Vrt Calculator

Bendihorse

Is the online VRT Calculator calibrated to exactly the same system as the one used in the VRT Office, or is it possible that it might tell you one thing and VRT officer might tell you another?

biko

Afaik additional toys and things in the car can bring the VRT up but that calculator is pretty much correct.
Mind I haven't brought a car in myself, only from what I read in the forum.

Bendihorse

Its just that the car im looking at has the incorrect CO2 rating unput in the online system which gives a lower VRT rate... Im wondering would you still get stuck for the correct rate when you go in to the office or do they read off the same system as the one online?

-Chris-

AFAIK they take the CO2 figure off the V5/COC. The online calc's for guide purposes only.

Bendihorse

Thanks lads, sure if i get away with it then Happy Happy Days, if not, still happy days

andycool

I have a BMW 330CI Convertible with M tech Sports kit. Now when I am online the VRT site I can choose from CI E46 Sport or CI E46 Cabrio. What do it do as I dont think mine is the sport even though it has the M sport kit.

I would of thought that the M3 would be the sports version.

Anyone advise on this.

Thanks

Anan1

If yours is a cabriolet then you should pick cabrio.

unkel

andycool wrote: »

I have a BMW 330CI Convertible

Convertible is another word for cabrio!

bazz26

Don't the VRO check the chassis number of German premium cars with the manufacturer these days anyway to see what extras are on the car before arriving at the OMSA?

The VRT calculator would only give a ballpark figure.

mcwhirter

AudiChris wrote: »

AFAIK they take the CO2 figure off the V5/COC. The online calc's for guide purposes only.

Guide purposes:mad:
Do you work for them?, do not defend these incompetent fools.

-Chris-

mcwhirter wrote: »

Guide purposes:mad:
Do you work for them?, do not defend these incompetent fools.

I was originally gonna say "for entertainment purposes only", but I didn't think it was appropriate considering the large number of people who are finding this VRT change to be an expensive pain in the a$$.

Absolutely for guide purposes. Read the other million "I'm importing a car, listen to what happened to me..." threads to see how inaccurate the VRT calculator can be.

If your car is high spec, the calculator can't possibly take that into account.
If their OMSP is high based on outdated information and you can prove this by demonstrating the market to them, they may revise the figure down.

As for CO2 figures, they'll provide that information subject to E&OE, but they won't give you a lower VRT in the instance there's a mistake on the website. It's up to you to prove your CO2 figures.

mcwhirter

AudiChris wrote: »

I was originally gonna say "for entertainment purposes only", but I didn't think it was appropriate considering the large number of people who are finding this VRT change to be an expensive pain in the a$$.

Absolutely for guide purposes. Read the other million "I'm importing a car, listen to what happened to me..." threads to see how inaccurate the VRT calculator can be.

If your car is high spec, the calculator can't possibly take that into account.
If their OMSP is high based on outdated information and you can prove this by demonstrating the market to them, they may revise the figure down.

As for CO2 figures, they'll provide that information subject to E&OE, but they won't give you a lower VRT in the instance there's a mistake on the website. It's up to you to prove your CO2 figures.

It's the mistakes they make with the incorrect c02 ratings that bugs me. Who is inputting this data?, why can they not get it right. If this happened on the incorrect info on for example income tax, there would be an outcry:eek:

-Chris-

I don't agree that it's their responsibility to provide you with that information about a car.

Example: In April of this year, Audi made a change to the A4 2.0TDi that pushed it down from 20% to 16% VRT. If you want to import one of these, the revenue has no way of knowing which version of the car it is. You can't even tell from the date of registration, it could be a recently registered model that's been in stock for a few months.

They'd need to build a database of all versions of a car with start and end build-dates for each model, and you'd need to know the build date of the car you're looking at.

It's up to you to do your homework.

mcwhirter

AudiChris wrote: »

I don't agree that it's their responsibility to provide you with that information about a car.

Example: In April of this year, Audi made a change to the A4 2.0TDi that pushed it down from 20% to 16% VRT. If you want to import one of these, the revenue has no way of knowing which version of the car it is. You can't even tell from the date of registration, it could be a recently registered model that's been in stock for a few months.

They'd need to build a database of all versions of a car with start and end build-dates for each model, and you'd need to know the build date of the car you're looking at.

It's up to you to do your homework.

So how come on the UK V5, and on the DVLA site, they always have the correct information.
So who is responsible in Ireland for providing the correct information, is it the UK?

-Chris-

I have no experience of the UK, I do have experience of Ireland.

My experience says the ROS site isn't always right and that the onus is on the importer. This was the information I was trying to convey with my original reply.

Beyond that it's up to everyone else to work out what's fair or not, I have no intention of importing a car. Was only trying to help the OP.

And, yes, to the Irish revenue service the person responsible for supplying the information is the importer who will need documentation from the UK detailing the CO2 emissions.

bearback

bazz26 wrote: »

Don't the VRO check the chassis number of German premium cars with the manufacturer these days anyway to see what extras are on the car before arriving at the OMSA?

The VRT calculator would only give a ballpark figure.

I recently brought in a 2005 Audi A4 Avant and when I brought it to the Tallaght VRO they just verified the chassis no. They contacted me the following day with the VRT figure - €700 on top of the figure from the VRT calculator - based on the extras (SatNav+, leather, mfsw) fitted.
The guy there told me they do this for BMW and Audi.

-Chris-

As a follow up to this thread, and proof that the online calculator's only a guide (and that you not only can, but should, query your VRT amount payable), see article from today's Irish Times

The Irish Times wrote:

VRT on imports inflated

TIM O'BRIEN

IMPORTERS OF second-hand cars to the Republic are missing out on millions of euro each year in vehicle registration tax (VRT) reductions, figures obtained from the Revenue Commissioners have revealed.

Reductions in VRT are available to those who successfully appeal the level of VRT calculated by the Revenue Commissioners, which are based on what the Revenue calculates to be the "open market selling price" of the vehicle in the Republic.

Figures obtained from the Revenue Commissioners by The Irish Times reveal that in 2007, some 98,353 used vehicles were imported and registered in the State. Of these, just 540 cases appealed the VRT assessment.

But the figures also reveal that, of the 540 appeals, 409 were successful, indicating that the Revenue Commissioner's estimate of the open market selling price is significantly inflated.

The success rate of appeals would support research published in last week's Motors which showed that the Revenue's open market selling price estimate was consistently significantly higher than that of vehicles offered for sale on websites carzone.ie and autotrader.ie. Examples of cars for sale showed a Saab 9-3 Aero was overvalued by as much as €13,000; an Audi A4 by more than €7,000 and a VW Passat by almost €3,000.

Yet the number of importers appealing revenue valuations, at 540, represents just 1 per cent of the total number of used vehicles imported into the State in 2007. Given the figures, the collective overpayment by importers is likely to be in the millions.

In response to the situation, the Revenue Commissioners clarified their comments of last week to point out they request the advice of the motor industry here only for the open market selling price of new vehicles. A spokesman said price setting of new vehicles was nevertheless subject to Revenue approval.

In a statement, the Revenue Commissioners said: "In the case of . . . all used vehicles, open market selling prices are determined by Revenue on the basis of regular review of market values. Where Revenue receives information that a value may be inaccurate, the relevant value is reviewed."

One possible reason for the low take-up of the appeals process may be the requirement in Section 147 of the Finance Act 2001 that the VRT duty must be paid before the appeal.

Unless the duty is paid in the first place, the appeal commissioners have no powers to assess a claim for a reduction.

© 2008 The Irish Times