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AudiChris: I'm sorry if my post offends you, but this is really the way I feel.
I don't think they have a hard job... dishing out fines is not hard.
A hard job is dealing with junkies and scumbags (like the kind that have taken up permanent residence St Anne's Park) and Gangs et. and they don't do that.
I accept that not all Garda are like this but I really feel the vast majority of them are.
another classic example of "revenue collection" is the places the Garda choose to set up their speed cameras on the road. Its nearly always:
A Big open road, with lots of traffic, a low speed limit where an accident has never occurred
rather than
A narrow winding Road with low traffic where and accident is very likely to occur as a result of speeding.
The reason they pick the big busy road is because they will catch more 20 times people 5kmh over the limit than they would on the narrow road.
Its not about "Saving Lives" its about money. It always has been and always will.
Our OP is just another classic example.
Also we even have a Garda Reserve (people not getting paid to do a so called hard job)
Btw I'm not having a go at you AudiChris. I can tell from all your posts on here that you're a sensible person
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A Big open road, with lots of traffic, a low speed limit where an accident has never occurred
rather than
A narrow winding Road with low traffic where and accident is very likely to occur as a result of speeding.
The reason they pick the big busy road is because they will catch more 20 times people 5kmh over the limit than they would on the narrow road.
Its not about "Saving Lives" its about money. It always has been and always will.
Or the reason that they dont do it on narrow winding roads could be that it would cause more accidents than fines they collect more than likely. Do you honestly think it would be safe for the gards to set up a speed trap on these roads? It would be the peron who crashed that would be at fault because thy would have been speeding or jamming on and being hit from behind (obviously the 2nd drivers fault in this case) but would blame matter when theres cars piling up?
Which police forces set up speed traps on narrow winding roads?0 -
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As much as these roads are the places the traps *should* be targetted, it's too dangerous to set speed traps on them.
Unless you don't make them a "trap".
Fixed speed cameras with proper signposting indicating their presence work well in other countries to bring accidents down in black spots.
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They dont have them on narrow winding roads though. Ive seen plenty on main residential roads in the Uk though.Unless you don't make them a "trap".
Fixed speed cameras with proper signposting indicating their presence work well in other countries to bring accidents down in black spots.
The one thing they don't make is money
You just have to look at the amount of muppets who dropped anchors daily on the M50 at theTallaght speed camera, a good mile or so insode the 60 zone. Whether they were doing around 60 or not. Now transfer that to a windy narrow road. Carnage.0 -
What I'm talking about is this:SPEED CAMERA sign - where you see one of these there WILL BE a speed camera (unlike UK where there are loads of signs but no cameras). The camera will be approx 500m from where you see this sign.
It looks like this.....
nothing sneaky about it ...and no reason to throw anchor in panic either
from here http://www.central-france.com/central_france_driving.htm (bottom of the page)0 -
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What I'm talking about is this:
nothing sneaky about it ...and now reason to throw anchor in panic either
from here http://www.central-france.com/central_france_driving.htm (bottom of the page)
Theres plenty of warnign about the M50 one (when it was there)0 -
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I take your point
But even still there are plenty of safe places to set up a speed camera where an accident is likely to occur (Killbarrack Road, Oscar Trayner Road, Hole in the Wall road etc etc) where people do be "Booting it" but because the volume of traffic on the road is low they don't bother. instead they take the easy way out. Set up a camera on the N32 (for those of you guys that don't know, its a 2 lane road thats perfectly straight with a speed limit of 60kmh and is approx 3 mile long) and the Garda are Always there, because its like shooting fish in a barrel for them. I know of people who have been pulled over for going 5kph over the limit on that road. that road must make the Goverment a fortune. And I think there has been one significant accident on that road since its construction and it wasn't over speed. (Child ran out into traffic)
Yeh, but the argument of "They should be someplace else" isn't a valid arugment at all. They will be at whatever location they setup at. If they were all on the back roads then people would be complaining because they wouldn't be catching as many people "Booting it" on the dual carriageways and motorways. I think if the speed limit is the issue then the speed limit should be looked at, not the garda doing his/her job.
We rave on about the Gardai not enforcing the law half the time, how about we give them credit where its due for once and manage to slow down to 60 when its 60 and 50 when its 50. It will make s*ag all difference to your overall journey time anyway.
