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Playboy · 08-09-2008 11:14am

Da Bounca wrote: »

Beta is a test run of everything to come. Account creation included.
There are a tonne of changes to be made in order to link account creation to the game securely.

When hundreds of thousands of people all try to log in to the same site at the same time, guess what happens?? The site slows, and problems arise.
Everyone could have created accounts months in advance, but instead waited till the last second. Who's fault is that?

GOA are doing a great job, and until they actually owe anyone anything, I think some patience would be appreciated by them.

eh what are you smoking? Are you working for them? Pray tell me how that you can deduce from this mess that they are doing a great job lol.

Spear · 08-09-2008 11:16am

Da Bounca wrote: »

Everyone could have created accounts months in advance, but instead waited till the last second. Who's fault is that?

GOA's actually, they wrongly told everyone that if they weren't a closed beta tester, then they needed a fresh account. This wasn't true, anyone who signed up to the site previously, only needed to add a key.

zekiel · 08-09-2008 11:18am

This thread should be locked.... Its diluted to the point of no return.

super_furry · 08-09-2008 11:20am

Well they are based in Dublin, wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility for some people on boards to be working for them.

Static M.e. · 08-09-2008 11:22am

zekiel wrote: »

This thread should be locked.... Its diluted to the point of no return.

Agreed.

Tusky · 08-09-2008 11:33am

Why should it be locked ? I think it should stay open until we are all in the beta. Its a good source of information.

humanji · 08-09-2008 11:50am

Da Bounca wrote: »

Beta is a test run of everything to come. Account creation included.
There are a tonne of changes to be made in order to link account creation to the game securely.

When hundreds of thousands of people all try to log in to the same site at the same time, guess what happens?? The site slows, and problems arise.
Everyone could have created accounts months in advance, but instead waited till the last second. Who's fault is that?

There aren't that many changes to be made (almost all of which have been made over the last few years while the game was in development), and again, the changes have nothing to do with the activation problems.

The activation server just had to log peoples registrations and validate them. After that, the information is sent to the game servers. But people didn't get that far. The registration servers went tits up. There was plenty of time before the beta went live to allow people to register and take the strain off the servers, but GOA didn't do that. Somehow, GOA felt that there'd be no problem. And they were wrong.

This is why it makes sense to compare to the US. GOA had to do the exact same thing the US counterparts had to do. And they didn't. And we have a cock up. As I said before, they should have tested the activation servers long before they tried testing the beta servers. With less time spent on beta testing you end up like Age Of Conan, with people still testing the game after launch.

Da Bounca wrote: »

GOA are doing a great job, and until they actually owe anyone anything, I think some patience would be appreciated by them.

No, they're not doing anything that even remotely looks like a good job. Of course patience would be appreciated by them. Nobody wants to be told that they're f*cking something up.

zekiel wrote: »

This thread should be locked.... Its diluted to the point of no return.

There's no point locking it as there's just going to be another thread opened with teh exact same content. This'll save the hassle. :d

Dcully · 08-09-2008 11:50am

Reading Da Bouncas posts suggests he/she works for GOA

Wreck · 08-09-2008 11:54am

Latest update is that a new code registration page will be up at 16.00 CET (15.00 Irish time).

Static M.e. · 08-09-2008 12:00pm

Tusky wrote: »

Why should it be locked ? I think it should stay open until we are all in the beta. Its a good source of information.

I don't see it as being a good source of information anymore, it was. Now its just people complaining and counter-complaining (if thats a word at all..). Which I dont find constructive

Whatever the issues are, nothing we do here will have any reflection on the outcome, so I don't see the point in disputing it.

Also the thread seems like its getting heated and if everyone is arguing all ready then I think its a bad start for what will be your guild / mates.

Maybe I just need to find a carebear server... and carebear boards...

Perhaps locking it would be a bit too much all right, I retract my initial statement about said locking

toxick · 08-09-2008 12:00pm

were are you getting the updates Wreck?

also http://onlinegamesareanichemarket.wordpress.com/ MArk jacobs blog, good read, seems like GOA CEO apolgised to mhtyic saying it was their fault for the cock up

toxick · 08-09-2008 12:01pm

Static M.e. wrote: »

I don't see it as being a good source of information anymore, it was. Now its just people complaining and counter-complaining (if thats a word at all..). Which I dont find constructive

Whatever the issues are, nothing we do here will have any reflection on the outcome, so I don't see the point in disputing it.

