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Match Thread: Liverpool vs. Boro [All pre/during/post match discussion in here]

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  • #302
    zAbbo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    We've been over the rotation thing, Rafa consistently rotated, while Ferguson tried to keep a settled team for much of the title run in, even though the rotation averages around the same - both managers rotated in different ways.


  • #303
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,593 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    So it's a case of quote the stats when it suits you but then say ignore them because utds stats don't really mean much?


  • #304
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    copacetic wrote: »
    So it's a case of quote the stats when it suits you but then say ignore them because utds stats don't really mean much?

    Do you actually read posts? Read Zabbos post again.


  • #305
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,593 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    PHB wrote: »
    Do you actually read posts? Read Zabbos post again.

    I did read it, it says the opposite of what you said earlier, yet you thanked it? Do you even know what you think?

    You said that Liverpool changed too much earlier on in the season and you quoted stats that 'proved' that liverpool 'over-rotated' their side by having 0.5 more changes per game than Utd.

    Zabbo now says the opposite that Liverpool made too many changes throughout the season and that your stats are meaningless, Liverpool over-rotate because he says so.

    So which is it?


  • #306
    Dues Bellator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭Dues Bellator


    copacetic wrote: »
    I did read it, it says the opposite of what you said earlier, yet you thanked it? Do you even know what you think?

    You said that Liverpool changed too much earlier on in the season and you quoted stats that 'proved' that liverpool 'over-rotated' their side by having 0.5 more changes per game than Utd.

    Zabbo now says the opposite that Liverpool made too many changes throughout the season and that your stats are meaningless, Liverpool over-rotate because he says so.

    So which is it?
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  • #307
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    copacetic wrote: »
    I did read it, it says the opposite of what you said earlier, yet you thanked it? Do you even know what you think?

    You said that Liverpool changed too much earlier on in the season and you quoted stats that 'proved' that liverpool 'over-rotated' their side by having 0.5 more changes per game than Utd.

    Zabbo now says the opposite that Liverpool made too many changes throughout the season and that your stats are meaningless, Liverpool over-rotate because he says so.

    So which is it?

    Wow, that's impressive misunderstanding.
    You said that Liverpool changed too much earlier on in the season and you quoted stats that 'proved' that liverpool 'over-rotated' their side by having 0.5 more changes per game than Utd.

    Actually, the stats I pointed out said this,
    Liverpool made an average of 3.68 changes per game, whereas United made 3.16. Not a huge difference. However a column graph pointed to the fact that United make few changes before March 1st (2.54), and a lot more after (4.64). Basically Fergie keeps a similar team (a lot of the changes involved keeping Scholes/Carrick/Hargreaves/Andersen happy) until the end of the season when players are more knackered, and there are vital Champions league games, when he freshens things up..

    Benitez on the other hand was consistent: 3.72 before and 3.58 after. He started rotating in August and kept it up all season.

    To which I said I said
    Rafa does rotate more at the start of the season

    Rafa over-rotating is not a myth. Whether thats the cause of Liverpools failure is another question however.

    Rafa over-rotated at the start of the season. As evidenced by the 3.72 per game, compared to Uniteds 2.54.

    I thanked Zabbo's post because he stated
    We've been over the rotation thing, Rafa consistently rotated, while Ferguson tried to keep a settled team for much of the title run in, even though the rotation averages around the same - both managers rotated in different ways.

    How exactly is that saying the opposite?


  • #308
    Waster
    Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭Waster


    PHB wrote: »
    Well, to answer the question I'll drop some hints.

    Here's some stuff said in the article,


    But here's the big finale



    As Tomkins himself says


    I guess he's right?

    When I posted the Tomkins link I said
    "Here's a good article on Rafa and rotation from last year. Lots of figures, stats and research."
    Note last year. The article is dated 08 August 2007.


  • #309
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,593 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    PHB wrote: »
    Rafa over-rotated at the start of the season. As evidenced by the 3.72 per game, compared to Uniteds 2.54.

    I thanked Zabbo's post because he stated
    We've been over the rotation thing, Rafa consistently rotated, while Ferguson tried to keep a settled team for much of the title run in, even though the rotation averages around the same - both managers rotated in different ways.

    How exactly is that saying the opposite?

    I give up. You said liverpool 'over-rotated' at the start of the season, while utd didn't change as much. Zabbo says the opposite, that utd did less changing at the end of the season. Simple maths tells you either than Utd made massive per game changes throughout the middle of the season (over-rotation) to bring their average up so high or that one or both of you is totally wrong.


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