The Dole

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gcgirl wrote: »

does any one actually live in the real world here ? The dole que is getting bigger and it's not the peoples fault ! What about the likes of Tony O Reilly michael Smurfit Denis o Brien and so on who have made an obscene amount of money out of us irish and have not paid a cent towards tax ! Dunnestores have pulled out of the Newtown project and being from the garden county it will affect me ! People ordinary wil have to try and pay for their houses they wil be lucky if they can put food on the table !

Mus.. resist.. urge... to... insult....

Whose 'fault' is it then?

Have a source that those names you listed confirming that they haven't paid anything to the Revenue Commissioner? Besides personal tax - corporation tax on their businesses? Jobs they have created?

And I'm guessing it's Anthony O'Reilly's fault that people took out 100% mortgages during an asset bubble? Right...

Why do Irish people always try to blame others for their own misfortune? :rolleyes:

gcgirl

how many hacks has O Reilly giving the hevehove to ? I have a lot of respect for Sean Quinn and Michael o Leary both of them pay their taxes !

Économiste Monétaire

gcgirl wrote: »

how many hacks has O Reilly giving the hevehove to ? I have a lot of respect for Sean Quinn and Michael o Leary both of them pay their taxes !

Source that Anthony O'Reilly commits tax evasion or quit libellous statements.

suckslikeafox

gcgirl wrote: »

how many hacks has O Reilly giving the hevehove to ? I have a lot of respect for Sean Quinn and Michael o Leary both of them pay their taxes !

So O'Reilly should let his business suffer just to keep others in a job? and who says hes been letting people go?

gcgirl

All i am saying is there is a bigger picture out there and stop attacking the less well off ! Personally the less well off won't have the education it a cycle that goes down through generations !

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gcgirl wrote: »

All i am saying is there is a bigger picture out there and stop attacking the less well off ! Personally the less well off won't have the education it a cycle that goes down through generations !

So saying that people shouldn't be allowed to live on the dole for years is attacking the less well off as a whole?

gcgirl

o reilly outsources gets freelance journo's to write for him ! But this story is so 8/9 months old

suckslikeafox

gcgirl wrote: »

o reilly outsources gets freelance journo's to write for him ! But this story is so 8/9 months old

And whats wrong with that? Seems to me its a better way to run a newspaper, having lots of people that are experts in different areas and being able to call on any of them when the need comes rather than having a small group on non-specialists

Économiste Monétaire

gcgirl wrote: »

o reilly outsources gets freelance journo's to write for him ! But this story is so 8/9 months old

And this is relevant to the dole how exactly? This isn't a forum for personal agenda pushing against people like Anthony O'Reilly.

gcgirl

it's all about properly education people ! But our school system is crap ask any teacher ! 30 kids in a class your bound to get kids that slip trough the net that can't read or even write !

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Think before you type. It's just a long string of verbal diarrhoea.

it's all about properly education people !

Dear God.

Time Magazine

Back on topic, please.

Edit: UCD_Econ infracted.

ssmith6287

Where are the parents, Its always someone elses fault with this country. Surely when a kid is doing their homework, the parent can see that the child is struggling. Iff you cant get a job after a month on the dole, ye shud be forced to work for it, whether it be sweeping streets, or landscaping, or even community work. I hate the taught of not working. If you have an injury or dissability then fair enough thats different.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

gixerfixer wrote: »

agreed.why give them water:rolleyes:

Last time I checked, we don't pay residential water charges. One could also add medical care to that list, but people on the dole don't have to pay for that either.

DubArk

[As I was saying the dole to me is there for a very good reason, a stop gap till you get a job!! That is if there’s a job there for you, depending on your age, sex, education etc… and €200 a week if you had a mortgage, bills and other commitments that most Irish people bought into in the good times must be a nightmare.:eek::eek::eek:

I couldn’t live on it!
I have savings and a very low mortgage and no kids, car paid for.

Lots of people in the last six months have lost their jobs without ever thinking that this day would come again, I really feel sorry for them, if they had to depend on €200 a week!!

Yes there are people who take the piss but that doesn't mean that the dole should be reduced for the majority of people who would really need every single cent!

gcgirl

Thank god none of you's work in construction ! You's would have been going down to sign on today ask them how they feel ! Morgages and all to pay ! 200 a week with 1100 or 1200 to try pay off each month ! I feel sorry for families in that situation ! But i don't think some of you's think that way !