Also the thread seems like its getting heated and if everyone is arguing all ready then I think its a bad start for what will be your guild / mates.

Maybe I just need to find a carebear server... and carebear boards...

Perhaps locking it would be a bit too much all right, I retract my initial statement about said locking

its just a bit of banter... people like complaing, people like arguing.. its all a game in the end.

Tusky · 08-09-2008 12:04pm

Static M.e. wrote: »

I don't see it as being a good source of information anymore, it was. Now its just people complaining and counter-complaining (if thats a word at all..). Which I dont find constructive

Whatever the issues are, nothing we do here will have any reflection on the outcome, so I don't see the point in disputing it.

Also the thread seems like its getting heated and if everyone is arguing all ready then I think its a bad start for what will be your guild / mates.

Maybe I just need to find a carebear server... and carebear boards...

Perhaps locking it would be a bit too much all right, I retract my initial statement about said locking

Maybe someone should make a new thread purely for updates on the situation. We could keep all complaining, moaning & opinions away from the thread and use it purely for information.

Dcully · 08-09-2008 12:06pm

UPDATE!!

"As we told you in previous news, the account validation system has been taken offline while our technical teams work on it. A lot of work has been done and some of the hardware on the database server has been changed as well as a lot of software improvements and our teams are still working hard to prepare the systems.

As a result, we will launch a new code registration page today at 16:00 CET. This new page will feature a delay between registration and account validation but you will still receive a confirmation email within a few minutes of creating your account.

If you had already created an account yesterday and have a validation email then you will still be able to follow the link from that email after 16:00 today to validate your account, if you do not have an email then you should create a new account as described above.

Thank you for your patience."

Spear · 08-09-2008 12:06pm

toxick wrote: »

were are you getting the updates Wreck?

also http://onlinegamesareanichemarket.wordpress.com/ MArk jacobs blog, good read, seems like GOA CEO apolgised to mhtyic saying it was their fault for the cock up

The apology is up on war-europe.com a few items down from the top.

Playboy · 08-09-2008 12:07pm

Static M.e. wrote: »

I don't see it as being a good source of information anymore, it was. Now its just people complaining and counter-complaining (if thats a word at all..). Which I dont find constructive

Whatever the issues are, nothing we do here will have any reflection on the outcome, so I don't see the point in disputing it.

Also the thread seems like its getting heated and if everyone is arguing all ready then I think its a bad start for what will be your guild / mates.

Maybe I just need to find a carebear server... and carebear boards...

Perhaps locking it would be a bit too much all right, I retract my initial statement about said locking

Awww .. I'll be your carebear Stat

Tusky · 08-09-2008 12:08pm

Dcully wrote: »

UPDATE!!

"As we told you in previous news, the account validation system has been taken offline while our technical teams work on it. A lot of work has been done and some of the hardware on the database server has been changed as well as a lot of software improvements and our teams are still working hard to prepare the systems.

As a result, we will launch a new code registration page today at 16:00 CET. This new page will feature a delay between registration and account validation but you will still receive a confirmation email within a few minutes of creating your account.

If you had already created an account yesterday and have a validation email then you will still be able to follow the link from that email after 16:00 today to validate your account, if you do not have an email then you should create a new account as described above.

Thank you for your patience."

16:00...blah. So theres no point trying to register before 16:00 then ?

toxick · 08-09-2008 12:08pm

Spear wrote: »

The apology is up on war-europe.com a few items down from the top.

i cant even access their site, due to it being a flash site

Dcully · 08-09-2008 12:09pm

Ive started a new thread on updates lads,lets try keep updates in there and other chat out of it

Rev Hellfire · 08-09-2008 12:10pm

There's nothing here to warrant locking the thread.
Nor is a thread going off-topic a bit deal in my book.

humanji · 08-09-2008 1:09pm

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

There's nothing here to warrant locking the thread.
Nor is a thread going off-topic a bit deal in my book.

