M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

boardsuser1

marno21 wrote: »

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/274948/budget-2018-high-hopes-for-limerick-cork-motorway-plan-boost.html

Exciting times

Would it take 3/4 years to build? i'd have thought longer given the cost.

€20M won't do a huge amount though, but of course it is better than nothing.

That road is now the most important upgrade needed in this country.

marno21

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Would it take 3/4 years to build? i'd have thought longer given the cost.

€20M won't do a huge amount though, but of course it is better than nothing.

That road is now the most important upgrade needed in this country.

If reactivated, the scheme will require €12-15m in its first 2 years of progression. This is why there's a lot of unhappiness as the 2 years will take 2 years no matter what and if the 12m was committed 2 years ago we'd be 2 years closer to construction.

It'll be a 3-4 year build depending on how much M40 is included.

boardsuser1

marno21 wrote: »

If reactivated, the scheme will require €12-15m in its first 2 years of progression. This is why there's a lot of unhappiness as the 2 years will take 2 years no matter what and if the 12m was committed 2 years ago we'd be 2 years closer to construction.

It'll be a 3-4 year build depending on how much M40 is included.

That's only a drop in the ocean of the government coffers, so i can understand the unhappiness.

By the M40 are we referring to the Northern Ring Road linking up with the South ring road?

marno21

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

That's only a drop in the ocean of the government coffers, so i can understand the unhappiness.

By the M40 are we referring to the Northern Ring Road linking up with the South ring road?

Yep, one is the western section from Curraheen to Killeens and the other is Killeens-north of Glanmire and down to Dunkettle along the M8

Isambard

my guess is the Western arm will never be built. From Kileens to Glanmire is an extension of the M20 in effect and makes sense as most traffic heads across the river from the N20 anyway. The tunnel interchange would need to be rebuilt too before this could be put into effect, which probably means the Eastern arm won't get built in the short or medium term.

Idbatterim

a suspected €450,000,000 increase for the welfare budget this year lads... priorities, priorities for government though :rolleyes::mad:

boardsuser1

Idbatterim wrote: »

a suspected €450,000,000 increase for the welfare budget this year lads... priorities, priorities for government though :rolleyes::mad:

Almost half the M20 shadowing the N20 right there in one budget.

veryangryman

Idbatterim wrote: »

a suspected €450,000,000 increase for the welfare budget this year lads... priorities, priorities for government though :rolleyes::mad:

Wins votes. Sadly not enough people give a crapp about Infrastructure

betistuc

And if we don't get the Rugby world cup, will the project be mothballed again?

Cookiemunster

betistuc wrote: »

And if we don't get the Rugby world cup, will the project be mothballed again?

They RWC is exactly 6 years away. This is very unlikely to be ready by then, even if we win the right to host the tournament.

boardsuser1

Cookiemunster wrote: »

They RWC is exactly 6 years away. This is very unlikely to be ready by then, even if we win the right to host the tournament.

Wouldn't it be pathetic if the RWC was the only reason they built the road, this is Ireland though :rolleyes:

Idbatterim

Almost half the M20 shadowing the N20 right there in one budget.

yeah so they get an extra E450,000,000 next year and every single year after that... :rolleyes: but cut MN and DU etc also to "save" pennies...

boardsuser1

Idbatterim wrote: »

yeah so they get an extra E450,000,000 next year and every single year after that... :rolleyes: but cut MN and DU etc also to "save" pennies...

I smell an election in 2018 :mad:

Idbatterim

this creates problems alright, as we are constantly now on election footing, the bribes for all , will be in every budget, as they dont know when the next one will be. Nothing is going to change here. Best case scenario that is realistic, FF and FG go into coalition. The way I see it, both will be very close seat count wise, SF dont want to go in and or even if they did, the other kingmakers wont go in with them either FF or FG...

BelfastVanMan

veryangryman wrote: »

Idbatterim wrote: »

a suspected €450,000,000 increase for the welfare budget this year lads... priorities, priorities for government though :rolleyes::mad:

Wins votes. Sadly not enough people give a crapp about Infrastructure

Sadly, some people don't seem to care ablut poverty, either..

grogi

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Sadly, some people don't seem to care ablut poverty, either..

Let's stay on topic...

Idbatterim

Sadly, some people don't seem to care ablut poverty, either..

I do, we have a world class welfare system, the road linking cork - limerick and dublins transport infrastructure are third world...

BelfastVanMan

Idbatterim wrote: »

Sadly, some people don't seem to care ablut poverty, either..

I do, we have a world class welfare system, the road linking cork - limerick and dublins transport infrastructure are third world...

