 2.2 hours
Best model 206 CC ('00-'07)
Worst model 206 ('98-'06)
Peugeot is streets ahead of Renault this year, but it is beaten by Citroen and drops out of the overall top 10, where it finished last year.
The 206 proved to be its worst model, with electrical problems cropping up for a third of owners.
However, only Skodas had lower average repair bills than Peugeots, which typically cost £229 to fix.
RENAULT 25th of 26
2006 position 25th of 26
Claims per 100 vehicles 44.3
Average age 4.5 years
Average mileage 46,400
Average repair cost £270
Average repair time 2.3 hours
Best model Clio ('98-'05)
Worst model Espace ('97-'02)
Renault is putting down roots at the bottom of our reliability league table. For the past three years, it has been anchored in 25th position.
SAAB 21st of 26
2006 position 23rd of 26
Claims per 100 vehicles 36.7
Average age 5.1 years
Average mileage 59,500
Average repair cost £322
Average repair time 2.4 hours
Best model 9-5 ('01-present)
Worst model 9-5 ('97-'01)
Saabs have the highest average mileage in this survey and they are the third-oldest cars, which perhaps explains the company's lowly ranking.
Electrical and suspension problems were responsible for six out of 10 faults. In fact, electrical problems dogged every model.
However, there may be light at the end of the tunnel. The old 9-5 model was the least-reliable Saab, but the current version was the company's best performer.
As you can see, if you want reliability from these makes, don't by a Saab or an Audi, buy a Fiat or a Peugot. Steer clear of Renault!! :pac:
However, Rover came 9th in that survey and here's what they have to say about that:On the face of it, Rover performed well, coming 9th overall, but its cars are the youngest in the survey and have the lowest annual mileage. Rover may well be further down the list in years to come
So, I can see Fiat improving next year thanks to the huge amount of new 500's on the road as well as good (new) Bravo sales in the UK. Time will tell if Fiat can increase reliability but I think it will.
Seems like I should have stuck with my Stilo instead of buying an unreliable Audi A3 0 -
Here's a survey from Warranty Direct where you can see that VW< Audi, Saab, Skoda are all listed as less reliable than a Fiat, Citroen or a Peugot. Fiats are also more reliable than BMW's
1. Mazda - 8.04%
2. Honda - 8.90%
3. Toyota - 15.78%
4. Mitsubishi - 17.04%
5. Kia - 17.39%
6. Subaru - 18.46%
7. Nissan - 18.86%
8. Lexus - 20.05%
9. Mini - 21.90%
10. Citroen - 25.98%
11. Daewoo - 26.30%
12. Hyundai - 26.36%
13. Peugeot - 26.59%
14. Ford - 26.76%
15. Suzuki - 27.20%
16. Porsche - 27.48%
17. Fiat - 28.49%
18. BMW - 28.64%
19. Vauxhall - 28.77%
20. Mercedes - 29.90%
21. Rover - 30.12%
22. Volvo - 31.28%
23. Volkswagen - 31.44%
24. Jaguar - 32.05%
25. Skoda - 32.12%
26. Chrysler - 34.90%
27. Audi - 36.74%
28. Seat - 36.87%
29. Renault - 36.87%
30. Alfa Romeo - 39.13%
31. Saab - 41.59%
32. Land Rover - 44.21%
33. Jeep - 46.36%0 -
hondaYou're really grasping at straws old mate:D!!
I'll admit I'd fall into the anti-Renault brigade based on EXPERIENCE of a family car (and friends' and neighbours' Meganes/Lagunas). Absolute ****heaps during 90's/early 00s at least. You seem fanatical in your defence of them which I'd understand if it was a marque like Alfa. But Renault?
- French Fords since the early 80's. French Toyotas even (without the dependability obviously).
In general Renault have an appalling record (over the last 10-15 years in particular). Most other manufacturers made strides forwards in reliability but Renault moved backwards if anything - putting underdeveloped surprise-and-delight electronic gimmicks on their cars. Reliability surveys, the man in the street, the dogs in the street - everyone knows it. Your convoluted interpretations of reliability surveys is very funny (and pedantic!)
BTW I drove one of the new Lagunas and quite liked it. Loved the interior - high quality for the market sector without resorting to Germanic sameness. I really hope they can pull up their socks.
It had nothing to do with my general like for Renaults. If he had said the same sentence with Ford or Citroen for example I'd have had the same reaction. If one manufacturer was last overall and last in most catagories then the statement might have made sense but to single out one manufacturer which I dotn think was last in any catagory in the last round of surveys is just stupid. The claim was that they are all reliable bar Renault. Bu tif thats the case why are there worse cars/manufacturers in each sector?0 -
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hondaFunny how Audi only gets one vote compare to 27 for Fiat despite the results of many surveys showing Audi to be less reliable!!.
This would be the "man down the pub" consesus I spoke of earlier. Some marques seem untouchable in this scheme. (VW and Audi seem the foundation of this line of thinking)
3 or 4 times this week during car related conversations among work folk I've heard them say how VW aregreat cars (it is said in a deliberate, sweeping statement designed to show how great VW are) . If everyone of them fell apart I doubt that opinion would change. I wouldnt mind but the one guy that has a VW car, a Passat has been left stranded twice int he last month when it packed in (once the brake locked up, luckily in slow moving traffic just after he left work, cant remember the 2nd)As it stands however, it's worth remembering that it only takes one weak model to wreck the reliability results for any marque.
Or not in the case of VW
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