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Is it just me that can get my head around it ?

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    #32
    Eoin
    Registered Users Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    ronnie3585 wrote: »
    Another one; http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/528/M5-replica/1122426/
    the M6 wheels are gash to say the least. The look great on a true M6 but they make the above look like a drug dealers or a rapper car.

    There's just so much wrong with that car. The front bumper is still the standard M-Tech one not the M5 one, so it's not even a complete job.

    I suppose at least it doesn't have the side grills that were never on the e39 M5 that many "replicas" have.


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    #33
    Anan1
    Registered Users Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    eoin_s wrote: »
    For a start "mutton dressed as lamb" means something older trying to look younger, so not really an apt expression.
    I think you get the meaning.
    eoin_s wrote: »
    It seems that BMW really get the brunt of a lot of hatred in this forum. I bet most people wouldn't have a problem with an Alfa 156 1.6 with Sportivo trim or a C class with AMG kit, but once you get that dreaded BMW badge with an M-tech kit and an engine a "miserly" 2 litres, the sneering begins. It's getting very old.
    I've just read through this thread again, and I still have no idea where you get this idea?
    eoin_s wrote: »
    Yes - it's ridiculous to have a 525 badged as an M5, not many people will disagree. To equate that to a factory supplied trim level is pretty sad, and just reeks of inverted snobbery.
    They're essentially the same thing, eoin_s - an attempt to make the car look like something it's not. If one is ridiculous than both are. I'm sorry if this fact upsets you, but there you go.


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    #34
    Eoin
    Registered Users Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Anan1 wrote: »
    They're essentially the same thing, eoin_s - an attempt to make the car look like something it's not. If one is ridiculous than both are. I'm sorry if this fact upsets you, but there you go.

    It's hardly "fact" - it's your opinion, and no doubt others' too - but still not a fact. We're clearly not going to agree on anything here, if you don't think there's a big difference between a 525 badged as an M5, and a factory supplied trim level. It's like saying the Boxter is not a real porsche, just because it isn't a 911.


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    #35
    r3nu4l
    Registered Users Posts: 17,399 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    My own view is that if a car comes from the 'M' people (geddit?) at BMW, then it's a genuine M car, regardless of if it's a diesel or petrol, once it rolls out of the BMW factory with an M badge, then it's an M car. Whether that is merely a marketing tool that devalues the BMW M class of cars as a whole is for another thread.

    There is no comparison to the above situation and some plonker buying a few M parts and sticking them on his BMW to make it look like an M car.

    my 2c.

    EDIT: On the contrary, I don't think BMW gets a hard time on these forums...try being a FIAT owner, then you'll know all about a hard time :D


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    #36
    Fey!
    Registered Users Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭Fey!


    Why is it that when these people spend all that money making M5 and M3 replicas, the one thing none of them ever replace is the interior rear view mirror? It is the single biggest giveaway, as most BMWs have a rectangular one, even on the M-packs, whilst the true M's have an oval one!


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    #37
    MarkN
    Registered Users Posts: 4,197 ✭✭✭MarkN


    No, an M car has an M engine. An M badge - is just trim.

    I own an M sport, I don't think it's an M car. I wanted the wheels, the big chunky steering wheel, the interior trim (don't like wood thanks!), the splitter and sides and the grey diffuser around the exhausts, that's why I went for an M sport.

    However, the idea on here from some people that an SE is a classier car is bull. Is a non S Porsche classier than an S? Is a Elegance Merc better than an Avantgarde? It's a matter of opinion but there's certainly nothing 'tacky' about an M sport model from the BMW factory. :confused:


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    #38
    Eoin
    Registered Users Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Fey! wrote: »
    Why is it that when these people spend all that money making M5 and M3 replicas, the one thing none of them ever replace is the interior rear view mirror? It is the single biggest giveaway, as most BMWs have a rectangular one, even on the M-packs, whilst the true M's have an oval one!

    That's a big give away if you know your cars, I'd say 90% of people wouldn't pick up on it though.