So, then you understand that there are still people living in poverty, and that they need our help?
It's great to see the beginnings of a long-awaited return to road-building on an acceptable scale, but surely the eradication of poverty in one of the most socially and economically developed countries in the world should come first?

Sam Russell

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

So, then you understand that there are still people living in poverty, and that they need our help?
It's great to see the beginnings of a long-awaited return to road-building on an acceptable scale, but surely the eradication of poverty in one of the most socially and economically developed countries in the world should come first?

Mod; Can we keep political possibilities for the politics forum, and stick to discussing the road construction possibilities.

AugustusMinimus

Isambard wrote: »

my guess is the Western arm will never be built. From Kileens to Glanmire is an extension of the M20 in effect and makes sense as most traffic heads across the river from the N20 anyway. The tunnel interchange would need to be rebuilt too before this could be put into effect, which probably means the Eastern arm won't get built in the short or medium term.

Western arm will get built eventually. Could be 15 years though. It will take a lot of pressure off the tunnel.

I would think that the full M20 M40 junction will get built. This was the proposed junction.



In addition, I think the next bit of the N40 west will be built as the next junction provides access to Apple.

grogi

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Western arm will get built eventually. Could be 15 years though. It will take a lot of pressure off the tunnel.

I would think that the full M20 M40 junction will get built. This was the proposed junction.

In addition, I think the next bit of the N40 west will be built as the next junction provides access to Apple.

Very unusual layout, with the third level bridge and traffic on the opposite sides on it... Was the projected weaving an issue or isn't there enough room to build regular 4-way cloveleaf?

AugustusMinimus

grogi wrote: »

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Western arm will get built eventually. Could be 15 years though. It will take a lot of pressure off the tunnel.

I would think that the full M20 M40 junction will get built. This was the proposed junction.

In addition, I think the next bit of the N40 west will be built as the next junction provides access to Apple.

Very unusual layout, with the third level bridge and traffic on the opposite sides on it... Was the projected weaving an issue or isn't there enough room to build regular 4-way cloveleaf?

Where do you see the weaving? This is a partially unrolled cloverleaf which is designed to have less weaving than a cloverleaf.

Cloverleafs have entranced followed by exits which is what causes weaving. This junction doesn’t.

grogi

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Where do you see the weaving? This is a partially unrolled cloverleaf which is designed to have less weaving than a cloverleaf.

Cloverleafs have entranced followed by exits which is what causes weaving. This junction doesn’t.

It's not there. That's why I asked if it would be an issue, so to mitigate more complex design was selected.

AugustusMinimus

grogi wrote: »

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Where do you see the weaving? This is a partially unrolled cloverleaf which is designed to have less weaving than a cloverleaf.

Cloverleafs have entranced followed by exits which is what causes weaving. This junction doesn’t.

It's not there. That's why I asked if it would be an issue, so to mitigate more complex design was selected.

Ah right. See what you mean. Cloverleafs as you say need a lot of space. This design IMO is suitable and will have a very high capacity. The land take isn’t huge either.

Limerick74

No mention of M20 in the budget!

marno21

Limerick74 wrote: »

No mention of M20 in the budget!

M20 would be mentioned in the expenditure announcement following the budget. This hasn't been announced yet

Donohue says there will be an increase in capital spending

veryangryman

marno21 wrote: »

M20 would be mentioned in the expenditure announcement following the budget. This hasn't been announced yet

Donohue says there will be an increase in capital spending

They mentioned the fekcing Sallins bypass...jaysus.

Albeit in confunction with Oberstown...

Isambard

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Western arm will get built eventually. Could be 15 years though. It will take a lot of pressure off the tunnel.

I would think that the full M20 M40 junction will get built. This was the proposed junction.



In addition, I think the next bit of the N40 west will be built as the next junction provides access to Apple.

my point was that you can't build the M40 to Killeens before you rebuild the tunnel interchange, otherwise much of the M20 traffic will end up at an already congested junction.

Aontachtoir

marno21 wrote: »

Limerick74 wrote: »

No mention of M20 in the budget!

M20 would be mentioned in the expenditure announcement following the budget. This hasn't been announced yet

Donohue says there will be an increase in capital spending

Who makes the expenditure announcement? Does it come from Donohue today or is it from the Dept of Transport / TII in a few weeks?

Leonard Hofstadter

marno21 wrote: »

Limerick74 wrote: »

No mention of M20 in the budget!

M20 would be mentioned in the expenditure announcement following the budget. This hasn't been announced yet

Donohue says there will be an increase in capital spending

Capital spending has been increased by €790 million for 2018, a very welcome and long overdue boost. No idea who's getting what though.