Well at the risk of dragging the thread further off topic, how come your profile doesn't say you're a Warhammer Mod when you are?

Blowfish · 08-09-2008 1:14pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

So what you want is the same level of service for Beta testers as for the full game? You do understand why they are Beta testing right? Ignoring the US, they more then likely have very good staff and a good infrastructure. Look at it this way, if this happens on launch day I would cancel the account and never look back as they are hopeless at their job. But its not launch day and they are trying to get rid of the major bugs.

Do you not think this should have been done earlier in the beta process though? Do you think they will genuinely be able to sort out all of the problems in a week?

Rev Hellfire · 08-09-2008 1:19pm

humanji wrote: »

Well at the risk of dragging the thread further off topic, how come your profile doesn't say you're a Warhammer Mod when you are?

I have an evil twin...

toxick · 08-09-2008 1:32pm

just a question, but what type of abuse did GOA get on WHA forums? i see some posts by officals saying that the abuse was uncalled for ect.. like ya kinda worrying when people take it to the limit of giving death threats to this misshap.. ya im annoyed but far from death threats :P

Spear · 08-09-2008 1:35pm

toxick wrote: »

just a question, but what type of abuse did GOA get on WHA forums? i see some posts by officals saying that the abuse was uncalled for ect.. like ya kinda worrying when people take it to the limit of giving death threats to this misshap.. ya im annoyed but far from death threats :P

Here's a quick example.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76706

Asking where they live and others demanding they be set on fire.

Dcully · 08-09-2008 1:35pm

I reckon Mythic will ensure GOA get their act together.
Im sure they realise a new MMO needs Europe to succeed and cant just rely on US to make them profitable.
Ive every confidence Mythic just wont stand by and let it continue to be a disaster.
Im pretty sure the CEO announcement was because of a major rollicking from Mythic.

toxick · 08-09-2008 1:40pm

Dcully wrote: »

Im pretty sure the CEO announcement was because of a major rollicking from Mythic.

Exactly.. i say mythic aint taking any **** from GOA and making sure they are up to speed with everything, with passed expierances from DAoC... more then likely GOA pulled some massive strings to get this, and are probably on thin ice

humanji · 08-09-2008 1:46pm

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

I have an evil twin...

:eek:

Spear wrote: »

Here's a quick example.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76706

Asking where they live and others demanding they be set on fire.

Dear lord. Some people take things a little too seriously. The only reason I'm pissed off is that instead of getting to play it yesterday, I had nothing to do but watch the A-Team for 7 hours. And they weren't even good episodes. They were from the last season. I f*cking hate Frankie Santana!!! :mad::mad::mad:

Dcully wrote: »

I reckon Mythic will ensure GOA get their act together.
Im sure they realise a new MMO needs Europe to succeed and cant just rely on US to make them profitable.
Ive every confidence Mythic just wont stand by and let it continue to be a disaster.
Im pretty sure the CEO announcement was because of a major rollicking from Mythic.

I say GOA are on very thin ice at the moment with Mythic. So we may get really great customer service when the game goes live because they'll want to be on Mythics good side from now on.

super_furry · 08-09-2008 1:47pm

The only reason GOA are even involved is because they were fortunate enough to sign a deal with Mythic, before EA bought Mythic out. If the developers had have been able to hang of for a few more weeks without putting pen to paper, there wouldn't be this divisive mess.

Maximilian · 08-09-2008 2:23pm

toxick wrote: »

They should have opened up the registeration a long time ago, not yesterday at 12.30 am. Everyone knew there was going to be problems, and what is even more dissapointing its nerly 24 hours later and still the problem is not sorted. No one knows whats happening GOA arent communicating with the player base, that is what im annoyed at. I dont care tha we cant get in, cause i epxtected it being a past constumer of GOA, and knowing that with such a large player base, this thing would happening

What i am annoyed at is the lack of cummonication coming from GOA exsplaining to us what is happening. Not epxecting this to happen, and have some sort of backup plan to put into action and to relise that opening up the registration and servers at the same time is stupid. It just means that there will be less people on Beta and then people will be trinkling trough the registration at a slow pace, filling the servers at a slow base.

