If we ever got invaded...

diverdriver

Late I know coming back but realismpol, talk about missing the point. It's not even in the same county never mind the ballpark. I never said Irish people were the same as the English anymore than the Scots and the Welsh are the same as the English. We're not, simple as that. We're different. But the Scots, Welsh, English and certain Irish are British both culturally and literally. We Irish are not that different.

Did you have trouble when you went to England? I'll bet you didn't, when I first went there. The only thing that leapt out at me as different was that most people had better cars and the traffic lights work differently. It doesn't feel foreign because frankly it isn't.

As for France, wow I'm surprised to reduce the whole country to an image of a Parisian ghetto. I also surprised to hear that they don't eat frog's legs for breakfast dinner and tea, sorry they don't do teatime, do they? That's a Brit thing. Oh dear!

England is a densley populated urban ghetto basically with some nice country spots. Ireland is a beautiful sparsely populated country with a rich culture heritage and sense of national identity.

The English rather think their country is a beautiful, if densely populated country with a very, very rich cultural heritage. Ever hear of Shakespeare? As for sense of national identity, well frankly I wish we Irish had a better sense of identity as Irish, but no it's all about local tribal issues in this country. Dublin v Cork v Kerry v Galway. If we had more a national identity we'd be a lot better off.

Fiatach

Ireland is currently occupied by Britain, denying us Independence incase you didn't notice. What is the point of posting fantasy threads about Ireland being invaded when it is already invaded and we are denied our freedom by British troops?? Arise from your slumber.

Denerick

Fiatach wrote: »

Ireland is currently occupied by Britain, denying us Independence incase you didn't notice. What is the point of posting fantasy threads about Ireland being invaded when it is already invaded by British troops?? Arise from your slumber.

An occupation that enjoys the majority support and consent of a majority of the people living under that jurisdiction? An occupation that permits and encourages nationalist/Republican participation in the political process, even providing a mechanism for reunification in the case of majority consent for such an eventuality?

I woke up in 1998, you seem to be stuck in 1916.

Fiatach

Denerick wrote: »

An occupation that enjoys the majority support and consent of a majority of the people living under that jurisdiction? An occupation that permits and encourages nationalist/Republican participation in the political process, even providing a mechanism for reunification in the case of majority consent for such an eventuality?

I woke up in 1998, you seem to be stuck in 1916.

The six counties does not constitute a majority considering a foreign government drew the boundary creating this 'majority'. Woke up? Looks like you lay down in 1998 im afraid. Your point does not change the fact the border was maintained and defended by British troops occupying a large part of Ireland.

Coriolanus

Fiatach wrote: »

The six counties does not constitute a majority considering a foreign government drew the boundary creating this 'majority'. Woke up? Looks like you lay down in 1998 im afraid. Your point does not change the fact the border was maintained and defended by British troops occupying a large part of Ireland.

But a majority north and south now support the partition. We even voted to give up our constitutional claims.

Denerick

Fiatach wrote: »

The six counties does not constitute a majority considering a foreign government drew the boundary creating this 'majority'. Woke up? Looks like you lay down in 1998 im afraid. Your point does not change the fact the border was maintained and defended by British troops occupying a large part of Ireland.

With regards to the sectarian headcount that led to the six county statelet, this is something I cannot deny... But that was 90 odd years ago. The facts on the ground and which actually matter is that an entity known as 'Northern Ireland' exists and has done for a long enough period of time that makes the historical grievance entirely irrelevant. I could wax lyrical about the historical injustice of the northern Belgians forced to coexist in a federal state with a feckless southern minority, but I won't. You see, its irrelevant. Its not a military occupation when a majority consents to occupation and when the minority are guaranteed political rights and even guaranteed a mechanism to secure their seperation from the 'occupier'.

TheInquisitor

Is it a bird , is it a plane, no wait its a 2 year old zombie thread!

kieranfitz

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Is it a bird , is it a plane, no wait its a 2 year old zombie thread an armchair provo!

FYP

Border-Rat

Tabnabs wrote: »

Just looking at the recent troubles in Georgia and the citizenship having to do a runner in advance of Russian tanks, what if...

Ireland was invaded by UK/USA/France/Iceland/Russia/aliens and you were fast asleep in your bed at home. We have a small but determined military who fought valiantly and died brutally. Tanks, planes and artillery are pounding the towns and cities and it's time to go.

Where would you go and what would you take?

What's your escape plan?

I wouldn't go anywhere. I've seen half of what you listed before.

CamperMan

what does Ireland have that would make anyone want to invade it?


