M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

Isambard

Marno has the plans I think so you've asked the right guy. I seem to remember that a parallel local road was planned and most of the current junctions eliminated.

marno21

20 hours later!

Attached is the M20 original plan for the area. All mainline junctions would be closed and replaced with new links to local roads around the area.

There would be no junctions between Rathduff (Grenagh Junction) and Blarney (existing N20 GSJ)

See attached in next post:

Isambard

I can see a white cat in the snow but no map

marno21

Now with added map hosted externally:



Works ok for me in original post but not when I load the thread in an incognito tab.

Isambard

I can confirm the markings and signage for the Waterloo turn are gone.

marno21

Isambard wrote: »

I can confirm the markings and signage for the Waterloo turn are gone.

Which to be fair, if a junction is proposed to be closed and there is good reason for it, it does make sense for new line markings to reflect this proposal

Thanks for the updates.

Isambard

interesting to see it's replacement on your plan, slightly to the North. I wonder what the non-motorway traffic will do? take the old road from Rathduff to the Commons Inn?


(assuming new plans are no different)

marno21

Isambard wrote: »

interesting to see it's replacement on your plan, slightly to the North. I wonder what the non-motorway traffic will do? take the old road from Rathduff to the Commons Inn?


(assuming new plans are no different)

I believe so, plan would be to use the old Mallow Road/a mixture of local routes in the area.

This issue would be non existant if the N20 was dualled from Rathduff to Cork as it was supposed to in the 1990s.

Isambard

our local bus, the 243 used the waterloo turning on the late Friday afternoon southbound service (possibly to pick up schoolkids , I don't know) I wonder which way that is going now. the local roads are not now suitable to serve Waterloo by bus.

Cork Trucker

Chaos is going to ensue

https://twitter.com/KENNYTCORK/status/1029379796739006464

marno21

Closed northbound at the dogging area

Google Maps now lists the Waterloo link road as closed until November 2018

JCX BXC

marno21 wrote: »

Closed northbound at the dogging area

Google Maps now lists the Waterloo link road as closed until November 2018

Wouldn't pay much heed, it lists Latoon bridge as still closed despite it having reopened over 2 months ago.

AugustusMinimus

marno21 wrote: »

Closed northbound at the dogging area

Google Maps now lists the Waterloo link road as closed until November 2018

I presume that the Waterloo Road was the alternative?

marno21

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

I presume that the Waterloo Road was the alternative?

Waterloo Road would be an alternative to escape the N20 early instead of slamming into the dead stop at the turn off for Bweeng where traffic is being diverted.

Isambard

there's been accidents at this junction before too. Roll on the M20

Cork Trucker

Isambard wrote: »

there's been accidents at this junction before too. Roll on the M20

Is it the right hand turn just before you come into Rathduff? The one that takes you back along the Old Mallow Road?

Cork Trucker

marno21 wrote: »

Closed northbound at the dogging area

Google Maps now lists the Waterloo link road as closed until November 2018

Is the dogging still going on since it was exposed?

no pun intended.

Probably a good idea to keep the junction closed, even if you block off the right hand turn you'll still get people who will do a U turn down the road to double back in a similar fashion to that of the Commons Road outside Topaz/McDonalds.

corinthion

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1029395085375533057

marno21

Looks like the northbound diversion is at the dogging spot for Bweeng and southbound is the old Mallow Road.

marno21

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Is the dogging still going on since it was exposed?

no pun intended.

Probably a good idea to keep the junction closed, even if you block off the right hand turn you'll still get people who will do a U turn down the road to double back in a similar fashion to that of the Commons Road outside Topaz/McDonalds.

No idea to be honest. Haven't heard much since the furore a few years ago.

All it shows is the fact that traffic on that road is beyond capacity and needs the M20 asap, otherwise it's just going to lead to repeated accidents.

corinthion

marno21 wrote: »

No idea to be honest. Haven't heard much since the furore a few years ago.

All it shows is the fact that traffic on that road is beyond capacity and needs the M20 asap, otherwise it's just going to lead to repeated accidents.

