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M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

BluntGuy · 2008-09-07 19:36:42

The new M20 motorway inbetween Cork and Limerick. I've heard that there are many people that feel it's rather unnecessary considering the traffic volume. I personally believe if they're going to upgrade the N20 route, they may as well use the safest long-term solution, which of course is a direct motorway link. But what do…

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#1742 07-07-2015 8:04pm
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Not a hope of this going ahead. Nothing but an election ploy.

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#1743 07-07-2015 9:25pm
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Reputable Rog wrote: »

It baffles me, issue a bond for €1 billion at less than 2% interest and be done with it.
What I derive from the article is that Pascwal wemains steadfastly opposed to the woads pwojects in the Cowk awea, with the exception of the M28 which the EU are demanding.

just because we can currently borrow cheaply, doesn't mean we are allowed to. We have a huge existing debt and have to stick to Eurozone guidelines. Nice work ridiculing his speech BTW.

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#1744 07-07-2015 9:32pm
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Reputable Rog wrote: »

It baffles me, issue a bond for €1 billion at less than 2% interest and be done with it.
What I derive from the article is that Pascwal wemains steadfastly opposed to the woads pwojects in the Cowk awea, with the exception of the M28 which the EU are demanding.

No need for that messing... its not like the man can help it...

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#1745 07-07-2015 10:55pm
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irishfeen wrote: »

No need for that messing... its not like the man can help it...

Well he could commit to restarting planning and all that kind of jazz for the M20, even if it was all systems go from tomorrow the €1 billion needed to build the road won't be required until 4-5 years. We won't have an M20 until more like 2025. The funding for getting the planning and all that legwork done is most certainly not going to contravene any rules on EU rules because it's so cheap to do.

The Echo article is certainly more positive about doing something for Cork and this badly needed motorway than anything before, but let's wait and see what the soon to be announced roads investment programme has to say.

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#1746 07-07-2015 11:44pm
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marno21 wrote: »

http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/minister-examining-road-projects-for-funds/

Nice to see the Echo regularly covering these issues regardless of the amount of fluff and bluster coming from the Minister

Where did that photo-montage of the Dunkettle junction come from?

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#1747 07-07-2015 11:56pm
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Reputable Rog wrote: »

It baffles me, issue a bond for €1 billion at less than 2% interest and be done with it.
What I derive from the article is that Pascwal wemains steadfastly opposed to the woads pwojects in the Cowk awea, with the exception of the M28 which the EU are demanding.

Infracted. Please acquaint yourself with the forum charter.

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#1748 08-07-2015 1:13pm
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Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Where did that photo-montage of the Dunkettle junction come from?

They have it designed ages at this stage.

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#1749 09-07-2015 12:51am
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spacetweek wrote: »

They have it designed ages at this stage.

Thanks! - but I was kinda hoping for a link

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#1750 09-07-2015 1:34am
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Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Thanks! - but I was kinda hoping for a link

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055546082

from page 15

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#1751 09-07-2015 1:56pm
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This article is front page of the Limerick Post today.

"AN AUSTRIAN civil engineer has submitted a proposal to the Department of Transport to build the long-awaited M20 motorway linking Limerick and Cork through an alternative public-private partnership (PPP) scheme that would not involve any initial costs to the State."

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#1752 09-07-2015 2:20pm
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kevin7 wrote: »

This article is front page of the Limerick Post today.

"AN AUSTRIAN civil engineer has submitted a proposal to the Department of Transport to build the long-awaited M20 motorway linking Limerick and Cork through an alternative public-private partnership (PPP) scheme that would not involve any initial costs to the State."

Would Senator Heffernan be running in the general election by any chance?

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#1753 09-07-2015 5:58pm
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kevin7 wrote: »

This article is front page of the Limerick Post today.

"AN AUSTRIAN civil engineer has submitted a proposal to the Department of Transport to build the long-awaited M20 motorway linking Limerick and Cork through an alternative public-private partnership (PPP) scheme that would not involve any initial costs to the State."

Tomorrow in the examiner , Croatian engineering firm submits proposals to build M20.

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#1754 09-07-2015 10:18pm
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touts wrote: »

Would Senator Heffernan be running in the general election by any chance?

Dunno, but which road project do the posters here reckon is more important (don't say "both" I'm looking for the priority ranking) -

The M28 + Dunkettle junction or the M20?

It seems to me that it is the former.

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#1755 09-07-2015 10:58pm
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Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Dunno, but which road project do the posters here reckon is more important (don't say "both" I'm looking for the priority ranking) -

The M28 + Dunkettle junction or the M20?

It seems to me that it is the former.

Depends which end of the N20 you live. Limerick end and you want the M20, Cork end and you want Dunkettle.

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#1756 09-07-2015 11:03pm
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Cookiemunster wrote: »

Depends which end of the N20 you live. Limerick end and you want the M20, Cork end and you want Dunkettle.

The benefits that would result from the M28 would generate enough money for the M20.

How the Cork politicians haven't delivered an M28 + Dunkettle yet the JHR got 2 bypasses in Co. Kerry is astounding

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#1757 10-07-2015 1:50pm
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kevin7 wrote: »

"AN AUSTRIAN civil engineer has submitted a proposal to the Department of Transport to build the long-awaited M20 motorway linking Limerick and Cork through an alternative public-private partnership (PPP) scheme that would not involve any initial costs to the State."

