M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

marno21

Apologies, I wasn't thinking. There was no subsequent statement on expenditure because Pascal does both now unlike last year where Noonan did finance and Donohue did expenditure.

The total budget for the Department of Transport is up 12% on 2017 for 2018. The exact details of this will be announced tomorrow:

In terms of announcements, there are 4 things to keep an eye on:

* The results of the mid term review of the Capital plan - published tomorrow
* The new 10 year Capital plan - being published soon
* The new National Planning Framework and how this ties in with the new Capital Plan - published Q4 afaik.
* TII allocations for 2018 - breaks down into detail where the 2018 TII funding is going - published Dec/Jan.

sea12

marno21 wrote: »

Apologies, I wasn't thinking. There was no subsequent statement on expenditure because Pascal does both now unlike last year where Noonan did finance and Donohue did expenditure.

The total budget for the Department of Transport is up 12% on 2017 for 2018. The exact details of this will be announced tomorrow:

In terms of announcements, there are 4 things to keep an eye on:

* The results of the mid term review of the Capital plan - published tomorrow
* The new 10 year Capital plan - being published soon
* The new National Planning Framework and how this ties in with the new Capital Plan - published Q4 afaik.
* TII allocations for 2018 - breaks down into detail where the 2018 TII funding is going - published Dec/Jan.

According to ivan Yates this evening on radio there will be a big fanfare to announce capital infrastructure plan in November.,

road_high

sea12 wrote: »

According to ivan Yates this evening on radio there will be a big fanfare to announce capital infrastructure plan in November.,

Yes when they re-hash the same things for the 5th time with a few little frills thrown in- just build the effing infrastructure and get on with it without endless repeating "plans"..

Shurwhynot

Passed another fairly bad accident this morning just on the Charleville side of Buttevant. I think it was just after happening, as there were no guards or ambulances present, but plenty of people had stopped. 2 cars were badly damaged so would be surprised if noone was hurt

cjpm

You actually couldn't make this sh1t up.... :mad:

15m being spent over 4 years!!!!????

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/no-commitment-to-cork-limerick-m20-460786.html

The Minister for Stepaside Garda Station strikes again....

I actually can't believe it how incompetent this government is :mad:

marno21

cjpm wrote: »

You actually couldn't make this sh1t up.... :mad:

15m being spent over 4 years!!!!????

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/no-commitment-to-cork-limerick-m20-460786.html

The Minister for Stepaside Garda Station strikes again....

I actually can't believe it how incompetent this government is :mad:

There's nothing being made up, this is what's required over the next 2-3 years. The M20 needs to do through planning which will cost 15m over 2-3 years, then the big money is needed down the line.

What he has basically said is that the M20 has restarted and will begin the route selection and design stage in 2018. This is what we've been waiting to hear now with years..

cjpm

If they had any appetite to progress this scheme they could. You said yourself 2-3 years. So we get 4 from Ross to delay the inevitable another bit....

AugustusMinimus

Wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t include a junction for Buttevant. This will drag it out again for another few years by which time they could cancel it again.

There is the grand total of zero political will for this road to be built.

marno21

cjpm wrote: »

If they had any appetite to progress this scheme they could. You said yourself 2-3 years. So we get 4 from Ross to delay the inevitable another bit....

They don't yet know how the M20 will be funded hence the low funding amount. The full funding will likely come with Varadkar's Capital Plan in November

Isambard

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t include a junction for Buttevant. This will drag it out again for another few years by which time they could cancel it again.

There is the grand total of zero political will for this road to be built.

I can see how a junction for Buttevant is desired, because otherwise the residents of there would have to drive to Mallow and then back out again to the east to gain the M20 (or drive on to Rathduff or whereever that interchange is put). But this is only what the residents of North West Cork will have to do, the difference being the proximity of Buttevant to the M20.

Middle Man

€110m for walking and cycling? How much of that will actually go into much needed pedestrian improvements (new footpaths) and street lighting? How many roads will be needlessly downgraded for cycle routes?

foneill

marno21 wrote: »

There's nothing being made up, this is what's required over the next 2-3 years. The M20 needs to do through planning which will cost 15m over 2-3 years, then the big money is needed down the line.

What he has basically said is that the M20 has restarted and will begin the route selection and design stage in 2018. This is what we've been waiting to hear now with years..

This biggest joke of all is that the route selection and drawings have al been done already and were ready to go to planning until Varadkar pulled the plug on it. Everything has been done but they don't want to invest in the road incase we'll take away from Dublin. How many more RTA's need to happen on the existing Cork Limerick road before they wake up...

boardsuser1

Shane Ross is some langer!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/no-commitment-to-cork-limerick-m20-460786.html

marno21

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Shane Ross is some langer!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/no-commitment-to-cork-limerick-m20-460786.html

Donald Trump would call this fake news.

By that article, the money to design the M20 has been approved as part of the current Capital Plan

Leo's new Capital Plan will likely include the construction of the M20 via a finance mechanism yet to be decided.

By that article, the M20 has been approved and sunded until it gets to the CPO stage, which is what we wanted. The M20 needs no more than €12-15m this side of 2020.

A great day that's been dampened slightly by the "fake news".

By that article..

The M20 is back on the table and alive again.

boardsuser1

marno21 wrote: »

Donald Trump would call this fake news.

By that article, the money to design the M20 has been approved as part of the current Capital Plan

Leo's new Capital Plan will likely include the construction of the M20 via a finance mechanism yet to be decided.