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    #39
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    I think you all get far too excited about this M replica thing! So what! I would rather see a BMW with a replica M kit done well than some fibre glass mess (designed by a 5 year old) stuck on it.
    Is an M badge really more offensive than an "FM105" (deliberately changed) sticker!! Have any of you changed the alloys on your car at any stage? Better a set of BMW wheels than some tacky chrome bling-bling Fox4 or other rubbish.
    It is probably a waste of money investment wise but if the owner enjoys it then let 'em at it.
    BMW & other manufacturers play on this as a marketing ploy themselves, why can't owners be allowed to do it themselves? I know some really clever people will reply that you cannot buy M parts without an M VIN number (which isn't true in reality), but BMW themselves have set up a "BMW Performance" range now where they sell big brake upgrade kits & sports sears, etc. for your 1 & 3 series.

    This is the 2nd or 3rd thread on this very item, get over it!!:D
    So what!


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    #40
    Anan1
    Registered Users Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    eoin_s wrote: »
    It's hardly "fact" - it's your opinion, and no doubt others' too - but still not a fact. We're clearly not going to agree on anything here, if you don't think there's a big difference between a 525 badged as an M5, and a factory supplied trim level.
    You're an ad-man's dream, eoin_s, do you know that?:D


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    #41
    r3nu4l
    Registered Users Posts: 17,399 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    Anan1 wrote: »
    You're an ad-man's dream, eoin_s, do you know that?:D

    That's immaterial to this thread though. I'd far rather something supplied by the factory than some hash job done by somebody else.

    At least the M-trim is exactly what it says it is. It doesn't pretend to be an M5. The car in the OP, does. Simple really.


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    #42
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Fey! wrote: »
    Why is it that when these people spend all that money making M5 and M3 replicas, the one thing none of them ever replace is the interior rear view mirror? It is the single biggest giveaway, as most BMWs have a rectangular one, even on the M-packs, whilst the true M's have an oval one!


    good grief - we're down to interior mirrors now???:o Jaybus............

    OTOH, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the fact that 'real' vs, er, 'unreal' :rolleyes:, is only available as an auto afaik................

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    #43
    Eoin
    Registered Users Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Anan1 wrote: »
    You're an ad-man's dream, eoin_s, do you know that?:D

    I see the M-Tech kit for what it is - a trim level. Quite simply, I much preferred the look of my car:

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    to this:

    CB4_1052066_1_300876.jpg

    I am under no illusions it's an M5, and I doubt anyone else is.


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    #44
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Anan1 wrote: »
    I think you get the meaning.
    I've just read through this thread again, and I still have no idea where you get this idea?
    They're essentially the same thing, eoin_s - an attempt to make the car look like something it's not. If one is ridiculous than both are. I'm sorry if this fact upsets you, but there you go.

    how is an m kit or an s line kit etc trying to make a car like something its not?

    maybe the point is that bmw dont differentiate their m cars enought (altho most enthusiasts can tell an m from an mtec from a mile off)

    i think it improves the look of the cars, a normal se 5 series doesnt interest me, the sport kitted one does, it improves the looks no end


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    #45
    ronnie3585
    Registered Users Posts: 6,675 ✭✭✭ronnie3585


    eoin_s wrote: »
    That's a big give away if you know your cars, I'd say 90% of people wouldn't pick up on it though.

    I think you have indirectly hit on the crux of this discussion. Only about 10% of people would be able to pick up on the details that reveal that a car is a real M3 or RS4 and not a replica. The other 90% don't know and don't give a sh*t what an M3/RS4 is. So why then waste your time and money trying to make a car out to be something it's not and trying to impress/fool the 10% of people who can spot a real M3 a mile away. Makes no sense:confused:


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    #46
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    I think the idea of M cars is that they are "Q" cars really :D
    In that they are not meant to be in your face, they have the power & there are small styling cues that indicate to those "in the know" that they are no ordinary car. People who make modifications to their cars to look like these serve two purposes:
    1. Keep owner happy, they would like to own an ///M car but their financial/situational circumstances they cannot.
    2. Make it difficult to spot the real ones from the bolt-on ones.


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    #47
    Anan1
    Registered Users Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    r3nu4l wrote: »
    At least the M-trim is exactly what it says it is. It doesn't pretend to be an M5. The car in the OP, does. Simple really.
    The whole point of an M-Pack is to make the car look more like an M-car - the hint is in the name.

    The bottom line is that you guys like your M-packs and the guy selling the car in the first post likes what he's done. How you can argue that his is ridiculous simply because it wasn't fitted in Munich is beyond me.