OP, cut back on the cheese ;-)

Fiatach

Nevore wrote: »

But a majority north and south now support the partition. We even voted to give up our constitutional claims.

The constitutional claims were worthless and the free state constitution is meaningless if the all Ireland Republic rose up and took precedence over the two states in Ireland which were designed by Britain.

Evade

Fiatach wrote: »

The constitutional claims were worthless and the free state constitution is meaningless if the all Ireland Republic rose up and took precedence over the two states in Ireland which were designed by Britain.

I too am in favour of the vocal minority rising up and imposing their will on the majority.

Sarcasm.

Fiatach

Evade wrote: »

I too am in favour of the vocal minority rising up and imposing their will on the majority.

Sarcasm.

The hoardes of plebs can't do it without a kick up the rear from the ''respectable minority''. 1916 was proof of that.

Denerick

Fiatach wrote: »

The hoardes of plebs can't do it without a kick up the rear from the ''respectable minority''. 1916 was proof of that.

Respectable minority? How about a fascist elite who place greater value over dead mythologised heroes (Pearse, Tone) than electoral democracy to the extent that it resembles a homoerotic cult. (Complete with virtuous heroes and pantomine national villains)

Irish Republicanism as you speak of it is dead, thankfully. The civilised world rejected militancy as an acceptable form of political dissent long ago (At least under a constitutional system that permits consensual political change) Take the blinkers off.

Fiatach

Denerick wrote: »

Respectable minority? How about a fascist elite who place greater value over dead mythologised heroes (Pearse, Tone) than electoral democracy to the extent that it resembles a homoerotic cult. (Complete with virtuous heroes and pantomine national villains)

Irish Republicanism as you speak of it is dead, thankfully. The civilised world rejected militancy as an acceptable form of political dissent long ago (At least under a constitutional system that permits consensual political change) Take the blinkers off.

The ''respectable minority'' was coined by James Connolly describing the minority in each generation and urged further generations to do the same. If you describe the leaders of 1916 as a fascist elite well, thats your prerogative.

Denerick

Fiatach wrote: »

The ''respectable minority'' was coined by James Connolly describing the minority in each generation and urged further generations to do the same. If you describe the leaders of 1916 as a fascist elite well, thats your prerogative.

I know, a horrible legacy to leave a nation (Constant warfare and bitterness) Not only are the leaders of 1916 a bunch of fascist elitists, so are the provos throughout the Troubles and the current crop of dissident Republicans. They place the opinions of the dead over that of their countrymen, and call themselves patriots?

You know that Connolly once called Pearse a blithering idiot? Smart chap that one.

Fiatach

Denerick wrote: »

I know, a horrible legacy to leave a nation (Constant warfare and bitterness) Not only are the leaders of 1916 a bunch of fascist elitists, so are the provos throughout the Troubles and the current crop of dissident Republicans. They place the opinions of the dead over that of their countrymen, and call themselves patriots?

You know that Connolly once called Pearse a blithering idiot? Smart chap that one.

You can't blame people fighting for Irish freedom for creating war. Were would Ireland be if we were stuck with spineless people like you?

kieranfitz

Fiatach wrote: »

The constitutional claims were worthless and the free state constitution is meaningless if the all Ireland Republic rose up and took precedence over the two states in Ireland which were designed by Britain.

Hate to sh*t in your cornflakes kid but be very idea of Ireland as a single nation was invented by the English. Even under Brian Boru smaller kingships remained.

Fiatach

kieranfitz wrote: »

Hate to sh*t in your cornflakes kid but be very idea of Ireland as a single nation was invented by the English. Even under Brian Boru smaller kingships remained.

Hardly an English invention when it what the high kings of Ireland such as Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair aimed for.... England wanted Ireland as a enslaved nation under their rule not as a 'single nation'.

Denerick

Fiatach wrote: »

You can't blame people fighting for Irish freedom for creating war. Were would Ireland be if we were stuck with spineless people like you?

Read some political philosophy.

And I happen to believe that the spineless people are those who make excuses for people who murder mothers-of-ten and who blow up shopping centers.

Spineless indeed.

Fiatach

Denerick wrote: »

Read some political philosophy.

And I happen to believe that the spineless people are those who make excuses for people who murder mothers-of-ten and who blow up shopping centers.

Spineless indeed.

Pearse and Connolly who you call fascists will always be remembered for having a backbone. No-one will remember the likes of you. It doesn't matter how many children British spies have. Put away the violin.

Denerick

Fiatach wrote: »

Pearse and Connolly who you call fascists will always be remembered for having a backbone. No-one will remember the likes of you. It doesn't matter how many children British spies have. Put away the violin.

