Top 10 Countries that spend the most on ....

IvaBigWun · 12-08-2008 4:59pm #1

Healthcare

Look who's number one! :eek:

So Michael Moore was full of sh*t again when he made this?

I doubt Ireland would make the top 30.

Cookie_Monster · 12-08-2008 5:05pm

would cosmetic surgery etc fall under healthcare though?

Turd Ferguson · 12-08-2008 5:05pm

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Heathcare

Heathcare....lulz

Tigger · 12-08-2008 5:06pm

thats not gvt spending tho thats outright spend

us healthcare is dearer

IvaBigWun · 12-08-2008 5:08pm

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Heathcare....lulz

Eh?

KerranJast · 12-08-2008 5:09pm

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Heathcare

Look who's number one! :eek:

So Michael Moore was full of sh*t again when he made this?

I doubt Ireland would make the top 30.

The US spends a lot of money on healthcare for the poor and higher paid workers and rich can afford the price of insurance there. There's a huge chunk in the middle though that can't afford insurance but aren't poor enough to qualify for aid so go without. That was the gist of the film. US Health care = best in the world (if you're lucky enough to get access to it).

12-08-2008 5:09pm

Cant access this in work. Just make sure u should look at relativity as in per capita, not just the actual amount.

Also the US may have a high per capita but that doesnt always tell the whole story.

Doc · 12-08-2008 5:11pm

Dose this refer to government spending on healthcare or what?

Because if not then how is Michael Moore full of sh*t?

If insurance makes up this high level of spending then the poor still suffer don’t they?

IvaBigWun · 12-08-2008 5:12pm

KerranJast wrote: »

That was the gist of the film. US Health care = best in the world (if you're lucky enough to get access to it).

If I remember right the film made a mockery of the US heath system and Moore went around Europe looking at better systems in different countries.

rowlandbrowner · 12-08-2008 5:12pm

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/abstract/20/2/9

"5 percent of the population accounts for the majority of health expenditures."

on this occasion mr. moore was not full of sh*t.

IvaBigWun · 12-08-2008 5:14pm

Doc wrote: »

Because if not then how is Michael Moore was full of sh*t?

Wasnt the point of "Sicko" to make the US health system look a disgrace compared to the rest of the world? That chart (at first glance) would counter that.

Now imagine if Michael made a film about Ireland's system :pac:

Tom65 · 12-08-2008 5:18pm

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Wasnt the point of "Sicko" to make the US health system look a disgrace compared to the rest of the world? That chart (at first glance) would counter that.

Now imagine if Michael made a film about Ireland's system :pac:

Spending money doesn't equal a good health care system.

KerranJast · 12-08-2008 5:20pm

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Wasnt the point of "Sicko" to make the US health system look a disgrace compared to the rest of the world? That chart (at first glance) would counter that.

Now imagine if Michael made a film about Ireland's system :pac:

The point was the working class in the USA are unlikely to have health insurance and so suffer when they need to access healthcare. The rest of US society (the very poor, those with high paid jobs that include employer paid insurance and the rich) have access to the best health care system in the World.

Peyton Manning · 12-08-2008 5:22pm

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Heathcare....lulz

A few months too late for that unfortunately.

The_Minister · 12-08-2008 5:24pm

rowlandbrowner wrote: »

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/abstract/20/2/9

"5 percent of the population accounts for the majority of health expenditures."

on this occasion mr. moore was not full of sh*t.

That 5% is people with chronic illnesses/the very old.

brianthebard · 12-08-2008 5:28pm

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Wasnt the point of "Sicko" to make the US health system look a disgrace compared to the rest of the world? That chart (at first glance) would counter that.

Now imagine if Michael made a film about Ireland's system :pac:

so you looked at this for a few seconds and then decided mm was completely wrong?Well done on your in depth research.

Kavinsky · 12-08-2008 5:41pm

Michael Moore in biased film shocker :eek:

IvaBigWun · 12-08-2008 5:47pm

brianthebard wrote: »

so you looked at this for a few seconds and then decided mm was completely wrong?

That page lists the "World Map showing top 10 Countries That spend Most on Healthcare"

Moore's film investigates the American health care system.

So yes.

Winters · 12-08-2008 5:55pm

Just because you put in a lot of money doesnt necesarily mean you will get the best return. There are many factors which can lead to bad and mismanagement of funding and the like.

Michael Moore's film is also about as good as watching a dog taking a poop on the ground. It is in no way a documentary but a one sided biased opinon of a fat guy with some money and a camera.

Also, pointless thread.

Tigger · 12-08-2008 5:59pm

why on earth did youu start anotherone?

Victor · 12-08-2008 6:10pm

The_Minister wrote: »

That 5% is people with chronic illnesses/the very old.

More telling is that 50% of healcare goes on people in the last year of life. Primary health care has suffered because of this.

IvaBigWun · 12-08-2008 6:13pm

Tigger wrote: »

why on earth did youu start anotherone?

Too many tabs open. It was meant to be in here.

Earthhorse · 12-08-2008 6:26pm

Victor wrote: »

Moore telling is that 50% of healcare goes on people in the last year of life. Primary health care has suffered because of this.

I wouldn't believe anything he tells you to be honest.

Neamhshuntasach · 12-08-2008 6:33pm

Did the original poster ever see Sicko? It doesn't make a mockery of the standard of their healthcare. It makes a mockery of how it is run and how the insurance companies basically determine who and who isn't going to be covered for the treatment they need.

When the US healthcare system is compared with ones in Europe the main reason is highlight the difference in price. not how much better it is in Europe.

brianthebard · 12-08-2008 6:35pm

IvaBigWun wrote: »

That page lists the "World Map showing top 10 Countries That spend Most on Healthcare"

Moore's film investigates the American health care system.

So yes.

fail,massive fail.

The_Minister · 12-08-2008 7:18pm

Earthhorse wrote: »

I wouldn't believe anything he tells you to be honest.

I forget the actual figure, but I think thats 50% is actually very close to the truth.

Flamed Diving · 12-08-2008 7:32pm

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per-health-spending-per-person

http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_June_21/ai_n26902657

IvaBigWun = pwned

The guy · 12-08-2008 7:34pm

IvaBigWun wrote: »

So Michael Moore was full of sh*t again when he made this?

When was Michael Moore ever right?

Macha · 12-08-2008 7:39pm

For anyone interested in drawing a conclusion from a set (gasp!) of figures. Not just one.

http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/liamgr-58658-Health-Care-Ireland-Status-indicators-Outcomes-Primary-strategy-in-Education-ppt-powerpoint/

hunnybunny · 12-08-2008 8:31pm

I doubt Ireland would make the top 30.

Well we have the best paid nurses in Europe. Nurses in no other European country I know of make such a high salary starting off.

12-08-2008 8:42pm

IvaBigWun wrote: »

That page lists the "World Map showing top 10 Countries That spend Most on Healthcare"

Moore's film investigates the American health care system.

So yes.

:facepalm:

Moore was on about government spending and how the health service is too privitised.I was over there last summer and my friend(an illegal irish) got bitten by a snake.He spent two weeks in hospital and ended up owing 33000 dollars.
Obviously at these prices the americans would spend more.This means that the health care over there favours the better off.

The point you are trying to make is totally wrong.

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