Babel -Vs- Nani

monkey9

Boggles wrote: »

Incorrect, Turning a game would be if Nani had come on and changed the complete complexion of it and United won.

Babel Bobbled a goal.

Yeah...........and it went in. Game over! Or are bobbles disallowed!

monkey9

Tauren wrote: »

I'd have a different opinion of turning a game. For me it isn't just about goals. van nistlerooy was not a player to turn a game imo - he relied on people like scholes to turn the game. To 'turn' a game, the player would need to change the direction of the game, the flow of the game. Hamann 'turned' the game against Milan in 05. Keane turned the game against Juve in 99. Babel came on as a sub into a team already dominating the game - he didn't turn anything. He had an impact.

Yeah, that's one way of turning a game, i agree. But when it's one all, the chance of Utd getting a smash and grab and Babel comes on creating chances and putting one away, that to me is also turning a game. If he hadn't scored, it'd be a draw. Not a Liverpool win.

gixerfixer

Boggles wrote: »

It was a question serious Alan, can you not leave the bullshít for 5 minutes.

IF your referring to the United match, he hardly turned it consider ing Liverpool were on top from the 15th minute.

Nonsense. Babel made a huge differnce when he came on. He made the Man U defence look like chumps rather than champs several times.

Mitch Connor

monkey9 wrote: »

Yeah...........and it went in. Game over! Or are bobbles disallowed!

No one is saying that. We are just saying Babel's introduction did not change the game, he did not turn the game. Liverpool were as dominant before as they were after his introduction. A goal does not automatically mean the scorer has 'turned' the game. Turning the game implies a momentum switch between the two sides, this did not happen on Saturday. Babel made an impact, but he didn't turn the game any more than Tevez did at Anfield last season, or O'Shea the season before.

Mitch Connor

gixerfixer wrote: »

Nonsense. Babel made a huge differnce when he came on. He made the Man U defence look like chumps rather than champs several times.

Yeah - cause we looked awesome in defence prior to his introduction.... United looked crap on Saturday, before Babel came on, just as much as they looked crap when he came on.

monkey9

Tauren wrote: »

No one is saying that. We are just saying Babel's introduction did not change the game, he did not turn the game. Liverpool were as dominant before as they were after his introduction. A goal does not automatically mean the scorer has 'turned' the game. Turning the game implies a momentum switch between the two sides, this did not happen on Saturday. Babel made an impact, but he didn't turn the game any more than Tevez did at Anfield last season, or O'Shea the season before.

He put Liverpool in front. Utd could no longer just sit back.

gixerfixer

Boggles wrote: »

I said Richardson is better than Babel.

When was the last time Liverpool turned a young forward player into a superstar and sold him for colossal money?

Ha Ha Superstar. Take your foot otta your mouth. Richardson is nowhere near Babel's class.

Sizzler

Worst thread EVER.

My da's better than your da :rolleyes:

Nalz

monkey9 wrote: »

Yeah...........and it went in. Game over! Or are bobbles disallowed!

Ah thats not what he's saying. People are using that goal as a gauge to say that Babel is better then Nani. THis is the last post i'm gonna put in this thread cause its just gotten completely out of hand and rubbish.

Please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please people can we cut out the bickering.

Mitch Connor

monkey9 wrote: »

Yeah, that's one way of turning a game, i agree. But when it's one all, the chance of Utd getting a smash and grab and Babel comes on creating chances and putting one away, that to me is also turning a game. If he hadn't scored, it'd be a draw. Not a Liverpool win.

Too simplistic a view imo.

So did Ronaldo turn the game at OT against Pompey last season - it was 0-0 til he got his goals... Did he 'turn' the game against Fulham with his last minute goal? No, the result changed because of him, but he didn't 'turn' the game as there was no shift in momentum as a result of what he did. He had an impact.

Neither O'Shea nor Tevez turned the game against Liverpool at Anfield in previous seasons, they simply scored winners. Not every match has a 'turning' moment, regardless of the score.

If United had been on top prior to his introduction, or had been getting back into the game, then I would agree with you. But United looked like going nowhere and Liverpool were on top. For me the two game turning moments were Carrick breaking a bone in his foot and then being replaced by Giggs - both incidents screwing Uniteds midfield and thus giving Liverpool all the ball in the middle.

PHB

Fair enough for comparing players, but if peoples opinions on the subject have actually changed due to one match, they need to seriously think about how they think about football.

Mitch Connor

monkey9 wrote: »

He put Liverpool in front. Utd could no longer just sit back.