Yes it is a Beta, yes it is there to test. But Registration isnt part of the testing, Mhytic are doing it right, opening up the reigistration way befor opening up the servers, so now there player base gets to actual test the game, and what i can see from them is they found a good amount of bugs that they applied hotfixes to.

No the testing is for the game, if i wanted to test if firefox f5 key is function i would of applied for the firefox beta testing. Like i said befor, its a simple the registration isnt part of the testing, they should of had it sorted a long time ago.

i would be more patienct if i knew what is happening, GOA has completly left us in the blank here, and i think that is not right, that is why im frustrated, that is why im annoyed.

And the thing is, these issues wont be sorted for the early-start/launch they will continue to expand and more problems will arise.

Who says the account page isn't part of the testing? Why not? Seems integral to the game system as a whole.

I know everyone seems to be having a go at GOA but to be fair, I suspect at least some of the problems have been beyond their control. I wonder how much of the current problems are actually EA/Mythic's fault. For example, EA Store didn't send beta codes out until yesterday I think it was. So even if the account page was open ages ago, I'd say there still would have been an overload.

Anyway, I think people should cut GOA some slack while this is still in beta. They seem to be eager to please, judging from the messages from them this morning. Making up for past wrongs no doubt. I can understand how people who just want to play are frustrated but a lot of the complaining really is over the top. I mean assuming they do what they say, then the Europe beta has successfully sorted out the registration issues and otherwise delayed people playing what, 48 hours? And all this just beta play, which will be wiped in 2 weeks anyway. Really not the end of the world.

BKtje · 08-09-2008 2:38pm

For example, EA Store didn't send beta codes out until yesterday I think it was. So even if the account page was open ages ago, I'd say there still would have been an overload.

I got mine very early saturday morning.

I'm fairly pleased with the information they've given and if they are not telling porkies. My earlier thoughts in this thread seem to be waaay of the mark for which i'm very happy.

humanji · 08-09-2008 3:47pm

Maximilian wrote: »

Who says the account page isn't part of the testing? Why not? Seems integral to the game system as a whole.

Because you don't stress test two things at the same time. It's like going into your leaving cert exams and being handed your English and your Math paper at the same time. If you muck up one and have to keep going over it, you're going to have no time left to do the other. It's a much better idea to do one test and then when that's finished, do the other.

Maximilian wrote: »

I know everyone seems to be having a go at GOA but to be fair, I suspect at least some of the problems have been beyond their control. I wonder how much of the current problems are actually EA/Mythic's fault. For example, EA Store didn't send beta codes out until yesterday I think it was. So even if the account page was open ages ago, I'd say there still would have been an overload.

Anyway, I think people should cut GOA some slack while this is still in beta. They seem to be eager to please, judging from the messages from them this morning. Making up for past wrongs no doubt. I can understand how people who just want to play are frustrated but a lot of the complaining really is over the top. I mean assuming they do what they say, then the Europe beta has successfully sorted out the registration issues and otherwise delayed people playing what, 48 hours? And all this just beta play, which will be wiped in 2 weeks anyway. Really not the end of the world.

And although it's annoying to not be playing the game, the real point is that the game needs to be tested for bugs and to be stress tested. The less time there is to test it, the less bugs will be found and the shoddier the release.

As I keep pointing out, AoC is the perfect example. It was a good concept destroyed by too many bugs and lack of development time. Everybody wants the end product to be fantastic (well except WoW fanboys, but nuts to them!

), and that's what I want most. When I start up a new character I don't want to have to deal with a load of niggling little bugs.

Funky · 08-09-2008 3:57pm

humanji wrote: »

And although it's annoying to not be playing the game, the real point is that the game needs to be tested for bugs and to be stress tested. The less time there is to test it, the less bugs will be found and the shoddier the release.