Just checking that everyone is aware that what is described there is completely illegal? EU rules prohibit gov contracts from being assigned without an auction.

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#1758 10-07-2015 1:50pm
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irishfeen wrote: »

No need for that messing... its not like the man can help it...

Just saw this:

Paschal Donohoe theems to thpeak alright to me!

Daffy Duck,
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#1759 10-07-2015 1:50pm
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marno21 wrote: »

yet the JHR got 2 bypasses in Co. Kerry is astounding

Yes and during the recession too!

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#1760 10-07-2015 2:36pm
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marno21 wrote: »

The benefits that would result from the M28 would generate enough money for the M20.

How the Cork politicians haven't delivered an M28 + Dunkettle yet the JHR got 2 bypasses in Co. Kerry is astounding

I don't think the cost of M28+ would have been doable when JHR got the (badly needed) Kerry roads, to be fair.

Though the M18 Ennis-Gort was started in the same period, so who knows?

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#1761 10-07-2015 3:16pm
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spacetweek wrote: »

Just checking that everyone is aware that what is described there is completely illegal? EU rules prohibit gov contracts from being assigned without an auction.

I predict a scathing press release before the election from Senator Heffernan complaining about EU regulation blocking his work to get the M20 built.

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#1762 10-07-2015 5:14pm
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touts wrote: »

I predict a scathing press release before the election from Senator Heffernan complaining about EU regulation blocking his work to get the M20 built.

So, Senator Heffernan has campaigned for us to exit the EU????

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#1763 10-07-2015 10:32pm
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Schadenfreudia wrote: »

So, Senator Heffernan has campaigned for us to exit the EU????

No. But he just promised the impossible and I am predicting that in a few months he will blame the EU for the impossible not coming about. It's about him getting front page headlines before the election. And I'll bet he won't be the only politician promising the M20 if only the people vote for him.

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#1764 11-07-2015 12:09am
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touts wrote: »

No. But he just promised the impossible and I am predicting that in a few months he will blame the EU for the impossible not coming about. It's about him getting front page headlines before the election. And I'll bet he won't be the only politician promising the M20 if only the people vote for him.

I wonder what the forthcoming roads and infrastructure programme will contain, perhaps it will say something about the M20 (not that I'm getting my hopes up, especially as the talk in the Examiner is about the N72 Mallow relief road). It would also have the advantage for the Government of them announcing something plus the fact that this Senator is ex-Labour and resigned from the party a few years ago (over what I have no idea) so they don't really want to be helping out former members above all else.

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#1765 11-07-2015 2:13am
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captainspeed wrote: »

I wonder what the forthcoming roads and infrastructure programme will contain, perhaps it will say something about the M20 (not that I'm getting my hopes up, especially as the talk in the Examiner is about the N72 Mallow relief road). It would also have the advantage for the Government of them announcing something plus the fact that this Senator is ex-Labour and resigned from the party a few years ago (over what I have no idea) so they don't really want to be helping out former members above all else.

Ideally a Cork centric programme. (M28/Dunkettle at least, N22 + M20/M40 hopefully)

Time for the roads out of Cork to look more like the roads out of Dublin rather than the steaming piles of shíte most of them are.

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#1766 12-07-2015 2:16am
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betistuc wrote: »

Just saw this:

Paschal Donohoe theems to thpeak alright to me!

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Abusing someone because of a speech impediment is not acceptable.

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#1767 12-07-2015 8:19pm
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Ireland's answer to 'national interurban primary route'

https://twitter.com/aaroadwatch/status/620247681923969024

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#1768 12-07-2015 10:44pm
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No different to the past few months. The roadworks in Buttevant were an absolute disaster.

If you're near the Dunkettle Interchange/South Ring Road it's faster to go to Limerick via Mitchelstown, and with Dunkettle highly likely to be made free-flow as part of the roads programme that's due to be announced soon, that advantage will only increase.

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#1769 12-07-2015 10:56pm
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captainspeed wrote: »

No different to the past few months. The roadworks in Buttevant were an absolute disaster.

If you're near the Dunkettle Interchange/South Ring Road it's faster to go to Limerick via Mitchelstown, and with Dunkettle highly likely to be made free-flow as part of the roads programme that's due to be announced soon, that advantage will only increase.

Even when going to UCC I use the M8 and R513. I'm young enough to have hair and I don't want to lose it all by having to pull it out suffering the frustration of the present N20.

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#1770 15-07-2015 12:42am
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marno21 wrote: »

Ireland's answer to 'national interurban primary route'

https://twitter.com/aaroadwatch/status/620247681923969024

Let's make that trip even longer......(we should aim for 4 hours between Mallow and Dooradoyle)

It is ridiculous.....Is there TD from Limerick feeling this pain - or are all concerns focussed on the Limerick to Dublin Road?:(

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#1771 15-07-2015 12:34pm
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Could the delay on the M20 have anything to do with tolling? If the M20 is built people from Cork can travel to Dublin via Limerick and avoid the toll at Watergrasshill. Also, people usng the R513/M8 route would switch back to the M20 meaning less tolls at Watergrasshill again. Would the government encur some penalty if tolling numbers drop at Watergrasshill?

i know this is pie in the sky stuff but it just occurred to me.

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