Undertaker's Mania Streak Ending

CMpunked · 05-09-2008 10:11pm #1

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that WWE has been discussing The Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak quite a bit in recent creative meetings. They are toying with the idea of having 'Taker's streak come to an end, but are in the midst of discussing who would be the best candidate to defeat him. Vince, at this point, feels that the streak should never end, however he is open to hearing ideas that would involve a superstar on the "rise" to be the one that defeats the dead man. Most creative members feel that an established star should NOT be the one that ends the streak, but rather a rising star that could benefit from the enormous rub. One wrestler talked about is Ted DiBiase, as Vince is very high on him and hopes to push him as the next Randy Orton. There has also been discussion of bringing in Ted DiBiase Sr, to work a possible angle with The Undertaker and DiBiase Jr, as The Million Dollar Man introduced 'Taker when he debuted.

This is obviously from wrestlezone, and if there is anything in this that is not true, point it out because i don't usually go on and read the reports.

ShawnRaven · 05-09-2008 10:18pm

Give it to Edge, it's the least he can do after he destroyed his main event credibility at the last PPV!

VR!

Bubs101 · 05-09-2008 10:22pm

I think if they want somebody on the rise, Morrison is the guy to go to. Has alot of experience with belts and could have a great match with him. It'll probably go to Punk if it does though

rovert · 05-09-2008 10:26pm

Cody or Ted, given the links Undetaker's early career and their fathers.

CMpunked · 05-09-2008 10:32pm

rovert wrote: »

Cody or Ted, given the links Undetaker's early career and their fathers.

I think thats what will win it for them, the relationship taker has with theyre fathers.
The family politics and all that is going to come into affect.

chopperbyrne · 05-09-2008 10:33pm

It probably won't be for another two Manias anyway so no real point suggesting people now as they might not be even with the company then or there could be a new breakout star.

rovert · 05-09-2008 10:36pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

I think thats what will win it for them, the relationship taker has with theyre fathers.
The family politics and all that is going to come into affect.

It has nothing to with politics or Taker's real life relationships. It has more to with playing retro storylines to play into the historic feeling around Wrestlemania.

CMpunked · 05-09-2008 10:37pm

chopperbyrne wrote: »

It probably won't be for another two Manias anyway so no real point suggesting people now as they might not be even with the company then or there could be a new breakout star.

That would make sense, but they must have their eye on someone if there really has been that much talk of it?

rovert · 05-09-2008 10:38pm

chopperbyrne wrote: »

It probably won't be for another two Manias anyway so no real point suggesting people now as they might not be even with the company then or there could be a new breakout star.

Like Ortiz :pac:

But you are right Taker's last match is ages away.

CMpunked · 05-09-2008 10:41pm

rovert wrote: »

It has nothing to with politics or Taker's real life relationships. It has more to with playing retro storylines to play into the historic feeling around Wrestlemania.

Its known that taker has been on about who he wants to end his streak, its been brought up before about kane and that.

But i think both points are right.

krudler · 05-09-2008 10:42pm

Edge should have ended it this year i was rooting for him the whole way through it, if they dont want an established star then its sort of throwing it away, Orton could have done it during the legend killer run, tbh I've never got the big deal about takers streak, its not like he actually beat these guys it was just decided he wasnt losing,and in fairness hes only had 4 good matches at wrestlemania, HHH, Edge, Orton and Batista, the rest were rubbish and the ones with Kane were mediocre at best

rovert · 05-09-2008 10:44pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Its known that taker has been on about who he wants to end his streak, its been brought up before about kane and that.

But i think both points are right.

When?

To some up my previous post it is more about lineage basically than the mad kind of politics.

CMpunked · 05-09-2008 10:49pm

rovert wrote: »

When?
.

KKV brought it up during one of the kane/bag posts. Think he said that it was said on the wrestling figs forum, but dont hold me to that.

rovert · 05-09-2008 10:53pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

KKV brought it up during one of the kane/bag posts. Think he said that it was said on the wrestling figs forum, but dont hold me to that.

I wont.

Here is a trivia note in regards to Wrestlemania XX which was in the Observer last week. John Cena was meant to get the Benoit push and title win at it originally.

Mr.Nice Guy · 05-09-2008 11:02pm

I think if it's going to go it should go to someone who has an impressive Wrestlemania streak of their own. I felt Edge was a great candidate but they blew that one at WM23. Cena was another contender as he had an undefeated Mania streak up until this year but that's now out the window.

I like the idea of Dibiase but to do it in the near future would be crazy. Ultimately I think Taker should work mid-card for future Manias and then if they decide to end the streak put him in the main event and end it with some style.

CMpunked · 05-09-2008 11:02pm

rovert wrote: »

Here is a trivia note in regards to Wrestlemania XX which was in the Observer last week. John Cena was meant to get the Benoit push and title win at it originally.