In Ireland we always find something to complain about
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AudiChris: I'm sorry if my post offends you, but this is really the way I feel.
I don't think they have a hard job... dishing out fines is not hard.
A hard job is dealing with junkies and scumbags (like the kind that have taken up permanent residence St Anne's Park) and Gangs et. and they don't do that.
I accept that not all Garda are like this but I really feel the vast majority of them are.
another classic example of "revenue collection" is the places the Garda choose to set up their speed cameras on the road. Its nearly always:
A Big open road, with lots of traffic, a low speed limit where an accident has never occurred
rather than
A narrow winding Road with low traffic where and accident is very likely to occur as a result of speeding.
The reason they pick the big busy road is because they will catch more 20 times people 5kmh over the limit than they would on the narrow road.
Its not about "Saving Lives" its about money. It always has been and always will.
Our OP is just another classic example.
Also we even have a Garda Reserve (people not getting paid to do a so called hard job)
Btw I'm not having a go at you AudiChris. I can tell from all your posts on here that you're a sensible person
Graham,
You are without a doubt an ignorant fool. No other way too describe you really. Too make comments like that, especially mentioning Raheny directly.
Allow me too suggest you become a Garda if its such a well paid easy job. That way you can show us how to deal with these hardened criminals and we can be in awe of your brilliance and balls of steel.
A, slim, winding roads in wet conditions is dangerous and will result in the drivers and Gardai being killed. Thats why theres no speed checks on those roads. Because idiots that are speeding would kill us (http://newswire99.blogspot.com/2007/02/garda-and-fireman-killed-this-morning.html)
B, A road where accidents have never occured eh? perhaps your of the opinion that the M50, N7 and other similar roads are accident free zones but thats not the case. People speeding, again in bad conditions caused serious injuries and deaths not so long ago (http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/1106/rta.html, http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/?currDay=08.08.08, http://www.independent.ie/national-news/pileup-on-m1-causes-mayhem-1391836.html, http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2007/1016/index.html)
C, Not a Hard job? Well allow me too suggest that the following Gardai were indeed doing hard and dangerous jobs. Sadly I would run out of room posting all the stories but these few should be enough: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhgbidqlsnql/, http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2007/01/02/story21887.asp, http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0725/1216917539387.html, http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0704/1215110021138.html, http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/garda-shot-during-incident-in-dublins-north-strand-1088245.html, http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-avert-gun-carnage-at-funeral-1353353.html, http://www.enniscorthyecho.ie/news/story/?trs=cwsnqlcwmh&cat=news, http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/1206/tallaght.html, http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0614/1213369840497.html)
D, Dont deal with drugs? Oh god I really would run out of room very fast wouldnt I? (http://www.ndc.hrb.ie/directory/news_detail.php?cat_id=&news_id=2470&pointer=0, http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhqlauqlgboj/rss2/, http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-held-after-gardai-seize-heroin-worth-836412m-1456267.html, http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Gardai-seize-drugs-worth-50k.4364938.jp)
E, Oscar Trayner Road? Are you having a laugh? When was the last time anyone could drive more than 5 miles an hour in bumper to bumper traffic there?
F, Can you provide proof of such lawless behaviour in St Annes and Gangs wreaking havoc in Raheny? As a Garda that hails from Raheny I know its not a crime hotspot.
G, Finally, allow me too suggest that its the speeding, dangerous and drink drivers and not the Gardai that are causing deaths on our roads and allowing such 'vast' sums of money too be collected in fines.0 -
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The old boards rule still is though: "attack the post and not the poster"
In my defence though and as I said, its not an attack its an observation and opinion. The language used is in a dictionary and is accurate:
Ignorant
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.
1. One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding.
2. One who acts unwisely on a given occasion: I was a fool to have quit my job.
3. One who has been tricked or made to appear ridiculous; a dupe: They made a fool of me by pretending I had won.
4. Informal A person with a talent or enthusiasm for a certain activity: a dancing fool; a fool for skiing.
5. A member of a royal or noble household who provided entertainment, as with jokes or antics; a jester.
6. One who subverts convention or orthodoxy or varies from social conformity in order to reveal spiritual or moral truth: a holy fool.
7. A dessert made of stewed or puréed fruit mixed with cream or custard and served cold.
8. Archaic A mentally deficient person; an idiot.0 -
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