Montenegro vs Ireland

leninbenjamin

corban wrote: »

did he do anything against georgia after the first 15 minutes?

in fairness he defended very well, his positioning was very good and he was always quick to close down and pressurise the opposition. the only downside was he clearly went to the Paul Scholes school of tackling.

leggo

Now correct me if I'm wrong but if we're playing a team that we shouldn't be worrying about then surely you wouldn't be happy with a one goal win or a draw?

I never said that I wouldn't be happy with a one goal win or draw. My point was that instead of treating this game like we're playing the Italians, we should be a bit more optimistic about our chances. And instead of worrying about how strong they are, look at our respective positives and see that this is a game we could take three points from and should take at least one.

corban

pesireland wrote: »

It think its great to have a buzz about Irish internationals again, it was a complete disaster under Staunton and i for one could have cared less, they were imbarresing to watch.

Trappa seems to have caught the imagination of the country and the whole country is behind the team again, and a spirit about the squad that i think has been missing for so long, as the team spirit was always our strong point.

I really looking forward to the game tonight and i think the lads can pull it off and get 6 pts from 6, to leave us in a good position.

Come On Ireland!!!

i agree about the buzz, its fantastic. i went to lansdowne and croker under kerr and stan and it was hard to watch/stomach....

i'm not saying trap will turn it around overnight but at least it looks like he's sending a more spirited team out on the pitch...also for the first time in a long time TACTICS are evident...

hope has returned....

corban

leninbenjamin wrote: »

in fairness he defended very well, his positioning was very good and he was always quick to close down and pressurise the opposition. the only downside was he clearly went to the Paul Scholes school of tackling.

maybe i'm being a small bit harsh.....but he seems to have tunnel vision and i've never seen him complete a pass over 5 yards....not counting crosses..

my opinion is based only on ireland performances...i dont pay any attention to the spl..

still, i hope he plays a blinder tonight and proves me wrong

herbieflowers

unless we lose tonight..."Trap out" etc!

pesireland

corban wrote: »

i agree about the buzz, its fantastic. i went to lansdowne and croker under kerr and stan and it was hard to watch/stomach....

i'm not saying trap will turn it around overnight but at least it looks like he's sending a more spirited team out on the pitch...also for the first time in a long time TACTICS are evident...

hope has returned....

LMAO can't wait to see our posts tomorrow

djpbarry

kenco wrote: »

Also interestingly they made the point that a lot of the Montenegro team dont play in conditions anywhere like they get at home.....

I was thinking that myself.

kenco wrote: »

Montenegro at home will be a banana skin for at least one of the teams in contention.

Already has been for Bulgaria; big opportunity for us to take an early advantage in the group.

leninbenjamin

corban wrote: »

maybe i'm being a small bit harsh.....but he seems to have tunnel vision and i've never seen him complete a pass over 5 yards....not counting crosses..

my opinion is based only on ireland performances...i dont pay any attention to the spl..

still, i hope he plays a blinder tonight and proves me wrong

no you're right, his passing and general ball retention still needs to improve a considerable amount. but under Trappa's sytem there's much more emphasis on the defensive side to his game than with Celtic, and i thought it worth mentioning that he did very well in the other aspects of his game.

eagle eye

leggo wrote: »

Forget about previous managers like Staunton and Kerr

I don't want to derail the thread but putting Brian Kerr's name in here like this is just not right and its sickens me. There is no comparison in the standard of football we played under these two managers.
In our World Cup Campaign under Brian Kerr we lost out to the team who topped their group in the opening round of the finals ahead of the eventual runners-up who were the other team that qualified from our group. A wonder goal from Thierry Henry ended with our only loss in the group. Of course then the game against Switzerland was poor enough also. And with these two results, unfortunate results imo, we ended up failing to qualify by one point.
Brian Kerr got a very raw deal from the FAI, and was further insulted by the selection of Steve Staunton as his replacement.
I am not comparing Brian Kerr to Trappatoni, Trap is the most expienced and successful Manager we have ever had but Brain Kerr is not a hopeless case like Steve Staunton either.

noodler

Agreed. Draws in Switz and Paris weren't the worst.

eagle eye

Xavi6 wrote: »

Now correct me if I'm wrong but if we're playing a team that we shouldn't be worrying about then surely you wouldn't be happy with a one goal win or a draw?

I'm very surprised that some people see this a being pretty much a gimme. Ireland have struggled against far worse teams and are hardly a team of world beaters themselves.

Wat?
When have we struggled against far worse teams excluding the Steve Staunton era of total disorganisation and hopelessness?

noodler

Macedonia, Iceland, Yougoslavia (not quite at that level I will grant you), Cyprus under kerr. Georgia and Albania under Kerr.

You want a bigger list? Theres a reason why they say we never win against anyone uner the San Marino's away from home.

noodler

That team sheet is still dependent on S.Reid passing a late fitness test BTW.

eagle eye

noodler wrote: »

Macedonia, Iceland, Yougoslavia (not quite at that level I will grant you), Cyprus under kerr. Georgia and Albania under Kerr.

You want a bigger list? Theres a reason why they say we never win against anyone uner the San Marino's away from home.

Oh I see, this is struggled as in did not post a big win. Winning the game does not count.
This is off topic anyways but just to remind you that Kerr took over the team after they had lost their two opening games and we drew with Albania who also drew at home with Switzerland and beat Russia in that campaign. We finished four points behind Switzerland in that campaign, so basically our loss to them under Mick McCarthy at home cost us qualification.

noodler

Jesus man did you see the Cyprus game under Kerr? They were all over us and missed a peno-you badly need to redefine your definition of struggled.