Strange that, means he wouldve obviously had to drop the us title.

Mad thinking how different things would be now if that had've happened.

rovert · 05-09-2008 11:06pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Strange that, means he wouldve obviously had to drop the us title.

Mad thinking how different things would be now if that had've happened.

Cena won it at Wrestlemania, dude.

HHH was the one who got the plan changed, saying he Cena wasnt ready.

CMpunked · 05-09-2008 11:15pm

rovert wrote: »

Cena won it at Wrestlemania, dude.

HHH was the one who got the plan changed, saying he Cena wasnt ready.

Dam, i am so tired tonight. my bad.

Id side with trips there, i dont think he wouldve been ready.

rovert · 05-09-2008 11:16pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Dam, i am so tired tonight. my bad.

Some Cena fan you are!!!

CMpunked · 05-09-2008 11:19pm

rovert wrote: »

Some Cena fan you are!!!

am i a cena fan now?

rovert · 05-09-2008 11:26pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Id side with trips there, i dont think he wouldve been ready.

Well he was more ready then than Punk is now.

06-09-2008 1:10pm

I believe Kane was supposed to end the streak at WrestleMania 21 or 22. I think it was 21. He was planning on retiring, so WWE proposed he end the streak. Kane was against the idea because he felt it wouldn't benefit either of them. The plan was dropped when he decided to stay with the company and not retire.

To be honest, I don't think anyone could benefit from taking the streak off Taker. Sure, it would be a huge deal on the night, and it would probably be a big deal for a few weeks, but thats all. It would be about as beneficial as brutally attacking and 'injuring' a main eventer like Triple H etc.

I think 'Taker should keep the streak. (Edge certainly shouldn't get it anyway, it would do him no favours nowadays).

Gosh darn.. I have a feeling a certain H might end it next year..

callaway92 · 06-09-2008 2:18pm

I think CM Punk will end it in 2010

CMpunked · 06-09-2008 2:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Gosh darn.. I have a feeling a certain H might end it next year..

Kinda make sense, they are on the same show and it'd be an obvious feud.
But creative will botch it. Thats my opinion, that creative will find some way to turn a golden opportunity into a golden goose crap!

callaway92 wrote: »

I think CM Punk will end it in 2010

Interesting idea, but why do you think that?

Mr.Nice Guy · 06-09-2008 3:31pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Kinda make sense, they are on the same show and it'd be an obvious feud.
But creative will botch it. Thats my opinion, that creative will find some way to turn a golden opportunity into a golden goose crap!

Triple H beating Taker for the streak? :eek: I would be absolutely disgusted if that happened. An established star like him doesn't need that kind of rub and he's already faced Taker at Mania before so if they wanted him to end it the time to do it was 2001.

Looking at the roster as it is I don't see any worthy candidates to end the streak. I do like the idea of doing something with Dibiase Jr over the streak but it would have to be 2-3 years from now and you'd have to see whether he is worthy of such a major win.

I'd be fine with Taker retiring with the streak personally. I think he's earned it.

06-09-2008 3:53pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

creative will find some way to turn a golden opportunity into a golden goose crap!

I really don't think it would be a golden opportunity by any stretch of the imagination to begin with.

CMpunked · 06-09-2008 3:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

:rolleyes: nice

*EDIT* I also believe creative has the ability to create goose crap with any given situation.

Excluding the current HBK/Jericho angle, but i put most of that down to the fact that they have been so heavily involved in its creation.

06-09-2008 4:28pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

:rolleyes: nice

I got a little confused when writing it. Thought you were asking why i thought Tiple H would beat Taker. Then i realised it was el Punko

CMpunked · 06-09-2008 4:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I got a little confused when writing it. Thought you were asking why i thought Tiple H would beat Taker. Then i realised it was el Punko

Ah, ok.

No worries bud

JP Liz · 08-09-2008 2:46pm

I think if Taker WM streak is ending it should be Edge or Orton who ends it

rovert · 08-09-2008 2:55pm

JP Liz wrote: »

I think if Taker WM streak is ending it should be Edge or Orton who ends it

Why they are established main eventers.

DinnyBatman · 08-09-2008 4:13pm

I think they should let the old dude keep the streak and go out in a ball of fire or lightning or whatever the props guys can come up with on the night:D

CMpunked · 08-09-2008 4:25pm

IF i was head of creative i would probably just have taker have his last match at mania against the two biggest stars of that time.

Put it for the title.
Have taker go over, win the match. Then at the end,
(when all the pyro and smoke is going on) have him either:

Lying on a casket, or in a casket with the belt, going up the ramp, being pulled along by the druids, to where the casket gets closed and is either lowered down or is set on fire.

