M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

Leonard Hofstadter

Cork Trucker wrote: »

That's what i was gathering from it, why he couldn't say it in plain English i don't know.

Yes, I took his reply to mean that the M20 is Green proof, but other projects won't be. This would be consistent with what The Irish Times and The Business Post have been saying. I'm cautiously optimistic that I will see this road before I turn 40 (I'm 31 now) now.

PS: I'm given to understand that the 2:1 split on roads to public transport comes AFTER the road maintenance budget has been allocated. The PfG specifically uses the words 'new' and 'infrastructure' when it talked about this split on public transport to roads. It also says that the existing budget on maintenance will be unaffected.

That's why the FG TDs have been saying that new roads projects will still get done in this Government. The wording is very clever actually, far cleverer than I gave them credit for on the first reading of the PfG!

Cork Trucker

Sam Russell wrote: »

Because he is a politician, and one who failed to get re-elected.

Was it 2014 he stood for the European Parliament unsuccessfully? I’m curious to see will all 4 Cork City Greens retain their seats in 2024.

Cork Trucker

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

Yes, I took his reply to mean that the M20 is Green proof, but other projects won't be. This would be consistent with what The Irish Times and The Business Post have been saying. I'm cautiously optimistic that I will see this road before I turn 40 (I'm 31 now) now.

PS: I'm given to understand that the 2:1 split on roads to public transport comes AFTER the road maintenance budget has been allocated. The PfG specifically uses the words 'new' and 'infrastructure' when it talked about this split on public transport to roads. It also says that the existing budget on maintenance will be unaffected.

That's why the FG TDs have been saying that new roads projects will still get done in this Government. The wording is very clever actually, far cleverer than I gave them credit for on the first reading of the PfG!

I’d love to know was it something they had to back down on in order to gain other concessions. I’ve read those articles and if true, which not all tabloids are, I’d remain optimistic for now.

I hope you’re right about it being done in the next 10 years, Cork should also have Dunkettle and the M28 by then. The Northern Ring Road will be shelved along with Macroom to Ovens.

If Cork can’t get major road projects with a local Taoiseach and minister for public expenditure then we have no hope.

Reputable Rog

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I’d love to know was it something they had to back down on in order to gain other concessions. I’ve read those articles and if true, which not all tabloids are, I’d remain optimistic for now.

I hope you’re right about it being done in the next 10 years, Cork should also have Dunkettle and the M28 by then. The Northern Ring Road will be shelved along with Macroom to Ovens.

If Cork can’t get major road projects with a local Taoiseach and minister for public expenditure then we have no hope.

Limerick couldn’t get it with a Minister for Finance. Coveney did nothing for Cork during his time as Tanaiste, indeed was lucky to keep his seat, a lot of voters in his constituency seriously pissed off with the Dauphin.

Cork Trucker

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Limerick couldn’t get it with a Minister for Finance. Coveney did nothing for Cork during his time as Tanaiste, indeed was lucky to keep his seat, a lot of voters in his constituency seriously pissed off with the Dauphin.

Noonan was as big a Scrooge as you could get. Coveney has done feck all in his time as a politician and is now looking likely to me the next minister for justice. Imagine how his constituents will feel with the Taoiseach, minister for public expenditure and minister for justice all in the one constituency, there’ll be some seriously swelled heads.

Reputable Rog

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Noonan was as big a Scrooge as you could get. Coveney has done feck all in his time as a politician and is now looking likely to me the next minister for justice. Imagine how his constituents will feel with the Taoiseach, minister for public expenditure and minister for justice all in the one constituency, there’ll be some seriously swelled heads.

There won’t be three senior ministers in South Central.

Cork Trucker

Reputable Rog wrote: »

There won’t be three senior ministers in South Central.

Martin will get a ministry once December 2022 arrives. Him,McGrath & Coveney will all be at the cabinet table. They are all South Central.

Reputable Rog

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I think it would unfair on the rest of the country and leave a sour taste if there were to be 3 ministers in one constituency.
Cork people are insufferable enough and even more so on the southside😀.
Don’t forget all 3 of these idiots oppose the M28.

Isambard

that would be cork city people, Us North Cork People are just great

Cork Trucker

Isambard wrote: »

that would be cork city people, Us North Cork People are just great

Stanton might get a promotion by FG, i can't see young O'Connor at 22 being anything other than backbench. At 6' 7 he might attain the title of tallest TD, that's all.

Reputable Rog

Isambard wrote: »

that would be cork city people, Us North Cork People are just great

You’re just Kerry people really.

Reputable Rog

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Stanton might get a promotion by FG, i can't see young O'Connor at 22 being anything other than backbench. At 6' 7 he might attain the title of tallest TD, that's all.

What has Stanton ever done?

Cork Trucker

Reputable Rog wrote: »

What has Stanton ever done?

F**k all, hence how i can't understand how he was re-elected

Sam Russell

Mod: Can we stick with the motorway from Cork to Limerick and leave out the petty pokes at Cork people even if you are from Cork.

