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Why can't people accept that I have lost my faith??
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Why can't atheists accept that I have lost my atheist faith?
It's been 27 years since I abandoned my atheism - yet when I post a testimony to answered prayer to encourage other Christians in the Christianity forum all I get is atheists wanting to argue about it.
How weird is that?
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"PDN", and others who are replying: The guy put up a genuine post about his concerns, giving his story as background. He can't understand why people can't accept his decisions.Why can't atheists accept that I have lost my atheist faith?
It's been 27 years since I abandoned my atheism - yet when I post a testimony to answered prayer to encourage other Christians in the Christianity forum all I get is atheists wanting to argue about it.
How weird is that?
As has been said by others, you need to back down, as some of you are coming across as sarcastic and agressive.(Kelly1, etc) This does not help your case, and god-loving individuals should not get agressive with a polite fellow asking a personal question online. He is not challenging anybody, he is not presenting a fake case to start up a ruckus.
The chap merely seems to be confused and is looking for answers to "why" they can't accept it, not the logistics or the semantics.
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Why can't atheists accept that I have lost my atheist faith?
It's been 27 years since I abandoned my atheism - yet when I post a testimony to answered prayer to encourage other Christians in the Christianity forum all I get is atheists wanting to argue about it.
How weird is that?
In a thread where someone is talking about their rejection of religion I think we have a place. Those of us who pursue you to badger you about atheism where it is inappropriate are wrong to do so in my opinion, but this thread is not one of those places.0 -
Why can't atheists accept that I have lost my atheist faith?
I dunno maybe cause there's no such thing.It's been 27 years since I abandoned my atheism - yet when I post a testimony to answered prayer to encourage other Christians in the Christianity forum all I get is atheists wanting to argue about it.
How weird is that?
Not very weird, we're just trying to encourage you for the love of FSM so see sense and stop wasting your minds
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CerebralCortex wrote: »I dunno maybe cause there's no such thing.
Not very weird, we're just trying to encourage you for the love of FSM so see sense and stop wasting your minds
Perhaps PDN shall one day be enlightened by the grace of His Noodley Appendage. We can only hope.0 -
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He doesn't. Such organisations claim to represent Him, but they are lying. Here's how God deals with His true church, in its local forms:Small point. It is a christianity forum not christian forum.
This is how it kind of worked with me. I was raised as a catholic. For various reasons I started to question a lot of the stuff I had been told.
I then fully went of the catholic church. Too much of the priests breaking
their own rules and raping kids for my liking. When you dismiss an entire church like I did, it raises some fundamental questions about what they were teaching. This led me down the path I am currently on, and very very happy about.
I understand that you will argue that they were wrong and what they were teaching was wrong, but it still raises questions. If they are so wrong why would god allow them to continue their untruth? Why would god allow an organisation that supposedly represents him on earth behave so badly? So in this way a church not only turned me off christianity but made me question the existence of god.
MrP
Ephesus
Revelation 2:4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.
Smyrna
10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Pergamos
14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. 15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.
Thyatira
20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
Sardis
“I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.
Philadelphia
10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
Laodicea
15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%202-3;&version=50;
Why Rome or its Orthodox sister thinks they would be permitted to exist in corruption for over a thousand years is beyond any defence. It is a blatant denial of the Bible. The Church Christ promised would not be defeated is not any one organisation, but all true believers in Christ through history.
When the local church becomes corrupt and refuses to repent, Christ terminates it. It may continue to profess His name, but He has disowned it. He no longer moves in it, but treats it like the rest of the world. His people are called to leave it and meet with one another elsewhere. They have done so from the earliest centuries AD.
They are without prestige and power and easily written off by historians of the corrupt church, but it is they to whom God has committed the gospel of His grace. They persevere in persecution, and the blood of the martyrs is seed for new generations of true Christians.
This is not to say Protestant/Evangelical churches do not face the same sanctions from Christ - many good churches in a generation or so go off the rails, imbibe heresy or condone sinful practices or just grow cold and refuse to repent. God leaves them, taking the faithful elsewhere. The true Church continues, while its local forms come and go.
Your experience was certainly off-putting of the gospel, since you assumed this was authentic Christianity. I'm glad to point out that it isn't.0 -
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Some people never miss an opportunity
Its not all about catholics my sensitive friend. Jehovahs Witnesses do it too, as do alot of denominations. Most people in this country relate to the catholic example though, which is why I'd use it. Obviously you disagree, as you do believe one should be part of your church to be a true christian. Just pointing out another example of Christ being in the heart and mind, not in the walls and pages of particular denominations. No offence should be taken. Just pointing out something that shows what Christ views things.0 -
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The "psychobabble" isn't all that complicated if you spend a few moments reading it -- as I said, it's a moment of uncommon clarity for Freud. All he's trying to do is to explain something that Noel, Wicknight and myself seem to feel is happening -- that non-catholics have a tendency to hit upon catholics more than the other way around.Why look for a complicated lot of psychobabble when Occam's razor would give you a much simpler explanation.
It's a straightforward explanation which explains why this is happening with a good degree of Occam's economy 0 -
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I think we agree that people of similar religious beliefs don't always get on very well -- I don't think it's all that juvenile to try to make a stab at understanding why this happens. BTW, exactly the same kind of thing happens elsewhere too; Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic come to mind.But while we're making juvenile claims
I'm certainly not afraid of standing up to the people behind the creationist movement and calling them what they are. And bearing in mind that a lot of them are extremely well-known and well-respected (at least within their religions) and not obviously short of cash, the idea that I'm somehow "picking on" them really does fall short of the truthI've observed you pick on creationists and christians an awful lot. 0 -
And bearing in mind that a lot of them are extremely well-known and well-respected (at least within their religions) and not obviously short of cash, the idea that I'm somehow "picking on" them really does fall short of the truth
Yet somehow it doesn't fall short of the truth if someone 'picks on' the Catholic Church which is extremely well-known, well-respected (at least by millions of its own adherents), and is extremely rich?0 -
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