By that article, the M20 has been approved and sunded until it gets to the CPO stage, which is what we wanted. The M20 needs no more than €12-15m this side of 2020.

A great day that's been dampened slightly by the "fake news".

By that article..

The M20 is back on the table and alive again.

Is European funding along with the government and a PPP possible to get it going?

Admittedly a PPP will result in tolls for life.

Is it possible to get all the CPO's done in a 2 year time frame?

marno21

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Is European funding along with the government and a PPP possible to get it going?

Admittedly a PPP will result in tolls for life.

Is it possible to get all the CPO's done in a 2 year time frame?

No word about funding yet.. too early.

The current tranche of PPPs have no tolls (M17, M11 etc)

CPOs are unclear too, may depend on route and objections

boardsuser1

marno21 wrote: »

No word about funding yet.. too early.

The current tranche of PPPs have no tolls (M17, M11 etc)

CPOs are unclear too, may depend on route and objections

Didn't realise the M17,M11, were PPP.

My fear is some stupid pen pusher will opt to branch off the M8.

That simply isn't viable, while it makes financial sense it isn't a practical solution.

Based on previous comments, CPO's look very messy and expensive.

Water John

A pen pusher don't decide these things. Politicians do, but not in an overt way.
If any FG politician in the area had real clout ATM, it would be largely as he/she says.

CPOs have a pretty standard format and time frame. See slight up date of CPOs for the N22 published recently.

boardsuser1

Water John wrote: »

A pen pusher don't decide these things. Politicians do, but not in an overt way.
If any FG politician in the area had real clout ATM, it would be largely as he/she says.

CPOs have a pretty standard format and time frame. See slight up date of CPOs for the N22 published recently.

A politician is an overrated pen pusher in disguise.

How Noonan refused to get this going when he was in charge of the state coffers i'll never know, even before he left ministerial office earlier this year

Water John

Well that tells you, who decides.

marno21

The TDs around Mallow and up the N20 corridor will not let the M8 spur idea fly. They would be hounded out of their seats if Mitchelstown got a third motorway link.

The M8 spur also won't get past the feasibility study stage no matter how much it turns Shane Ross on

Aontachtoir

marno21 wrote: »

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Shane Ross is some langer!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/no-commitment-to-cork-limerick-m20-460786.html

Donald Trump would call this fake news.

By that article, the money to design the M20 has been approved as part of the current Capital Plan

Leo's new Capital Plan will likely include the construction of the M20 via a finance mechanism yet to be decided.

By that article, the M20 has been approved and sunded until it gets to the CPO stage, which is what we wanted. The M20 needs no more than €12-15m this side of 2020.

A great day that's been dampened slightly by the "fake news".

By that article..

The M20 is back on the table and alive again.

Marno, your opinion is that this funding is meant to get the M20 all the way to ABP? Not for "pre-planning" things like updating traffic counts (which is where the last million euro dedicated to the M20 went)? It would be wonderful if that was the case.

marno21

Aontachtoir wrote: »

Marno, your opinion is that this funding is meant to get the M20 all the way to ABP? Not for "pre-planning" things like updating traffic counts (which is where the last million euro dedicated to the M20 went)? It would be wonderful if that was the case.

No, this money is for full planning and design. The pre planning total cost is €1m and will be finished by February. Down to proper business then

ELCAT2009

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/275875/full-speed-ahead-for-limerick-cork-m20-motorway.html

marno21

The day we've all been waiting for has finally come.. it's been a long barren few years but hopefully now it'll finally proceed when we have a Taoiseach in full support rather than a Taoiseach than complains that Cork people are getting too greedy.

The smell of Kenny and Noonan almost completely gone now and we can finally get on with this massive project. Hopefully it comes to fruition this time but we can at least see some progression now.

road_high

marno21 wrote: »

The day we've all been waiting for has finally come.. it's been a long barren few years but hopefully now it'll finally proceed when we have a Taoiseach in full support rather than a Taoiseach than complains that Cork people are getting too greedy.

The smell of Kenny and Noonan almost completely gone now and we can finally get on with this massive project. Hopefully it comes to fruition this time but we can at least see some progression now.

You'd have assumed Noonan would have been full square behind this. He really turned into a doddery ole ejet in his last few years in Finance, he was a lot worse than Kenny and glad he's been shifted aside now.

Reputable Rog

road_high wrote: »

You'd have assumed Noonan would have been full square behind this. He really turned into a doddery ole ejet in his last few years in Finance, he was a lot worse than Kenny and glad he's been shifted aside now.

Noonan's priority was a motorway back home to Loughill.

Copper_pipe

The Taoiseach added: “I feel that once planning permission is secured, the major costs occur in land purchase and construction. Those costs are unlikely to arise in the current capital plan to 2021.

So we won't see any tar being laid until 2021 at the earliest?

marno21

Copper_pipe wrote: »

The Taoiseach added: “I feel that once planning permission is secured, the major costs occur in land purchase and construction. Those costs are unlikely to arise in the current capital plan to 2021.

So we won't see any tar being laid until 2021 at the earliest?

CPO won't be starting until 2021 and construction can't start until 2022 earliest.

Just have to make sure that the project doesn't attract ****wits like the M3 etc and delay it even further

road_high

marno21 wrote: »

CPO won't be starting until 2021 and construction can't start until 2022 earliest.

Just have to make sure that the project doesn't attract ****wits like the M3 etc and delay it even further

This being Ireland it inevitably will...our planning system appears to entertain BS non stop