There is always someone wrong on the internet.

Sometimes the prudent thing to do is to just walk away.

Fiatach

Denerick wrote: »

There is always someone wrong on the internet.

Sometimes the prudent thing to do is to just walk away.

Away you go..

derry

Too late the invasion is full swing right now

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056954386

Derry

nc19

Kerry

Id go to kerry. No matter who invaded they wouldnt go near the county for fear of the locals

Markcheese

mighty mechanic wrote: »

Kerry

Id go to kerry. No matter who invaded they wouldnt go near the county for fear of the locals

North Kerry in particular... While south Kerry may be the home of strokes and cute hoorism, it's north Kerry where they take being belligerent, awkward and difficult (pretty much for the sake of it) to all time highs...

Mr. Tezza

Kerry is defo the place to go! I'd know I live there! I know of a few nice hiding spots!

I'd get my army reserve gear, get the lads together and go missing...

fergus1001

i for one would welcome our Russian overlords

AllthingsCP

fergus1001 wrote: »

i for one would welcome our Russian overlords

lol, You bump back a year long tread for that comment.

fergus1001

i think the whole Ukraine situation brought it back to the fore sorry though

AllthingsCP

fergus1001 wrote: »

i think the whole Ukraine situation brought it back to the fore sorry though

lol. I done it many a time!.

Just out of curiosity why would you welcome the Russian's would it not be in the fiber of ever man women and child to defend their country, home and family.{Not the Government}.

I mean the Defence Forces would quickly resort to hit and run tactics, Even after calling up 100,000 reserves to fill the ranks, PDF is organised to handle such a vast intake quickly because of its already commission and non-commission officers.

fergus1001

AllthingsCP wrote: »

lol. I done it many a time!.

Just out of curiosity why would you welcome the Russian's would it not be in the fiber of ever man women and child to defend their country, home and family.{Not the Government}.

I mean the Defence Forces would quickly resort to hit and run tactics, Even after calling up 100,000 reserves to fill the ranks, PDF is organised to handle such a vast intake quickly because of its already commission and non-commission officers.

Ireland has a tin can army compared to even Russia and we would be bludgeoned to death on the battlefield in a straight up fight since we have zero air cover for infantry and still have propeller planes as interceptors

our only hope would be to resort to an IRA style army and attack the wolverines and retreat back into the crowds and hope to instil enough fear in the enemy that they will pull out of Ireland

but then again we could just get nuked and thats the end of it really

and also the fact that we are a corrupt trash hole of a country so we would be right at home with the Russians with similar tendencies

AllthingsCP

fergus1001 wrote: »

Ireland has a tin can army compared to even Russia and we would be bludgeoned to death on the battlefield in a straight up fight since we have zero air cover for infantry and still have propeller planes as interceptors

our only hope would be to resort to an IRA style army and attack the wolverines and retreat back into the crowds and hope to instil enough fear in the enemy that they will pull out of Ireland

but then again we could just get nuked and thats the end of it really

and also the fact that we are a corrupt trash hole of a country so we would be right at home with the Russians with similar tendencies

Well Russia has a Military expenditure of about 90 Billion compared to Ireland 2 billion, So when you say even compared to Russia i'm not quite sure what your on about.

PDF would never try to fight the Russian in the open conflict, And the PDF would be quite good at gorilla warfare.

Nukes would never be used on us.

Are you speaking for yourself here, Because any Irish person i know would not refer to themselves as corrupt and a trash hole. Same to the Russian people.

Caveat_

It depends on what our invaders end game was. If they wanted to occupy and that was it, I would probably keep my head down and flee the country with my family as soon as it was safe.

It they wanted all out genocide. I'd take to the hills and try and leave the country via NI.

macnug

I think Ireland (republic) has gotten away with murder compared to other countries in regards to war over the past century. We are in a pretty strategic position between America and UK and yet the axis forces didn't invade. During the troubles we had what two bombing (although big ones) where as the UK mainland had dozens and the north must have had hundreds.

AllthingsCP

macnug wrote: »

I think Ireland (republic) has gotten away with murder compared to other countries in regards to war over the past century. We are in a pretty strategic position between America and UK and yet the axis forces didn't invade. During the troubles we had what two bombing (although big ones) where as the UK mainland had dozens and the north must have had hundreds.

Iceland would be a much better position.

TeaBagMania

diverdriver wrote: »

The Americans would sort us out quickly. Losing a war to America is the best way to get money off them.

Truer words have never been spoken