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gcgirl wrote: »

Thank god none of you's work in construction ! You's would have been going down to sign on today ask them how they feel ! Morgages and all to pay ! 200 a week with 1100 or 1200 to try pay off each month ! I feel sorry for families in that situation ! But i don't think some of you's think that way !

Right - so everyone in construction is on the dole now? You get interest support on jobseeker's allowance. People make choices in life - one of those is to take out a mortgage. People need to consider the job security in the industry where they work. The government shouldn't need to compensate for people's lack of ability to plan ahead.

ssmith6287

if you read my first post, you will see im talking about people who never had and dont have an intention of working. Like I said, theres jobs out there cleaning etc. Snobbery is a bitch. Id shovel ****e before id sign on

gcgirl

go get a massive life mate ! Or do you have one ! I don't think you do but i am not going to pick on some one is is in a difficult situation ! Not in my nature at all

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gcgirl wrote: »

go get a massive life mate ! Or do you have one ! I don't think you do

Ehh Mod - now that's abusive :rolleyes:

gcgirl

snob! Live in the real world and see whats it's like !

Thomas_S_Hunterson

gcgirl wrote: »

snob! Live in the real world and see whats it's like !

lol:pac:

From your posts, you come across as a bit of an idealist, so you could perhaps apply your own advice to yourself.

pau8lieskins

I've been on the Dole for the past 5 years with occasional jobs ranging from 2 weeks to 2 months I don't like it but its the best option I have as every job I've went for doesn't offer me a good enough deal to actually work either amount of hours or wage rate it always ends up less than the Dole

The last job i had was in Dunnes which i left after 2 months due to getting less money from them as i said to the manager when i was leaving "The social welfare is offering me more money"

I find that nowadays full time job is a rarity and you really need 2/3 part time jobs to get a decent weekly wage and finding one job is hard finding 2 even harder

ssmith6287

Erm im 21, work in an office on €300 a week, and have to do barwork aswell.. I am in the real world, just I appreciate money and how hard it is to make. how many people do 60 hours for €500, cnt imagine too many. When I was in college there were people who could collect a grant and dole at the same time, I couldn get either because my folks both work. Ive never asked them for money since i got my 1st job, I paid my way since i was 16 despite my mam not accepting money from me, its in an account for them for iff they need it. So dont get onto me about real world, im well aware

gcgirl

you know most of my friends and myself have worked through college some are teachers some are nurses and the odd few social workers we come from working class back grounds and have a fair idea of what problems people on lower incomes and how they suffer and i'm deffo not going to reduce what they struggle to live on !

ssmith6287

iff they werent so snobbish theres plenty of jobs. Fair enough people whov worked in factories for 40 years etc, theyve never done anything else. Iff these builders cared so much theyd go to college or further education, the grant is as much as the dole but at least theyre doing something. Beggars cant be choosers, If you can get a job, take it.

DubArk

pau8lieskins wrote: »

I've been on the Dole for the past 5 years with occasional jobs ranging from 2 weeks to 2 months I don't like it but its the best option I have as every job I've went for doesn't offer me a good enough deal to actually work either amount of hours or wage rate it always ends up less than the Dole

The last job i had was in Dunnes which i left after 2 months due to getting less money from them as i said to the manager when i was leaving "The social welfare is offering me more money"

I find that nowadays full time job is a rarity and you really need 2/3 part time jobs to get a decent weekly wage and finding one job is hard finding 2 even harder

Did you ever think if you had stayed with just one of the jobs and knuckled down for a while you might just of moved up the ladder and then earned more money like the rest of us? :rolleyes:

I didn't just walk into the job i have today, i worked bloody hard for it!
Im sure your manager must of been wonded be your witty remark!!

ssmith6287

Dunnes, Aldi, SuperValu etc have some of the best management courses going. Youd be crazy to leave a job to go on the dole

mickos

pau8lieskins wrote: »

The last job i had was in Dunnes which i left after 2 months due to getting less money from them as i said to the manager when i was leaving "The social welfare is offering me more money"

I taught if you quit a job you were not entitled to claim unemployment assistance. is this no longer the case?

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mickos wrote: »

I taught if you quit a job you were not entitled to claim unemployment assistance. is this no longer the case?

Correct, voluntarily leaving means no dole.