As I keep pointing out, AoC is the perfect example. It was a good concept destroyed by too many bugs and lack of development time. Everybody wants the end product to be fantastic (well except WoW fanboys, but nuts to them! ), and that's what I want most. When I start up a new character I don't want to have to deal with a load of niggling little bugs.

you can't compare AoC and WAR. AoC you couldn't get outside of tortage in closed or open beta(well i think they let people out on the last day for the FFA pvp day but that was a bit of a joke), they didn't EVER lift beta NDAs, they had a 1/5th of a game made and they hid the fact that the rest was incomplete until everyone bought it.

WAR had a long closed beta, just because the open beta is short doesn't mean it hasn't been in testing. Also the NDA has been lifted, the entire 1-40 has been played by many people.

I don't know what the devs are thinking but from what I can see open beta is purely a stress test(of all the different parts websites/signups/server stability etc.) rather than a gameplay test. And saying you don't stress test two things at the same time is absurd. You can't stress test a server without already having the website gone through it in a short space of time...

Maximilian · 08-09-2008 4:03pm

humanji wrote: »

Because you don't stress test two things at the same time. It's like going into your leaving cert exams and being handed your English and your Math paper at the same time. If you muck up one and have to keep going over it, you're going to have no time left to do the other. It's a much better idea to do one test and then when that's finished, do the other.

And although it's annoying to not be playing the game, the real point is that the game needs to be tested for bugs and to be stress tested. The less time there is to test it, the less bugs will be found and the shoddier the release.

As I keep pointing out, AoC is the perfect example. It was a good concept destroyed by too many bugs and lack of development time. Everybody wants the end product to be fantastic (well except WoW fanboys, but nuts to them! ), and that's what I want most. When I start up a new character I don't want to have to deal with a load of niggling little bugs.

I can't see why testing multiple elements simultaneously is not possible or even problematic. I don't mean to be argumentative but your analogy is a bad one. This is nothing at all like being given two exams at once. This is more like 30 people getting a different exam at once, except the there was a problem at the printers and 29 people didn't get their papers.

The US part of the beta has already yielded bug-fixes etc. I don't think this delay is in anyway significant. This is not in anyway like AoC at all. We're talking 24 hours into the bloody thing here.

The game has not launched people! Stop complaining as though it has.

humanji · 08-09-2008 4:06pm

Funky wrote: »

you can't compare AoC and WAR. AoC you couldn't get outside of tortage in closed or open beta(well i think they let people out on the last day for the FFA pvp day but that was a bit of a joke), they didn't EVER lift beta NDAs, they had a 1/5th of a game made and they hid the fact that the rest was incomplete until everyone bought it.

WAR had a long closed beta, just because the open beta is short doesn't mean it hasn't been in testing. Also the NDA has been lifted, the entire 1-40 has been played by many people.

I don't know what the devs are thinking but from what I can see open beta is purely a stress test(of all the different parts websites/signups/server stability etc.) rather than a gameplay test. And saying you don't stress test two things at the same time is absurd. You can't stress test a server without already having the website gone through it in a short space of time...

The point of the AoC reference is to show that releasing a game full of bugs will end up biting you on the ass. There's already been loads of bugs already found from the US beta, which, thankfully, won't be there on release.

And to explain the double testing in simple terms:

You have a game to be released in one months time. You need to stress test the activation server and stress test the game server. Which is better:

a) You test the activation early in the month, allowing you to make adjustments, fix problems and leaving you plenty of time to deal with problems arising from the game server test, or

b) Wait til the end of the month and do both at the same time?

GOA chose option b, and as a result the time left to find bugs is reduced (especially since it was the weekend which most people will have off work/school and will be able to test all day long).

Can you honestly say it's better to rush everything through in the last minute than to give yourself plenty of time to do it right?

And again, nobody is complaining about the launch. People are complaining about GOA.

Funky · 08-09-2008 4:13pm

well fair enough you have valid points if the actual launch fails, but i don't think you can say that it will with any certainty just from the last couple of days

humanji · 08-09-2008 4:44pm

Oh, I'm not saying it will be. I'm just saying that they're giving themselves no margin for error if something goes wrong, which would be disastrous for them if something does.

dlofnep · 08-09-2008 4:48pm

Has anyone played it? If so, is it any good?

WAR open beta download available!

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