Something a bit crazy like that. That then brings in a new belt design and lets taker leave with the streak, and the championship.

rovert · 08-09-2008 4:39pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

IF i was head of creative i would probably just have taker have his last match at mania against the two biggest stars of that time.

Why two?

grames_bond · 08-09-2008 4:44pm

they should keep charlie haas's gimmick and have him beat taker.....dressed as taker! then he can both get a push but "undertaker" still has a streak! :pac:

rovert · 08-09-2008 4:52pm

grames_bond wrote: »

they should keep charlie haas's gimmick and have him beat taker.....dressed as taker! then he can both get a push but "undertaker" still has a streak! :pac:

As it work so well with Lesley Nelson & Co. :P

Rjd2 · 08-09-2008 4:59pm

grames_bond wrote: »

they should keep charlie haas's gimmick and have him beat taker.....dressed as taker! then he can both get a push but "undertaker" still has a streak! :pac:

Sure why not go further and have Hornswoggle end it just for the reaction of the internet.How would VR feel seeing that as he hates them both:eek::p

mehfesto2 · 08-09-2008 5:02pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Then at the end,
(when all the pyro and smoke is going on) have him either:

Lying on a casket, or in a casket with the belt, going up the ramp, being pulled along by the druids, to where the casket gets closed and is either lowered down or is set on fire.

Something a bit crazy like that. That then brings in a new belt design and lets taker leave with the streak, and the championship.

I like that idea. Would be a good send off. He made an impressive enterance to the WWF and I think he deserves a nice, in-character exit to it too! Would sell buckets of DVDs too. It'd have a beginning, middle AND end!

And it would reduce the chance of him coming back to do spots. Hate when wrestlers do it, Austin etc.

Ruu_Old · 08-09-2008 5:02pm

Is there no babeh Undertaker that can carry on when he retires? Surely WWE can pull out something wacky like that.

edit: Ah hah! They should have a large egg with a baby Undertaker in it like the turkey gimmick a few years ago, that worked.

Dusty Rhodes, legend.

CMpunked · 08-09-2008 5:07pm

rovert wrote: »

Why two?

Well if they had one it could be predictable.

Like it has been for the past two years, if it was a three way at least it would add a little drama.

rovert · 08-09-2008 6:05pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Well if they had one it could be predictable.

Like it has been for the past two years, if it was a three way at least it would add a little drama.

One on one matches always perform better.

CMpunked · 08-09-2008 6:31pm

rovert wrote: »

One on one matches always perform better.

Not particularly.

In this case for undies(:p) last match, a triple threat could be a little more interesting than just a straight one on one.
Could add dimension, instead of just having it as a champion/challenge, it could be champion/challenger/feud etc etc.

ShawnRaven · 08-09-2008 9:00pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Not particularly.

They do at Mania though. I'm always left with a bad taste in my mouth when a Mania main event isn't a 1 on 1. Mania 2000 was the best example of this. It really should have been Rock/HHH. Foley and Slow just stunk up the joint for their parts, and Backlash 2000 was the proof.

Mania 20 was underwhelming. Everyone knew Benoit was going over at Mania at the time, so again, it would have been better to kill off the Shawn/Hunter feud after they bloodied each other up so badly at Rumble that there was no way they were going to top that (and in my opinion, they didn't, but Vince was trying, he was indeed trying!) and just focus on Hunter/Benoit.

VR!

CMpunked · 08-09-2008 9:26pm

validreasoning! wrote: »

They do at Mania though. I'm always left with a bad taste in my mouth when a Mania main event isn't a 1 on 1. Mania 2000 was the best example of this. It really should have been Rock/HHH. Foley and Slow just stunk up the joint for their parts, and Backlash 2000 was the proof.

Mania 20 was underwhelming. Everyone knew Benoit was going over at Mania at the time, so again, it would have been better to kill off the Shawn/Hunter feud after they bloodied each other up so badly at Rumble that there was no way they were going to top that (and in my opinion, they didn't, but Vince was trying, he was indeed trying!) and just focus on Hunter/Benoit.

VR!

I appreciate your input VR! and you do make a very, very compelling argument, ill give you that.

But think about it in the idea of it being takers match, the only match he has ever had that wasnt a one on one at mania was at mania 19.

I just thought, maybe it would need to be something different.

08-09-2008 9:32pm

validreasoning! wrote: »

Mania 20 was underwhelming. Everyone knew Benoit was going over at Mania at the time, so again, it would have been better to kill off the Shawn/Hunter feud after they bloodied each other up so badly at Rumble that there was no way they were going to top that (and in my opinion, they didn't, but Vince was trying, he was indeed trying!) and just focus on Hunter/Benoit.

VR!

I was just getting ready to post about what an amazing match i thought Mania XX's main event was..

I think everyone knew benoit was winning because of the (stupid) backlash advertising more so than anything else.

Undertaker's Mania Streak Ending

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