Eh? Liverpool were dominating before he scored and after he scored. the game didn't change.

gixerfixer

Tauren wrote: »

Too simplistic a view imo.

So did Ronaldo turn the game at OT against Pompey last season - it was 0-0 til he got his goals... Did he 'turn' the game against Fulham with his last minute goal? No, the result changed because of him, but he didn't 'turn' the game as there was no shift in momentum as a result of what he did. He had an impact.

Neither O'Shea nor Tevez turned the game against Liverpool at Anfield in previous seasons, they simply scored winners. Not every match has a 'turning' moment, regardless of the score.

If United had been on top prior to his introduction, or had been getting back into the game, then I would agree with you. But United looked like going nowhere and Liverpool were on top. For me the two game turning moments were Carrick breaking a bone in his foot and then being replaced by Giggs - both incidents screwing Uniteds midfield and thus giving Liverpool all the ball in the middle.

For me the turning point was Liverpool saying **** this,there's no way this crowd are beating us again and playing better than Utd for the rest of the game. Imagine that.

monkey9

Trilla wrote: »

Ah thats not what he's saying. People are using that goal as a gauge to say that Babel is better then Nani. THis is the last post i'm gonna put in this thread cause its just gotten completely out of hand and rubbish.

Please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please people can we cut out the bickering.

No, you stop the bickering!!!

aidan24326

gixerfixer wrote: »

Nonsense. Babel made a huge differnce when he came on. He made the Man U defence look like chumps rather than champs several times.

Exaggeration. Babel did alright when he came on, but like others have said Liverpool were in control of the game at that stage anyway. He did nothing special, and his goal was a fortuitous one, scuffed it in.

Karmafaerie

Anfield.
8th of April 2008
Liverpool 2-2 Arsenal
Liverpool 3-3 Arsenal on aggeragate.
Arsenal all set to go through on away goals.
Babel comes on with 12 minutes to go (okay Liverpool were 3-2 up when he came on!)
Babel breaks through the defence before being pulled down.
Gerrard scores the penalty.
Nervey last few minutes ended after Babel breaks from his own half to slot past Almunia.
Babel changed the game
Liverpool won.
Champions League Semi final bound.

End of discussion.

monkey9

Tauren wrote: »

Too simplistic a view imo.

So did Ronaldo turn the game at OT against Pompey last season - it was 0-0 til he got his goals... Did he 'turn' the game against Fulham with his last minute goal? No, the result changed because of him, but he didn't 'turn' the game as there was no shift in momentum as a result of what he did. He had an impact.

Neither O'Shea nor Tevez turned the game against Liverpool at Anfield in previous seasons, they simply scored winners. Not every match has a 'turning' moment, regardless of the score.

If United had been on top prior to his introduction, or had been getting back into the game, then I would agree with you. But United looked like going nowhere and Liverpool were on top. For me the two game turning moments were Carrick breaking a bone in his foot and then being replaced by Giggs - both incidents screwing Uniteds midfield and thus giving Liverpool all the ball in the middle.

Well ,we can call Babel's introduction a turning point seeing as he won the game

monkey9

aidan24326 wrote: »

Exaggeration. Babel did alright when he came on, but like others have said Liverpool were in control of the game at that stage anyway. He did nothing special, and his goal was a fortuitous one, scuffed it in.

Goals are special!

Mitch Connor

gixerfixer wrote: »

For me the turning point was Liverpool saying **** this,there's no way this crowd are beating us again and playing better than Utd for the rest of the game. Imagine that.

So you agree Babel was not the turning point. Thanks.

If any Liveprool player turned the game, it was Mascherano. Beast of a player and great on the day. United were doing well in midfield til Carricks injury and Mascherano getting going.

Mitch Connor

monkey9 wrote: »

Well ,we can call Babel's introduction a turning point seeing as he won the game

You can, but i'll continue to disagree.

He did well when he came on. But there was nothing for him to turn - United were not the better side before he came on, we were not controlling the game. Our defence did not look capable of getting through the rest of the game without conceeding. We did not look like scoring. Babel made an impact. He did not dominate the game, he did not 'turn the tide' of continuous United attacks.

gixerfixer

aidan24326 wrote: »

Exaggeration. Babel did alright when he came on, but like others have said Liverpool were in control of the game at that stage anyway. He did nothing special, and his goal was a fortuitous one, scuffed it in.

This is such a silly arguement. He did nothing special? He came on and scored the winning goal. If theo walcott had come on for Arsenal and done what Babel did on Saturday (ran the United defence ragged) people would be raving about it. Anyways this will just go round and round and im done with it.

gixerfixer

Tauren wrote: »

So you agree Babel was not the turning point. Thanks.