Reputable Rog

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/551655/breaking-green-party-say-limerick-to-cork-motorway-wont-go-ahead-within-five-years.html

That’s all folks

Cookiemunster

The Greens have said that no road project will be canned, but none will go to construction during the 5 year term of the government.
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1273608181776867328

Reputable Rog

Sam Russell wrote: »

Mod: Can we stick with the motorway from Cork to Limerick and leave out the petty pokes at Cork people even if you are from Cork.

Can you develop a sense of humour Sam. Thanks.

Cork Trucker

Reputable Rog wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/551655/breaking-green-party-say-limerick-to-cork-motorway-wont-go-ahead-within-five-years.html

That’s all folks

This new government isn’t even in place and already the setbacks begin

dzsfah2xoynme9

The Green Party are an absolute joke. This decision is disgraceful. How many more deaths will they have on their hands? What do they want us all to do? Cycle from Limerick to Cork. I thought FFG were bad but these shysters take the biscuit..

Kivaro

The amount of times that I saw traffic backed up for many kilometers due to various reasons on the main road between Ireland's 2nd and 3rd largest cities are numerous. It is happening on a daily basis I presume, with one of the reasons being a slow moving tractor that cannot be safely passed on one of the bottleneck sections. Can't blame the tractor driver; it's their road too.

So we have a situation of national commerce via trucks and other commercial vehicles, emergency vehicles, and general traffic crawling along due to the unsuitable situation of the Cork/Limerick road. If there was a study done on the pollutants pumped into the air and atmosphere due to these slow moving vehicles, I would hazard a guess that bottleneck pollution and the cost to the economy far exceeds the cost to build the M20 from Cork to Limerick.

This decision was inevitable though when there was a sniff of the Greens getting into power. They will be disastrous for the country, and it is undemocratic that such a small party could have such wide ranging negative consequences for the majority of the people in this country who did not vote for them.

Mc Love

https://twitter.com/podonovan/status/1273635053613076481?s=20

Cork Trucker

Anyone here that pro M20 that voted Green? They’ll be turfed out again just like 2011

serfboard

Reputable Rog wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/551655/breaking-green-party-say-limerick-to-cork-motorway-wont-go-ahead-within-five-years.html

From that article:

The project – which has been backed by the Limerick Chamber and businesses across the region – was due to go before An Bord Pleanala in 2023, with the road set to involve an upgrade of the existing N20 via Mallow and Charleville.

People here jumping up and down erroneously - the planning and all the other work necessary in getting this damn project shovel-ready will go ahead.

Limerick Green party TD Brian Leddin wrote:

It’s still in planning. It’s at a very early stage in planning. That will trundle on for the next few years. There are arguments for good inter-urban road connection between Cork and Limerick, there are good arguments. Whether they could be full scale motorway or not, that remains to be seen. It’s not going to be decided for a number of years yet.
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I can see the planning for it going ahead.

After the planning, you have the tender process which also takes time.

All of which means that this road is not going to start construction in the next five years, irrespective of whether the Greens are in government or not, depressing though it is to say that.

Realalemadrid

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Anyone here that pro M20 that voted Green? They’ll be turfed out again just like 2011

Brian Leddin in Limerick the only Green Party TD between Cork and Limerick. Marc O'Cathasaigh in Waterford - not a big issue there - unless they re-route the Motorway from Limerick to Waterford. Don't think they will be turfed out again at all - certainly not on the basis of this issue anyway.

Cork Trucker

Realalemadrid wrote: »

Brian Leddin in Limerick the only Green Party TD between Cork and Limerick. Marc O'Cathasaigh in Waterford - not a big issue there - unless they re-route the Motorway from Limerick to Waterford. Don't think they will be turfed out again at all.

That’s what they want, an M24. We’ll see what lessons they have learned, I can only see FF as an outside chance to vote against this deal for government.

Reputable Rog

Smyth flip flopping big time now on Twitter, the Greens really need some sort of filter before they open their mouths.

Mc Love

I voted Green

SeanW

Mc Love wrote: »

I voted Green

Why? :eek: They don't just want to kill people by cancelling all the motorways, they were instrumental in sabotaging the Southern part of the Dublin Metro!

Leonard Hofstadter

Could someone please ask these idiots how is it more environmentally friendly to make people travel an extra 78 km (as per Google maps) on a round trip between Limerick and Cork if their preferred option (M24 between Limerick and the M8) goes ahead?

Cosmo Kramer

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The Greens have said that no road project will be canned, but none will go to construction during the 5 year term of the government.

Unless I've missed a quote I don't think that's actually what's been said. The comments were specifically relating to the M20 and Galway bypass projects, not all roads.

I think it's clear that the M20 won't be built on the Green Party's watch. The fudge to get this through the new agreement seems to be that it was unlikely to commence in the next five years anyway and they won't necessarily prevent the planning works for the road being progressed.

But I think two things are clear:

1) Any prospects of the project being fast forwarded due to MM being Taoiseach are now out the window

2) If the road is to be built during the next government term (in theory 2025 to 2030) the Greens will need to be removed from office first.