Hi Marno. is there any news or update at all as to where the m20 is at the moment

marno21

corinthion wrote: »

Hi Marno. is there any news or update at all as to where the m20 is at the moment

Of course, seeing as this is the thread after all

Limerick City and County Council, the lead authority for this scheme, issues a tender in April 2018 for engineering consultancy services for Phases 2/3/4 (Route Selection/Design/Statutory Process) for the scheme. This tender will be awarded in September and route selection work will begin then. Barring delay, route options will be published in 2019 and after an emerging preferred route is selected design, CPO and environmental assessment processes will begin.

I hope this time it's as fast as the last time. It took 18 months from day 1 to ABP submission in 2008-10 for this. I really hope it doesn't take 3/4 years this time around.

Shn99

marno21 wrote: »

Of course, seeing as this is the thread after all

Limerick City and County Council, the lead authority for this scheme, issues a tender in April 2018 for engineering consultancy services for Phases 2/3/4 (Route Selection/Design/Statutory Process) for the scheme. This tender will be awarded in September and route selection work will begin then. Barring delay, route options will be published in 2019 and after an emerging preferred route is selected design, CPO and environmental assessment processes will begin.

I hope this time it's as fast as the last time. It took 18 months from day 1 to ABP submission in 2008-10 for this. I really hope it doesn't take 3/4 years this time around.

Was route selection done back 2008?

marno21

Shn99 wrote: »

Was route selection done back 2008?

It was, but it has to be redone again as the data used back then is now out of date and appraisal of options back then is not in compliance with new DPER and DTTAS policies

Reputable Rog

marno21 wrote: »

No idea to be honest. Haven't heard much since the furore a few years ago.

All it shows is the fact that traffic on that road is beyond capacity and needs the M20 asap, otherwise it's just going to lead to repeated accidents.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/families-outraged-doggers-turn-popular-5867253.amp

Seems this David chap has a bit of knowledge of the peculiarities of Grenagh Services.
His story has a few holes in it, pardon the pun.

Isambard

I bet Neil Prendeville was outraged.

Cork Trucker

Have we another steering group on the horizon?

Jonathan Healy of Newstalk/RedFM organised it jointly as well.

Politicians are never far away where votes are concerned either.

Is the thing with the fire engine genuine?

The meeting heard from one resident near the Kiln Hill that a barrier constructed to block access to the Mallow Road had delayed a fire engine from reaching the scene of an accident near Rathduff yesterday afternoon

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Residents-insist-they-wont-back-down-in-row-over-Waterloo-junction-closure-da7126e8-31c7-4168-af81-1c2685bebd59-ds

AugustusMinimus

A 60 kph limit allied with traffic calming measures would be a much more sensible solution than just closing the junction.

marno21

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Have we another steering group on the horizon?

Jonathan Healy of Newstalk/RedFM organised it jointly as well.

Politicians are never far away where votes are concerned either.

Is the thing with the fire engine genuine?





https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Residents-insist-they-wont-back-down-in-row-over-Waterloo-junction-closure-da7126e8-31c7-4168-af81-1c2685bebd59-ds

At least this group have a point

The new Mallow Road was built through that area and all roads crossed bar the Station Rd in Blarney were turned into staggered junctions. They should have been bridged from day 1, and the M20 plan was to create an underpass at this location

The closure is basically being railroaded through with no alternative put in place. A simple compromise here would be to ban right runs from the N20 to the Waterloo Road, while maintaining left turns from the N20 and maintaining both left and right turns from the Waterloo Road onto the N20.

Cork Trucker

marno21 wrote: »

At least this group have a point

The new Mallow Road was built through that area and all roads crossed bar the Station Rd in Blarney were turned into staggered junctions. They should have been bridged from day 1, and the M20 plan was to create an underpass at this location

The closure is basically being railroaded through with no alternative put in place. A simple compromise here would be to ban right runs from the N20 to the Waterloo Road, while maintaining left turns from the N20 and maintaining both left and right turns from the Waterloo Road onto the N20.

There is a very valid point to it and I accept that.

I never knew this road before the new road was built, I would have been fairly young at the time.

As I mentioned the other night, from Rathduff right into the Commons bar there should be no right turns?

The right turn from the Waterloo junction onto the N20 itself can be a bit dodgy though.

As for turning left from the junction, better signage is needed if it does stay open, I can't see them inserting a filter lane with the M20 fast approaching.