If any Liveprool player turned the game, it was Mascherano. Beast of a player and great on the day. United were doing well in midfield til Carricks injury and Mascherano getting going.

Thats right..United lost because Carrick got injured nothing to do with Babel scoring a goal. Sure

monkey9

Tauren wrote: »

You can, but i'll continue to disagree.

He did well when he came on. But there was nothing for him to turn - United were not the better side before he came on, we were not controlling the game. Our defence did not look capable of getting through the rest of the game without conceeding. We did not look like scoring. Babel made an impact. He did not dominate the game, he did not 'turn the tide' of continuous United attacks.

There was a drawn match to turn. Listen, i get what you're saying, i do. But we'll be here all day with this.

Karmafaerie

What, nobody wants to argue the arsenal game!:D

monkey9

Karmafaerie wrote: »

What, nobody wants to argue the arsenal game!:D

The one that he turned??

Mitch Connor

monkey9 wrote: »

The one that he turned??

The arsenal game is an example of a game he turned, imo.

Karmafaerie

monkey9 wrote: »

The one that he turned??

Boogles wanted examples of babel turning games.
Stevie wonder couldn't argue with the arsenal game!:p

Smegball

Can't overly compare I think, Nani is an out and out winger, Babel is more of a withdrawn striker I think, both very very promising players though.

Boggles

They Can Both Píss Off!

DeadSkin

Boggles wrote: »

They Can Both Píss Off!

End of.
Someone lock the thread :pac:

Headshot

Boggles wrote: »

They Can Both Píss Off!

lolz i love being right

Mr Alan

thought babel was excellent last night myself!

redout

Both of them are useless.

Nothing more to add really.

Mr Alan

I honestly wouldn't write either of them off yet.
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Headshot

Mr Alan wrote: »

I honestly wouldn't write either of them off yet.
.

Nani is hardly starting or on the bench these days

says it all tbh

A7X

Headshot wrote: »

Nani is hardly starting or on the bench these days

says it all tbh

No way can he improve like that anyway.

Headshot

A7X wrote: »

No way can he improve like that anyway.

he must not be good enough or isnt doing it in training then

Mr. Frost

A7X wrote: »

No way can he improve like that anyway.

And the fact we bought Zoran Tosic says something. He's a year younger (I think) than Nani, or are they the same age? Anyway, Nani's got more competition now so next season he'll need to make the step up, after that...he'll only ever be a bit player.

I think Babel's a really good player. Riera is uselss imo. Would rather Babel any day. Bit of a headless chicken at times but, he's dangerous.

Mr Alan

ok then, i'm not gonna write babel off, you's can write off Nani all you want & add him to the ****e buys by Ferguson list!

Mr Alan

Mr. Frost wrote: »

Riera is uselss imo.

is that a joke?

Riera is an excellent player.

Headshot

Mr Alan wrote: »

ok then, i'm not gonna write babel off, you's can write off Nani all you want & add him to the ****e buys by Ferguson list!

I wont be biting Mr Alan

babel will be gone in summer anyway

watch this space

Mr Alan wrote: »

is that a joke?

Riera is an excellent player.

have to agree with Mr Alan here
great player

monkey9

Ok, so we're agreed, Babel is better than Nani??? Yessssssssssss!!! Liverpool fans win again. Ok, close thread now!

Xavi6

Mr Alan wrote: »

is that a joke?

Riera is an excellent player.

Indeed. I'll never forgive Pearce for not signing him permanently.

Sibierski on the wing FFS :mad: :rolleyes:

lint316

Riera is a top top player. Just that he's not that fit. There's still loads more to come from him in the premier league

Mr Alan

tbh, i wouldnt shed any tears if babel is flogged in the summer.

its his attitude more than his ability that irks me.

Boggles

Nani and Babel to City for 128 million in June. U heard it here first.

prendy

Mr Alan wrote: »

tbh, i wouldnt shed any tears if babel is flogged in the summer.

its his attitude more than his ability that irks me.

stevie G was full of praise for him on sly sports last night, he must be brilliant in training or something coz i honestly havent seen him play well in ages.

I am another who woulnt mind him leaving *if* we get back what we paid for him. Riera is a better option on the left.

Headshot

babel will go to arsenal and wenger will make him into a world beater :-)

CHD

Kalou > Babbel > Nani

Xavi6

CHD wrote: »

Kalou = Babbel = Nani

FYP

All equally crap.

As Phil Jupitus put it on the Times podcast this week, Kalou is a waste of a shirt.