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    #48
    Eoin
    Registered Users Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Anan1 wrote: »
    The whole point of an M-Pack is to make the car look more like an M-car - the hint is in the name.

    The bottom line is that you guys like your M-packs and the guy selling the car in the first post likes what he's done. How you can argue that his is ridiculous simply because it wasn't fitted in Munich is beyond me.

    Again - the M5 is a specific model. M-tech is a trim level. A 520 with M-Tech trim is not trying to look like something else - it looks like what it is - a car that came from the factory like that.

    Would you not see the difference between a boxter that may share factory supplied styling with a 911, and a boxter with a 911 badge?


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    #49
    Anan1
    Registered Users Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    eoin_s wrote: »
    Again - the M5 is a specific model. M-tech is a trim level. A 520 with M-Tech trim is not trying to look like something else - it looks like what it is - a car that came from the factory like that.
    Absolute bollox, eoin. Without the M cars, there would be no M packs.
    eoin_s wrote: »
    Would you not see the difference between a boxter that may share factory supplied styling with a 911, and a boxter with a 911 badge?
    This is an irrelevant analogy. The car in the first post has been restyled to look like an M car, using parts that were supplied by the factory but not fitted by the factory. The only difference between that and cars with M packs is factory fitment.

    To brand the car in the ad as ridiculous while defending your M pack is badge snobbery, pure & simple.


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    #50
    Eoin
    Registered Users Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Ah, I give up - can't be arsed continuing this pointless debate.


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    #51
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    Anan1 wrote: »
    To brand the car in the ad as ridiculous while defending your M pack is badge snobbery, pure & simple.

    Advertising an M5 when it isn't an M5 is a lie. Advertising a 525 M-Sport is the truth. That's the difference. One seller is a liar the other is telling the truth. They are the facts of the matter.
    The M-tech kit is different to the real M3/5 anyway. Only slightly, but different none the less.


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    #52
    Anan1
    Registered Users Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Biro wrote: »
    Advertising an M5 when it isn't an M5 is a lie. Advertising a 525 M-Sport is the truth. That's the difference. One seller is a liar the other is telling the truth. They are the facts of the matter.
    Eh, the car in question's being advertised as a 525SE M5 replica. Where's the lie?


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    #53
    RedorDead
    Registered Users Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭RedorDead


    eoin_s wrote: »
    It seems that BMW really get the brunt of a lot of hatred in this forum. I bet most people wouldn't have a problem with an Alfa 156 1.6 with Sportivo trim or a C class with AMG kit, but once you get that dreaded BMW badge with an M-tech kit and an engine a "miserly" 2 litres, the sneering begins. It's getting very old.


    Untrue - people trying to pass off A4 TDI's as mighty RS4 TDI's also get laughed at in equal proportions. As a rule most people trying to pull wool over peoples eyes get sneered at.

    Nothing wrong with cars with M sports packs or AMG packs or S line kits but its when you start trying to imitate every detail of the M version or AMG or RS version right down to the finest detail when its mostly an entry level car that the owners get flamed.


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    #54
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Eh, the car in question's being advertised as a 525SE M5 replica. Where's the lie?

    That one is, I was thinking of another one.


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    Mac 3
    Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭Mac 3


    Just wondering and I'm open to correction here but was this (or something similar) for sale a few months ago in Portlaoise?

    The interior is what seems to stick out in my mind..


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    #56
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Absolute bollox, eoin. Without the M cars, there would be no M packs.
    This is an irrelevant analogy. The car in the first post has been restyled to look like an M car, using parts that were supplied by the factory but not fitted by the factory. The only difference between that and cars with M packs is factory fitment.

    To brand the car in the ad as ridiculous while defending your M pack is badge snobbery, pure & simple.

    most m kit cars wear their badge 520/530 etc the car in the op is wearing an m5 badge and has gone to the trouble of fitting a quad exhaust etc and m5 replica wheels, he is trying to make it look like something it isnt


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    #57
    Zonda999
    Registered Users Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    RedorDead wrote: »
    Untrue - people trying to pass off A4 TDI's as mighty RS4 TDI's also get laughed at in equal proportions.


    In fairness to audi, an A4 TDI with the s-line pack and the best wheels available would still look nothing like an RS4, i dont think.


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    #58
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    why would it look any less like an rs4 than an msport kitted 320d?


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