Anyway, we lsot to Macedonia, scraped past Georgia and drew in Albania.

I won't mention the Swiss and Israel but I wouldn't tank those teams too far ahead of Montenegro.

ntlbell

is there any news on S Reid being fit?

can't see anything

Necronomicon

Reid fit, team unchanged according to SSN.

eagle eye

noodler wrote: »

Jesus man did you see the Cyprus game under Kerr? .

I did, I also seen the Cyprus game under Staunton and the Italy game against Cyprus the other night.

Two teams struggled and came away with wins, one team got hammered.

corban

imo ireland under kerr were very amateurish, it got progressively worse under stan.....
but just cos stan was worse than kerr doesnt make him a good manager...

ireland had a couple of good results under kerr but it was in spite of kerr not because of him....

anyway i'm forgetting the past now...giving trap a fair go now...as i did with kerr and stan at first....

we are already looking more spirited and professional imo

dardoz

guys what channel is this on? Its not listed on entertainment.ie except for setanta repeating it at 10pm

ironictoaster

I just realised how much Traps English has improved since we first saw him..

The Volt

dardoz wrote: »

guys what channel is this on? Its not listed on entertainment.ie except for setanta repeating it at 10pm

RTE 2

eagle eye

Reid fit, same starting XI

LuckyLloyd

Oh dear - the white Jerseys are in play.

madds

Mightn't be the most exciting of results, but at the end of the campaign a 0-0 draw might look like a very, very good result here this evening. Fingers crossed we get at least that.

KevIRL

Is the RTE picture much smaller than usual for everyone?

The1337_Stephen

Yep, seems like that

LuckyLloyd

Montenegro looking lively from the off and causing some problems. Could be a bumpy ride...

Gary ITR

Feckin screen is annoying

LuckyLloyd

Reid is passing the ball well. Looking for the quick and direct ball into space.

Soby

Its full screen on Sentanta....Btw does the ball seem to be more of a balloon to anyone else...just seems to float up in the air

anonymous_joe

If only there was some way to combine Setanta's pitch with RTÉ's commentary...

Charlie

Soby wrote: »

Its full sreen on Sentanta....Btw does the ball seem to be more of a baloon to anyone else...just seems to float up in the air

Yeah, it looks like a Sunday league game that you're watching down in the bog somewhere. The ball seems to bobble everywhere, and it looks like the players are touching it with bricks for feet.

Charlie

anonymous_joe wrote: »

If only there was some way to combine Setanta's pitch with RTÉ's commentary...

Ah you can't beat a bit of aul Brian 'Sausage Rolls' Kerr.

The1337_Stephen

I'd rather sacrafice part of the screen then have to listen to the commentating ****e that comes out of setanta

Soby

The1337_Stephen wrote: »

I'd rather sacrafice part of the screen then have to listen to the commentating ****e that comes out of setanta

Are RTE really any better?

Vokes

Ref's having a good game so far.

LuckyLloyd

Soby wrote: »

Are RTE really any better?

Yes and easily imo.

juvenal

SofaK wrote: »

Ref's having a good game so far.

From our point of view ;-)

Dead balls and general delivery into the box needs to improve

anonymous_joe

charlie mchugh wrote: »

Ah you can't beat a bit of aul Brian 'Sausage Rolls' Kerr.

Hmmm. After 10 minutes I think you can.

pesireland

we started terrible imo, looked very nervous, game has settled now but they look very dangerous on the break.

Service to Keane, Doyle needs to improve alot

CiaranC

wish andy reid was playing. hunt/mcgeady look lost

The1337_Stephen

Has anyone else noticed that all the banners around the pitch are Irish sponsors?

shamblertine

Why are ireland so useless? Why is their work rate so bad? Why is their movement so bad? Why don't they get forward in numbers? And don't say its the humidity because they are as bad as this in every game. We all know the players aren't great but the real problem is the management team. We really need a new management team and soon to have any hope of qualifying for the world cup. Trap and Brady just aren't up to it and they are too old. We need a manager who isn't scared to get rid of the deadwood- and theres a lot in this Irish tream. We need a young manager who is ambitious and will play attacking football. Of course this will never happen so we can look forward to another world cup without Ireland.

Charlie

The1337_Stephen wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed that all the banners around the pitch are Irish sponsors?

Yeah this is usually the case when we are playing countries that are full of peasants. The ad boards are there by and large for the TV crowd.

AARRRGH

shamblertine wrote: »

Why are ireland so useless? Why is their work rate so bad? Why is their movement so bad? Why don't they get forward in numbers? And don't say its the humidity because they are as bad as this in every game. We all know the players aren't great but the real problem is the management team. We really need a new management team and soon to have any hope of qualifying for the world cup. Trap and Brady just aren't up to it and they are too old. We need a manager who isn't scared to get rid of the deadwood- and theres a lot in this Irish tream. We need a young manager who is ambitious and will play attacking football. Of course this will never happen so we can look forward to another world cup without Ireland.

Bring back Staunton!

CiaranC

oshea doing well

LuckyLloyd

CiaranC wrote: »

wish andy reid was playing. hunt/mcgeady look lost

In fairness to both, they are working very hard out there and providing a lot of help defensively. However both have been guilty of losing possession too easily and delivering poorly from setpieces.

Overall, we have gained an important foothold in the game have begun to look comfortable defensively (Kilbane's mistake as I type this aside :rolleyes:). The fact that Vucinevic has had to drop deeper and deeper to gain possession is telling.

The1337_Stephen

HANDBALL!!!!!!!

roryc

2nd hand ball denied ffs...